“LeBron is so easy to play. He is so f***ing easy to play. He has got no moves,” 🏀

[shadymcgrady]

Umm, read the first page of the thread, bill Russell was mentioned. As far as wilt goes he wasn't even the best big in his era. Russell dominated him when it mattered. 13 rings to one. Lol

Nvmnd, confusing this thread with the Jordan one. Russell was arguably the best ever, Jordan just happens to be in more lifetimes today. Wilt a goat? Alcindor was better than wilt and he not even mentioned

[milwaukee mike]

Umm, read the first page of the thread, bill Russell was mentioned. As far as wilt goes he wasn't even the best big in his era. Russell dominated him when it mattered. 13 rings to one. Lol

russell had 11 and wilt had 2

those russell celtics teams were all-star teams ... all 6 of the guys with 8+ championships were on those teams

[milwaukee mike]

put wilt on those celtics teams instead of russell, and the celtics still win every single one of those championships

just one of the many reasons it's goofy to compare players/championships/etc

[2daBank]

Lebron will destroy Dennis Rodman. Might make him cry but eventually Lebron would have broken through if he plays in that era, same was Jordan did eventually. Tackling guys mid air isn't basketball.

I think a lot of guys from this era would struggle but bron is the one I wouldn’t worry about at all!’ He as big and physical as anyone, I say he would adapt and thrive in a more physical brand of ball don’t you think? The biggest problem for him would be he a shitty ft shooter!!

On the defensive end bron would be a monster if he was allowed to hand check and get away with so much contact!! I’ve given bron plenty of grief I thought was well deserved at times in his career but sayin he wouldn’t have been able to handle the physical ball played in that era is ridiculous imo.

[2daBank]

russell had 11 and wilt had 2

those russell celtics teams were all-star teams ... all 6 of the guys with 8+ championships were on those teams

Any of the modern era bigs would have dominated in Russell’s spot.

[gauchojake]

Yes those are all true Jake but he's Jordan, unlimited free passes

When I was in college he used to come to SB and party and fukk coeds. He would get behind the bar and start pouring shots. It was hilarious. Unlimited free passes tho for sure

[milwaukee mike]

When I was in college he used to come to SB and party and fukk coeds. He would get behind the bar and start pouring shots. It was hilarious. Unlimited free passes tho for sure

weird wasn't it? i mean even at the time i heard stories that he was banned from the nba for 2 years for gambling... and yet no news media reported that, even though they all knew it

just like everyone knew about tiger woods and gave him all the free passes, even though there was even a "tiger room" at the orlando strip club lol

and the media gave lance armstrong all the free passes too... until he was too much of an arrogant prick to just ride into the sunset

[Hman]

russell had 11 and wilt had 2

those russell celtics teams were all-star teams ... all 6 of the guys with 8+ championships were on those teams

MM wasn't BOTH Russell and Wilt's competition primarily that too, not just as teammates?

That is the sole reason I never include those 2 in GOAT debates.

[milwaukee mike]

MM wasn't BOTH Russell and Wilt's competition primarily that too, not just as teammates?

That is the sole reason I never include those 2 in GOAT debates.

their competition was decent because there were only 8 teams for some of those russell championships (lol)

but there were really only a handful of really great players... there was no money in it

same reason there weren't a ton of great professional golfers before tiger woods... not enough money in it to make it a career choice for that many people, especially international

[stevenash]

Lebron would have held up fine in any era. He would have dished out a lot of pain too. Stronger than goofy Laimbeer and Mahorn.

Which is a major reason why Lebron is going to the Hall on the first ballot.
Physically he's a beast.
Even though God blessed him with a near perfect body the dude has serious work out habits and I've seen he dietary habits, he eats extremely healthy too. He doesn't take his health for granted.
Lebron has an extremely high basketball IQ as well.

Now having said that, he's never led the league in any category.
The only category he's led the NBA in is minutes played, which is testament to his work out and dietary habits.
He never dominated the league in shooting, rebounding, any of that stuff.

And he's not very clutch.
Now I'm the biggest analytical geek on these boards.
It's who I am, it's what I do.
I'm driven by numbers and statistics and all that geeky stuff, but you don't need hard core concrete tangible evidence to realize he's not very clutch.
Case in point, it was Ray Allen who hit the miracle three point shot with seconds left in game six of the finals against the Spurs.
It was Lebron who missed the game tying three point shot, it was Chris Bosh who tracked down the loose ball and had the presence of mind to pass it out to Ray Allen.

Now I am not suggesting James isn't an NBA great, he is, but he's not an *all time* NBA great.

