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    Quote Originally Posted by kidcudi92 View Post
    Snowball you used to be decent but you are a straight clown now

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    Why ? It's what he said. Did you read it ?
    This was PBS news. I didn't add anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Why ? It's what he said. Did you read it ?
    This was PBS news. I didn't add anything.
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    remain vigilant

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    Quote Originally Posted by b1slickguy View Post
    "...some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."
    yep, ol Wolfowitz wrote/said the same before neocons in conjunction with rogue elements of the cia and the isreal mossad decided to kill thousands of americans on 9-11....

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    good ol abc news:

    Were 1998 Memos a Blueprint for War?

    Years before George W. Bush entered the White House, and years before the Sept. 11 attacks set the direction of his presidency, a group of influential neo-conservatives hatched a plan to get Saddam Hussein out of power.

    The group, the Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, was founded in 1997. Among its supporters were three Republican former officials who were sitting out the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz.


    In open letters to Clinton and GOP congressional leaders the next year, the group called for "the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power" and a shift toward a more assertive U.S. policy in the Middle East, including the use of force if necessary to unseat Saddam.


    And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly, unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."


    That event came on Sept. 11, 2001. By that time, Cheney was vice president, Rumsfeld was secretary of defense, and Wolfowitz his deputy at the Pentagon.

    The next morning — before it was even clear who was behind the attacks — Rumsfeld insisted at a Cabinet meeting that Saddam's Iraq should be "a principal target of the first round of terrorism," according to Bob Woodward's book Bush At War.


    What started as a theory in 1997 was now on its way to becoming official U.S. foreign policy.


    Links to Bush Administration


    Some critics of the Bush administration's foreign policy, especially in Europe, have portrayed PNAC as, in the words of Scotland's Sunday Herald, "a secret blueprint for U.S. global domination."


    The group was never secret about its aims. In its 1998 open letter to Clinton, the group openly advocated unilateral U.S. action against Iraq because "we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition" to enforce the inspections regime.


    "The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power," they wrote, foreshadowing the debate currently under way in the United Nations.


    Of the 18 people who signed the letter, 10 are now in the Bush administration. As well as Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, they include Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage; John Bolton, who is undersecretary of state for disarmament; and Zalmay Khalilzad, the White House liaison to the Iraqi opposition. Other signatories include William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine, and Richard Perle, chairman of the advisory Defense Science Board.


    According to Kristol, the group's thinking stemmed from the principles of Ronald Reagan: "A strong America. A morally grounded foreign policy ... that defended American security and American interests. And understanding that American leadership was key to not only world stability, but any hope for spreading democracy and freedom around the world."


    Pushing for a More Assertive Foreign Policy


    After the 1991 Gulf War ended with Saddam still in position as a potential threat, Kristol told Nightline, he and the others had a sense that "lots of terrible things were really being loosed upon the world because America was being too timid, and too weak, and too unassertive in the post-Cold War era." In reports, speeches, papers and books, they pushed for an aggressive foreign policy to defend U.S. interests around the globe.


    Clinton did order airstrikes against Iraq in 1998, but through the rest of his presidency and the beginning of Bush's, America's "containment" policy for Saddam lay dormant — until September 2001.


    "Before 9/11, this group ... could not win over the president to this extravagant image of what foreign policy required," said Ian Lustick, a Middle East expert at the University of Pennsylvania. "After 9/11, it was able to benefit from the gigantic eruption of political capital, combined with the supply of military preponderance in the hands of the president. And this small group, therefore, was able to gain direct contact and even control, now, of the White House."


    Like other critics, Lustick paints PNAC in conspiratorial tones: "This group, what I call the tom-tom beaters, have set an agenda and have made the president feel that he has to live up to their definitions of manliness, their definitions of success and fear, their definitions of failure."


    Kristol dismisses the allegations of conspiracy, but said the group redoubled its efforts after 9/11 to get its message out. "We made it very public that we thought that one consequence the president should draw from 9/11 is that it was unacceptable to sit back and let either terrorist groups or dictators developing weapons of mass destruction strike first, at us," he said.


    Predicting Vindication


    Now that American bombs could soon be falling on Iraq, Kristol admits to feeling "some sense of responsibility" for pushing for a war that will cost human lives. But, he said, he would also feel responsible if "something terrible" happened because of U.S. inaction.


    Kristol expressed regret that so many of America's traditional allies oppose military action against Iraq, but said the United States has no choice. "I think what we've learned over the last 10 years is that America has to lead. Other countries won't act. They will follow us, but they won't do it on their own," he said.


    Kristol believes the United States will be "vindicated when we discover the weapons of mass destruction and when we liberate the people of Iraq." He predicts that many of the allies who have been reluctant to join the war effort would participate in efforts to rebuild and democratize Iraq.


    This report originally aired on Nightline on March 5, 2003.

