We are tracking to 60K deaths by May 1st

[homie1975]

See 4:55 to the end of the video.
This isn't just a MN thing.
Italy "death toll" numbers are riddled with the same. Only 0.8% died of just COVID-19. 25% had 1 other condition, 25% had 2 conditions and 48% had 3 or more conditions, but they were all classified as deaths from COVID-19.

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain

if someone with stage 3 pancreatic cancer gets pneumonia and dies as a result of the pneumonia then that is what is listed on the death cert.

i spoke to two doctors i know very well.

go back and fix your tin foil hat, it's a little crooked.

[Chi_archie]

See 4:55 to the end of the video.
This isn't just a MN thing.
Italy "death toll" numbers are riddled with the same. Only 0.8% died of just COVID-19. 25% had 1 other condition, 25% had 2 conditions and 48% had 3 or more conditions, but they were all classified as deaths from COVID-19.

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark Twain

1 of the other things is High Blood Pressure.

that is about half of the adult population over the age of 50 in the US.

But the majority of those people will live for decades longer with medication

But if the catch Covid19 they might have as high as 6-12% of dying within a month

so it would be incorrect that these deaths are just people that are already lying in the hospital dying of something else and happen to catch covid19. these are people that prob make up the majority of posters here, who would consider themselves healthy as an ox

[homie1975]

if someone who has stage 3 pancreatic cancer gets the flu and dies, the flu is listed as the cause of death.

what do you think happened in 2016-17? do you think 80K people literally died of the flu? NO. they had pre-existing conditions or old age and the flu was the final straw.

come on man.

[homie1975]

I think Sweden is changing their mind. Their deaths compared to neighboring countries created an outcry from the public.

I think the real fear on either side is collapse of institutions and important people AND huge civil unrest and rebellion. If you do too much, there will be civil unrest if you do nothing there would be civil unrest. Its a very delicate balance in the middle that the leaders have to tight rope walk.


If we did nothing.

If we had let it go completely from the beginning, many rural and poor counties that already have much less doctors per capita and have less hospital avialability could see many Hospitals close up. They are already closing.

We could lose way to many doctors and nurses prematurely if we hadn't done social isolation to let our PPE supply chain catch up. If the big cities had a lax attitude about this from the beginning more people would travel in and out and the spread to all regions would increase and there will be no ventilators and other federal stockpiled items to send from areas like detroit, NYC, Chicago ect, because they'll still be using them.

local governments will crash and not be able to pay bills or workers. some hospital workers will get sick, die, some will walk off the job to protect themselves. Prob the same for essential workers and grocery stores.

eventually panic would set in as the numbers would have skyrocketed and irrational survivialism behavior would set in, and we would end up giving up some of our civil liberties as government was forced to intercede.

if we do too much, We either print too much money to prop people up and dig ourselves a hole of inflation that we can't dig out of and/or people start going crazy from lack of freedom and the very real threat of homelessness for peope and families, a fat ass nation faced with millions eating at bare substinence level or less would start to create irrational survivalism behavior and we would end up with civil liberties being infringed upon.

I don't think there are any easy answers.

but, timing is very crucial. If we open up things and the #s spike up in a few weeks, you know we'll see irrational panic and hysteria as well.

we have to remember how many of the countries 330+ million are complete dumbasses and can't be trusted to not do the dumbest things possible when face with even a tiny bit of struggle. I don't trust the spoiled dumbass millenials or Xienials to do the right thing here.

It's pretty complex and over my pay grade

I'd like to see an economical task force set up asap

Intellectual Archie
he is here to educate some of you no matter how badly you are trying to push his hand away that contains the brain food you so desperately need.

[homie1975]

1 of the other things is High Blood Pressure.

that is about half of the adult population over the age of 50 in the US.

But the majority of those people will live for decades longer with medication

But if the catch Covid19 they might have as high as 6-12% of dying within a month

so it would be incorrect that these deaths are just people that are already lying in the hospital dying of something else and happen to catch covid19. these are people that prob make up the majority of posters here, who would consider themselves healthy as an ox

it's a futile attempt but we keep fighting the good fight.

how long before a poster here is affected personally affected by severe COVID 19 hospitalization or death to a loved one? if it's a poster we might never know so it will have to be one of their loved ones or close friends.

hmmmmmmmm

[b1slickguy]

if someone with stage 3 pancreatic cancer gets pneumonia and dies as a result of the pneumonia then that is what is listed on the death cert.

i spoke to two doctors i know very well.

go back and fix your tin foil hat, it's a little crooked.

No tin foil hat here.
The CDC is telling the medical community that if someone has tested positive and dies to "assume" they died of COVID-19 without an autopsy. Just keep that death toll tally climbing to further incite fear and panic. Keep on trusting the media and the government. They ALWAYS tell the truth and are looking out for your best interest, safety and security.

[homie1975]

No tin foil hat here.
The CDC is telling the medical community that if someone has tested positive and dies to "assume" they died of COVID-19 without an autopsy. Just keep that death toll tally climbing to further incite fear and panic. Keep on trusting the media and the government. They ALWAYS tell the truth and are looking out for your best interest, safety and security.

just like they did with other recent pandemics like SARS, Swine Flu, and Ebola where we had massive mitigation like lockdowns and social distancing right?

oh wait, that did not happen then, so why is it happening now?

[goduke]

The US needs to do what Sweden’s doing...remember people life has a 100% death rate. Don’t be afraid to die...be afraid to live like you are dead.

People complain about the government but they are fine with being controlled by them....pathetic

What if you have a family? Should you just not be afraid to die and then you die and leave a wife and kids with no husband and no father because you wanted to show the government who was boss? Would you continue showing them from the grave. Obviously you must not have anyone to care for or anyone that cares for you? What’s that like? Everyone is able to be that tough guy when they don’t have it or they are healthy. Never would be the same reaction if you were in the hospital ready to die and leaving people you care about behind at an early age. But that’s ok because you didn’t let the government ask you to stay inside. Then you would then just be a tallied mark for SBR members to compare whether or not the government was controlling them. What a result

[homie1975]

Will slow down considerably

we are already at 1300 cases and it's only 1:15 pm eastern time.

two comments:

1) this is God Phukking Awful

2) anyone who thinks this will "slow down considerably" over the next month is in La-La land. pure and simple.


God or Universe or Someone please help us.

[unde0087]

Chi, how much they paying you to write novels about the dangers over covid? I can't believe this shit

[jjgold]

I do not think enough people are listening to the quarantines