[milwaukee mike]

Which is a major reason why Lebron is going to the Hall on the first ballot.
Physically he's a beast.
Even though God blessed him with a near perfect body the dude has serious work out habits and I've seen he dietary habits, he eats extremely healthy too. He doesn't take his health for granted.
Lebron has an extremely high basketball IQ as well.

Now having said that, he's never led the league in any category.
The only category he's led the NBA in is minutes played, which is testament to his work out and dietary habits.
He never dominated the league in shooting, rebounding, any of that stuff.

And he's not very clutch.
Now I'm the biggest analytical geek on these boards.
It's who I am, it's what I do.
I'm driven by numbers and statistics and all that geeky stuff, but you don't need hard core concrete tangible evidence to realize he's not very clutch.
Case in point, it was Ray Allen who hit the miracle three point shot with seconds left in game six of the finals against the Spurs.
It was Lebron who missed the game tying three point shot, it was Chris Bosh who tracked down the loose ball and had the presence of mind to pass it out to Ray Allen.

Now I am not suggesting James isn't an NBA great, he is, but he's not an *all time* NBA great.

good points nash

lebron would have 2 championships without that shot... and that's even with assembling freaking all-star teams around him

kobe has 5 championships... and 2 of those the next best player on his team was pau gasol

whatever happened to the kobe vs mj debate? i thought that held more merit, kobe wasn't a choker like lebron

[lakerboy]

Hman still all butthurt from Lebron telling him he’s too old to be begging for autographs.

Lebron would have held up fine in any era. He would have dished out a lot of pain too. Stronger than goofy Laimbeer and Mahorn.

Laimbeer and mahorn would have beat the shit out of LeBron. You miss the early part of James career? He was intimated easily. Those were different days. Physical violence was accepted.

[Hman]

whatever happened to the kobe vs mj debate? i thought that held more merit, kobe wasn't a choker like lebron

That's the same thing many current & former NBA stars question

[jjgold]

James a
Known pussy

[cybersharp]

Umm, read the first page of the thread, bill Russell was mentioned. As far as wilt goes he wasn't even the best big in his era. Russell dominated him when it mattered. 13 rings to one. Lol

Russell won 11 rings not 13. Wilt won TWO, not one.

And Russell NEVER dominated Wilt. Apparently you never saw any of those games; I didn't either.
But Wilt had some huge games against Bill Russell, but the Celtics almost always had a better
all-around TEAM. Wilt would routinely out-rebound Russell (nine rebounding titles) both in the
regular season AND the playoffs. He's light Russell up on offense too.

Chamberlain won two titles when the quality of his supporting cast improved. Those two teams
had won the most regular season games in history: 68-13 in 1967 and 69-13 in 1972.

Those records have since been eclipsed by the Warriors and Bulls....playing in a relatively
diluted 30-team league. Wilt's championships came when the NBA was a MUCH smaller
league, truly populated by the planet's best basketball players.

[PAULYPOKER]

One word.............

EVOLUTION......

End of thread.......

[Hman]

One word.............

EVOLUTION......

End of thread.......

Evolution takes thousands or millions of years.

Not 40

People like to use the bigger and faster athletes these days.

I think it's overrated.

There's more ppl, so more ppl playing sports & mindset on working out so maybe more fit.

But if there's truth to the argument, why are super fast guys still running 4.4's and very few 4.3's?

Why aren't guys running 4.0 flat now?

[gauchojake]

HMAN who is your favorite basketball player in today's game???

[PAULYPOKER]

Lol......

[Hman]

HMAN who is your favorite basketball player in today's game???

Honestly don't have one these days Jake.

I used to be die hard NBA and Magic fan.

The game has changed so much.

[Hman]

Lol......

I know what you meant though lol

[IBetYou]

Russell won 11 rings not 13. Wilt won TWO, not one.

And Russell NEVER dominated Wilt. Apparently you never saw any of those games; I didn't either.
But Wilt had some huge games against Bill Russell, but the Celtics almost always had a better
all-around TEAM. Wilt would routinely out-rebound Russell (nine rebounding titles) both in the
regular season AND the playoffs. He's light Russell up on offense too.

Chamberlain won two titles when the quality of his supporting cast improved. Those two teams
had won the most regular season games in history: 68-13 in 1967 and 69-13 in 1972.

Those records have since been eclipsed by the Warriors and Bulls....playing in a relatively
diluted 30-team league. Wilt's championships came when the NBA was a MUCH smaller
league, truly populated by the planet's best basketball players.

How many foreigners were there in the league back then? None! They got paid diddly squat. Wasn't around in the 60s but I'm guessing basketball was crap back then. Not to cause offense, but just think how many white Americans there were in the league then vs now. As pay goes up competition naturally follows.