when will PINNACLE allow US betting???

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  • veriableodds
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 08-22-17
    • 5093

    #1
    when will PINNACLE allow US betting???
    with all the legalization going on why are they not in the us markets?? is it possible in near future??
    USA books penetrating player like hippos
  • Roger T. Bannon
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-28-18
    • 5139

    #2
    They will not allow it until they get legalized which will probably never happen. If 5Dimes gets in though, anything goes.
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    • Thrilla
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-10-15
      • 13809

      #3
      https://oddshero.io/en/blog/what-is-...iple%20bookies.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        They would get chewed alive usa like 5 Dimes would

        Men the 2 USA giants control everything , pinnacle like 5 dimes does not have the money even to market right

        Bet365 in NJ ready to close basically zero business
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        • Roger T. Bannon
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 06-28-18
          • 5139

          #5
          LOL. I guess that is why all these multi-billion acquisitions are taking place.
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          • veriableodds
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 08-22-17
            • 5093

            #6
            Originally posted by jjgold
            They would get chewed alive usa like 5 Dimes would

            Men the 2 USA giants control everything , pinnacle like 5 dimes does not have the money even to market right

            Bet365 in NJ ready to close basically zero business

            Yeah fine I get it. If they are going to rake ppl then offer incentive program for the avg guy(cash back, bonus, ect ect) really I don't care but run a good model so players feel appreciated
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            • Orbison
              SBR MVP
              • 09-07-20
              • 4691

              #7
              they already got out once
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              • Roger T. Bannon
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 06-28-18
                • 5139

                #8
                It's a process. First you get these kind of books and then you get bigger players and then you get a dominate player. These things take years to develop. It is happening amazingly fast.

                If you look back a 1.5 years ago, you would not believe you would be at this point.

                When you look back in 5 years, you will literally be in disbelief by what happened.
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                • RudyRuetigger
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 08-24-10
                  • 65084

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jjgold
                  They would get chewed alive usa like 5 Dimes would

                  Men the 2 USA giants control everything , pinnacle like 5 dimes does not have the money even to market right

                  Bet365 in NJ ready to close basically zero business
                  Oh wow


                  So what about 5dimes reasoning for leaving USA earlier?
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388179

                    #10
                    5 Dimes had to leave

                    They were facing numerous federal charges
                    You don’t just pay the federal government all that money for the hell of it

                    They bought their freedom which is cool


                    They will never be in a US market it’s impossible they could never pass background checks
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                    • Roger T. Bannon
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 06-28-18
                      • 5139

                      #11
                      Except for the fact that 5Dimes has an LLC in Delaware and is trying to get into the US.
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388179

                        #12
                        Delaware is one of the poorest states in the United States

                        DraftKings and Fandual advertise all over the world every single day and has hundred million customer base worldwide everything included it is impossible to even come close to them

                        Offshore Sportsbooks couldn’t afford the daily promotions and odds boost to even compete though they’re small


                        It’s not off shore guys with hardly any expenses do US is a different animal
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                        • Roger T. Bannon
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 06-28-18
                          • 5139

                          #13
                          All US corporations incorporate in Delaware because it has the least regulations for corporations. When you incorporate in Delaware, you are planning on conducting business as a corporation.
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                          • jjgold
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 07-20-05
                            • 388179

                            #14
                            Bannon

                            They could never get a license because of gaming control boards and links to crime/illegal activities will automatically eliminate them

                            When your booking USA residents offshore it’s illegal
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                            • Roger T. Bannon
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 06-28-18
                              • 5139

                              #15
                              It may be true but they are definitely going to try.
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388179

                                #16
                                I give them credit for trying and I’m glad they’re cleared It’s gonna be a struggle
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                                • Roger T. Bannon
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 06-28-18
                                  • 5139

                                  #17
                                  Nobody knows what 5Dimes knows. If they are trying, they have a chance.
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                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388179

                                    #18
                                    Roger Look at Bet365 they thought they were coming to New Jersey and dominate the market they were the most well-known book in the world and they got chewed a live last every single month in volume
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                                    • RudyRuetigger
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 08-24-10
                                      • 65084

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon
                                      Nobody knows what 5Dimes knows. If they are trying, they have a chance.
                                      where did you hear this delaware llc?
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                                      • Roger T. Bannon
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 06-28-18
                                        • 5139

                                        #20
                                        Bet365 got beat to the draw. 5Dimes is playing for much bigger stakes than Bet365. If they get in, they will own the state they get in fairly quickly and then they will move into other states because they will be legit. They only need their foot in the door.