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    little known fact was that neil bush firm was in charge of protecting those buildings

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidcudi92 View Post
    Snowball you used to be decent but you are a straight clown now

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    Quote Originally Posted by HurryUpAndDrink View Post
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    The only way you hate Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by HurryUpAndDrink View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubswin View Post
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    this ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericc View Post
    Obama's decision not to investigate the Bush administration looks worse now

    The investigations of closed investigations from the Obama years includes the DOJ looking into the Clinton Foundation, the Uranium One deal, etc. Which is another reminder of how naive it was for Dems in the early years of the Obama administration not to investigate the scandals of the Bush administration.Politically, taking the High Road is no longer reciprocated. We’re in all out partisan war at this point...

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    Come on man. That wasn't a warning it was just a common sense comment. Every time something major happens people tend to forget the petty fights and rally. All he was saying is it would be nice to do that on our own without it being because of a tragic event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSideBet View Post
    Come on man. That wasn't a warning it was just a common sense comment. Every time something major happens people tend to forget the petty fights and rally. All he was saying is it would be nice to do that on our own without it being because of a tragic event.
    or the only way the US enters a world war- innocent people have to be sacrificed to justify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico2663 View Post
    little known fact was that neil bush firm was in charge of protecting those buildings
    close, it was their brother Marvin Bush.

    and you know who was the FBI chief that covered it all up ?
    Yeah, he was appointed to take over the FBI 6 DAYS before 9.11




    look familiar ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOA12 View Post
    or the only way the US enters a world war- innocent people have to be sacrificed to justify it.
    Why would the US enter another World War? Today isn't like the old standoff days and troop buildups. I can definitely see a confrontation with North Korea this year but not a total nuke style event. Trump isn't the one trying to escalate it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubswin View Post
    The only way you hate Trump
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    3 or think he's hiding something cause you REAL AMERICANS seem to have very low standards when it comes to character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSideBet View Post
    Why would the US enter another World War? Today isn't like the old standoff days and troop buildups. I can definitely see a confrontation with North Korea this year but not a total nuke style event. Trump isn't the one trying to escalate it though.
    funny you say that. War is big business. Thought for sure cheney-bush gang had ww3 in mind(taking advantage of 911 and misleading the nation) and that accusation got me locked up for 8 days with a threat not to talk about this cause you struck a nerve with someone(CHENEY). Hope you are correct about the Right here, but seems to me don beats that war drum everyday and then his meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    close, it was their brother Marvin Bush.

    and you know who was the FBI chief that covered it all up ?
    Yeah, he was appointed to take over the FBI 6 DAYS before 9.11




    look familiar ?
    Can't wait for this memo to come out.. Mueler might even get exposed... Hillary and the DNC collusion appears to have gone very deep into the FBI and DOJ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOA12 View Post
    3 or think he's hiding something cause you REAL AMERICANS seem to have very low standards when it comes to character.
    You like that Real American term...smile..

    BkofAma, Trump made 23 policy proposals in the SOTU. During the campaign there was no doubt what Trump was going to do.

    I don't know of even 1 democrat policy they want to pass. Hilary did not even bother to have a plan to grow the economy or wages. She tried to sell we are fine at 1% growth and working fvccks are deplorable for wanting jobs and better wages.

    It's not about character. We(real americans lol) just proved we would rather have a guy with very little character who has a plan to make the country better than some elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBacon View Post
    You like that Real American term...smile..

    BkofAma, Trump made 23 policy proposals in the SOTU. During the campaign there was no doubt what Trump was going to do.

    I don't know of even 1 democrat policy they want to pass. Hilary did not even bother to have a plan to grow the economy or wages. She tried to sell we are fine at 1% growth and working fvccks are deplorable for wanting jobs and better wages.

    It's not about character. We(real americans lol) just proved we would rather have a guy with very little character who has a plan to make the country better than some elite.
    will stop using it as an insult,shows bad character. However,wish you guys could have picked someone better with very little character. bol roy

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    Who cares if you don't like Trump and his character, if he's doing a good job as President, helping the people and making America great then you should still be happy to have him as your President..

    It's just a job after all is said and done... Give me a President I really liked that does a bad job and I would not be happy... I kinda liked Bush Jr and Obama and thought they were good guys but both did a poor job...

    I even thought Nixon and Carter were sweat hearts but they sucked... GIVE US A WINNER AS PRES!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Who cares if you don't like Trump and his character, if he's doing a good job as President, helping the people and making America great then you should still be happy to have him as your President..

    It's just a job after all is said and done... Give me a President I really liked that does a bad job and I would not be happy... I kinda liked Bush Jr and Obama and thought they were good guys but both did a poor job...

    I even thought Nixon and Carter were sweat hearts but they sucked... GIVE US A WINNER AS PRES!!!!!
    jibby,would rather drink with you than talk politics.bol on the kind words for both sides

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOA12 View Post
    jibby,would rather drink with you than talk politics.bol on the kind words for both sides
    I'm a team player for America and I know both parties need to play ball together to get shit done.. Political hate and or political survival always comes first and not the America people unfortunately for the losing party..

    I'd love to see that change and see both parties working together to better America for a change.. Compromising and what not. America would then really prosper...

    Cheers bud!!



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