Stimulus

TommieGunshot · 03-29-20, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Golden fleece

lets not act like there is a playbook out for all this. no one has ever seen anything like this in their lifetime

That’s the exact problem we’re facing. Instead of putting America first and fixing the problem, Trump and his supporters are putting socialism and big government above the people.

Golden fleece · 03-29-20, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by TommieGunshot

That’s the exact problem we’re facing. Instead of putting America first and fixing the problem, Trump and his supporters are putting socialism and big government above the people.

i dunno about that. at one point i heard it was just going to be a trillion and then the dems rejected that one.... got thier paws on it added green new deals and other reach around favors for their agenda and now its 2.2 trillion. i dont see trump and "his supporters" to blane for that.....

TommieGunshot · 03-29-20, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by JayLA

well, speaking for myself, I'm way too selfish to follow that kind of thinking. If I could live on a acreage with just my family and pay no taxes, I would. Lots of guns too.

You can get very close to that right now. Two acres an hour or two from Las Vegas is only about $800 to $1000 per year in taxes. Further away from metro areas in states with lower property taxes could be half that. Bernie (like Trump, Hilary, and Obama) has no plans to change that.

pavyracer · 03-29-20, 11:45 AM

Bernie Sanders may be the one who saves this country with his ideas instead of Trump. There is a lot of Bernie in this stimulus bill.

Golden fleece · 03-29-20, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Bernie Sanders may be the one who saves this country with his ideas instead of Trump. There is a lot of Bernie in this stimulus bill.

that was my point in starting this thread

why is he being locked out by the dems to run? im not sure i get it....

Sam Odom · 03-29-20, 11:46 AM

US House of Representatives has the “power of the purse,” the ability to tax and spend public money for the national government.

Dems control the House

Golden fleece · 03-29-20, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Bernie Sanders may be the one who saves this country with his ideas instead of Trump. There is a lot of Bernie in this stimulus bill.

his ideas have always been too extreme by both left and right and now we are going to do them anyways

TommieGunshot · 03-29-20, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Golden fleece

i dunno about that. at one point i heard it was just going to be a trillion and then the dems rejected that one.... got thier paws on it added green new deals and other reach around favors for their agenda and now its 2.2 trillion. i dont see trump and "his supporters" to blane for that.....

Democrats only have a majority in the house, Republicans have a majority in the senate and Trump is the one who signed it into law. Had he not done that, it would have gone back to the senate. There has never been anywhere close to 20 Republican senators to go against Trump.

The elections to put these people in Washington were supposed to have consequences. The only consequence has been giving Trump the power to push his socialism on us. But that's exactly what all the liberals meant when they were screaming Make America Great Again.

BOA12 · 03-29-20, 11:55 AM

How about IKE'S words on governments duty and dire warning? Could be offenses to Elitist.

TommieGunshot · 03-29-20, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

US House of Representatives has the “power of the purse,” the ability to tax and spend public money for the national government.

Dems control the House

Great point. Even the Trump Tax Cuts were really just Democrat Tax Cuts.

BOA12 · 03-29-20, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by TommieGunshot

Democrats only have a majority in the house, Republicans have a majority in the senate and Trump is the one who signed it into law. Had he not done that, it would have gone back to the senate. There has never been anywhere close to 20 Republican senators to go against Trump.

The elections to put these people in Washington were supposed to have consequences. The only consequence has been giving Trump the power to push his socialism on us. But that's exactly what all the liberals meant when they were screaming Make America Great Again.

Never uttered those words, since it's a lie in premise. All you MAGA screaming liberals, you need help.

Sam Odom · 03-29-20, 11:58 AM

Tommie... it is what it is Constitutionally

But then you have the SPIN

Golden fleece · 03-29-20, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by TommieGunshot

Democrats only have a majority in the house, Republicans have a majority in the senate and Trump is the one who signed it into law. Had he not done that, it would have gone back to the senate. There has never been anywhere close to 20 Republican senators to go against Trump.

The elections to put these people in Washington were supposed to have consequences. The only consequence has been giving Trump the power to push his socialism on us. But that's exactly what all the liberals meant when they were screaming Make America Great Again.

ok... so let me get this straight....

joe biden and his lost in the dessert supporters are the last and only hope for western civilization as we know it??

oh... wait

TommieGunshot · 03-29-20, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Golden fleece

ok... so let me get this straight....

joe biden and his lost in the dessert supporters are the last and only hope for western civilization as we know it??

Now that Trump has shown he has no problem throwing the entire country under the bus of socialism, what hope is there for any of us?

goduke · 03-29-20, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Golden fleece

i dunno about that. at one point i heard it was just going to be a trillion and then the dems rejected that one.... got thier paws on it added green new deals and other reach around favors for their agenda and now its 2.2 trillion. i dont see trump and "his supporters" to blane for that.....

The only green deal was 25 million for the Kennedy arts center I believe which is pennies considering. The big addition was the unemployment bump of 600 for each person but if you don’t do something when you call it a stimulus for the people in which only some get a 1200 dollar check and 500 billion goes to support companies that were fiscally irresponsible then the whole bill is kind of a lie from the get go.
Overall I think the whole bill is trash both sides. I don’t think you should help companies out that can’t handle their finances. Make them file bankruptcy like any other person would have to do in this situation or have them figure it out. And I don’t think that it should be allowed to not have transparency on who is taking the 500 billion bailout which I heard Trump say he was going to not allow the oversight
I don’t think 1200 dollars to some people does anything especially considering most people won’t see that money for weeks. By that time many have figured it out.
I think the 600 bump in unemployment is going to be a deterrent for people to look for jobs till after that expires.
Overall we are all to blame though. We fight amongst each other choosing one side of the other and we continue to not put blame on who we elect. Many just circle a box for 99 percent of the people they vote for without any real basis. In the end we are continuing to put future generations in a world of hurt and people’s selfishness above all. It’s a sad sight

ace7550 · 03-29-20, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Golden fleece

that was my point in starting this thread

why is he being locked out by the dems to run? im not sure i get it....

Cuz he doesn't take money.
PS I'm not a Bernie supporter.

Golden fleece · 03-29-20, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by goduke

The only green deal was 25 million for the Kennedy arts center I believe which is pennies considering. The big addition was the unemployment bump of 600 for each person but if you don’t do something when you call it a stimulus for the people in which only some get a 1200 dollar check and 500 billion goes to support companies that were fiscally irresponsible then the whole bill is kind of a lie from the get go.
Overall I think the whole bill is trash both sides. I don’t think you should help companies out that can’t handle their finances. Make them file bankruptcy like any other person would have to do in this situation or have them figure it out. And I don’t think that it should be allowed to not have transparency on who is taking the 500 billion bailout which I heard Trump say he was going to not allow the oversight
I don’t think 1200 dollars to some people does anything especially considering most people won’t see that money for weeks. By that time many have figured it out.
I think the 600 bump in unemployment is going to be a deterrent for people to look for jobs till after that expires.
Overall we are all to blame though. We fight amongst each other choosing one side of the other and we continue to not put blame on who we elect. Many just circle a box for 99 percent of the people they vote for without any real basis. In the end we are continuing to put future generations in a world of hurt and people’s selfishness above all. It’s a sad sight

yeah i hear ya'. i have a feelin we're all gonna pay for this big time one way or another.....