                                        If you were paying attention, you'd see they are preparing for it.
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                                        • LongBall52
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 06-14-20
                                          • 1319

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                          where did you hear this delaware llc?
                                          I would also like to know, but the internet is the land of make believe.
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                                          • Roger T. Bannon
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 06-28-18
                                            • 5139

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                            where did you hear this delaware llc?
                                            PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- 5Dimes, a leading online gaming brand, entered into a settlement agreement with the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania (EDPA) that should make the Company eligible to apply to enter the legal, regulated U.S. gaming industry under a new corporate structure, free and clear of any restrictions on the use or transfer of its assets and in full compliance with U.S. law. A new corporate entity, 5D Americas LLC, has already been incorporated in the State of Delaware.
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                                            • RudyRuetigger
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 08-24-10
                                              • 65084

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon
                                              PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- 5Dimes, a leading online gaming brand, entered into a settlement agreement with the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania (EDPA) that should make the Company eligible to apply to enter the legal, regulated U.S. gaming industry under a new corporate structure, free and clear of any restrictions on the use or transfer of its assets and in full compliance with U.S. law. A new corporate entity, 5D Americas LLC, has already been incorporated in the State of Delaware.
                                              Thanks chief


                                              I knew all of the above except the last sentence
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                Its a massive long shot

                                                They are no
                                                where right now

                                                Might take 3 years
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                                                • icon
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-09-18
                                                  • 3466

                                                  #25
                                                  Pinnacle is the cats ass. For me its better than having Fanduel location at the casino.

                                                  Pinnacle payouts take minutes to a couple of hours to be received in my bank account via Interac E-Transfer.

                                                  Last time I took a payout at Pinny was on a Sunday afternoon a few weeks ago. Requested payout at 4pm and by 730 funds were deposited to my bank acct, no holds etc.

                                                  The only thing Pinnacle isnt best at is live betting on US sports, for soccer/futbol they are very good.
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                                                  • Roger T. Bannon
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 06-28-18
                                                    • 5139

                                                    #26
                                                    People have said a lot of things about US gambling. So far, they have been 100% wrong. I expect that to continue.
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                                                    • LongBall52
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 06-14-20
                                                      • 1319

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Roger T. Bannon
                                                      PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 30, 2020 /PRNewswire/ -- 5Dimes, a leading online gaming brand, entered into a settlement agreement with the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania (EDPA) that should make the Company eligible to apply to enter the legal, regulated U.S. gaming industry under a new corporate structure, free and clear of any restrictions on the use or transfer of its assets and in full compliance with U.S. law. A new corporate entity, 5D Americas LLC, has already been incorporated in the State of Delaware.
                                                      Appreciated !
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388179

                                                        #28
                                                        Take a look a this PA only

                                                        Offshore sportsbook could not afford this month of October just promo money

                                                        • FanDuel Sportsbook, $3.1 million
                                                        • DraftKings Sportsbook, $2.3 million
                                                        • Barstool Sportsbook, $1.8 million
                                                        • Unibet, $1.8 million
                                                        • BetRivers, $1 million combined
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                                                        • MUHerd37
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 10-23-09
                                                          • 12816

                                                          #29
                                                          Even barstool has a sportsbook now. Can't be that hard.
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                                                          • RudyRuetigger
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 08-24-10
                                                            • 65084

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by MUHerd37
                                                            Even barstool has a sportsbook now. Can't be that hard.
                                                            SBR should have a sportsbook

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                                                            • jjgold
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 07-20-05
                                                              • 388179

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by MUHerd37
                                                              Even barstool has a sportsbook now. Can't be that hard.
                                                              25 Million PAL PA fees /licensing, etc
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                                                              • Roger T. Bannon
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 06-28-18
                                                                • 5139

                                                                #32
                                                                Sportsbooks are going to give away promo money and lose money for years. That is part of the plan.
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                                                                • Roger T. Bannon
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 06-28-18
                                                                  • 5139

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by MUHerd37
                                                                  Even barstool has a sportsbook now. Can't be that hard.
                                                                  Even crazier. You cannot count out Barstool. They literally could become the dominant provider in the US. Probably some SBR non-PRO right now is going to pull this off in a few years.
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                                                                  • stake1
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 12-19-18
                                                                    • 18116

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Lots of rumors floating around. Market based income levels are a possibility in ‘21
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                                                                    • Roger T. Bannon
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 06-28-18
                                                                      • 5139

                                                                      #35
                                                                      What are market based income levels?
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