Democratic Convention Live Thread

[grease lightnin]

I think what she was saying is that she didn't realize she was sending classified info.

Which IMO denotes ignorance and negligence. Which is damn near as bad as malfeasance when it concerns a fukking Secretary of State, or potential POTUS.

[The Kraken]

Thursday, August 4

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton	NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	Clinton 47, Trump 38	Clinton +9
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton	McClatchy/Marist	Clinton 48, Trump 33	Clinton +15
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton	Reuters/Ipsos	Clinton 43, Trump 39	Clinton +4
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton	LA Times/USC	Clinton 45, Trump 44	Clinton +1
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein	NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	Clinton 43, Trump 34, Johnson 10, Stein 5	Clinton +9
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein	McClatchy/Marist	Clinton 45, Trump 31, Johnson 10, Stein 6	Clinton +14
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein	Rasmussen Reports	Clinton 44, Trump 40, Johnson 6, Stein 3	Clinton +4
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein	Reuters/Ipsos	Clinton 42, Trump 38, Johnson 6, Stein 2	Clinton +4
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton	Suffolk University	Clinton 48, Trump 42	Clinton +6
Florida: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein	Suffolk University	Clinton 43, Trump 39, Johnson 4, Stein 3	Clinton +4
Michigan: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein	Detroit News/WDIV-TV	Clinton 41, Trump 32, Johnson 8, Stein 3	Clinton +9
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton	Franklin & Marshall	Clinton 49, Trump 38	Clinton +11
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein	Franklin & Marshall	Clinton 47, Trump 34, Johnson 7, Stein 3	Clinton +13
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Clinton	WBUR/MassINC	Clinton 51, Trump 34	Clinton +17
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein	WBUR/MassINC	Clinton 47, Trump 32, Johnson 8, Stein 3	Clinton +15

[brainfreeze]

+4 ? shouldn't be .... Sounds more realistic then 11 or 17 though...

trump in a landslide ..

[The Kraken]

+4 ? shouldn't be .... Sounds more realistic then 11 or 17 though...

trump in a landslide ..

Trump doesn't lead in a single poll, Trump is in a death spiral and is losing ground by the day, Trump is losing more and more support from within his own party EVERY SINGLE DAY

And Brainfreeze declares a LANDSLIDE VICTORY

Great logic

Serious question, after Trump either drops out before or loses the general election, will you please not only admit that you were wrong but that you were also being an idiot???

Anything short of admitting both is you being dishonest and means you can't be trusted

[The Kraken]

Trump in a LANDSLIDE!!!!

"In terms of demographics, the NBC/WSJ poll found Clinton beating Trump by wide margins with women (51-35), young voters (46-34), white voters with a college degree (47-40), and all non-white voters (69-17). By far the starkest contrast in support was seen among African-American voters, only 1 percent of whom favored Trump compared with 91 percent for Clinton. And among the groups that did favor the Republican nominee in the poll, his advantage over Clinton was much smaller."

[grease lightnin]

A poll came out today that had Trump in 4th behind Johnson and Stein.

[ACoochy]

A poll came out today that had Trump in 4th behind Johnson and Stein.

That's what happens when the campaign becomes focused on the state of your own mental health

[The Kraken]

A poll came out today that had Trump in 4th behind Johnson and Stein.

Stop it

[The Kraken]

A poll came out today that had Trump in 4th behind Johnson and Stein.

"Trump in a LANDSLIDE"

-Prof. BrainFreeze

[Grits n' Gravy]

Lot of time between now and November. If the 2 shit heads are still running they will both go up and down in polls depending on news cycle. No reason to celebrate or panic for either group with all of the crap still to come out about each candidate.

[brainfreeze]

Trump doesn't lead in a single poll, Trump is in a death spiral and is losing ground by the day, Trump is losing more and more support from within his own party EVERY SINGLE DAY

And Brainfreeze declares a LANDSLIDE VICTORY

Great logic

Serious question, after Trump either drops out before or loses the general election, will you please not only admit that you were wrong but that you were also being an idiot???

Anything short of admitting both is you being dishonest and means you can't be trusted

You mad bro?


people know how dishonest hillary is, all Bernie supporters won't vote for her, people are waking up, and figuring out the fraud ...EVERY SINGLE DAY,

and yes, after debates & new emails that assange says " is enough to indicte the witch " ... A AVALANCHE SLIDE..

and no, why would I call myself an idiot , I'd just think the country wants to die.. Up to the people, my assumption leads me to believe they want to live.

[grease lightnin]

Stop it

Young voters poll

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/05/a-new-poll-has-donald-trump-in-fourth-place-behind-hillary-clinton-gary-johnson-and-jill-stein-with-young-people/

[rkelly110]

You mad bro?


people know how dishonest hillary is, all Bernie supporters won't vote for her, people are waking up, and figuring out the fraud ...EVERY SINGLE DAY,

and yes, after debates & new emails that assange says " is enough to indicte the witch " ... A AVALANCHE SLIDE..

and no, why would I call myself an idiot , I'd just think the country wants to die.. Up to the people, my assumption leads me to believe they want to live.

Those were my thought exactly during the last two midterms when the house and senate gained control by Repubs.

Proof is in the pudding. Reward laziness, you get more laziness. 8 years of stone walling and bitching.

Trump's own party hates his guts. We already know they won't work with Hillary. Guess what, they won't
work with Trump either.

What do you do? Vote out the lazy ass incumbents.

[brainfreeze]

Those were my thought exactly during the last two midterms when the house and senate gained control by Repubs.

Proof is in the pudding. Reward laziness, you get more laziness. 8 years of stone walling and bitching.

Trump's own party hates his guts. We already know they won't work with Hillary. Guess what, they won't
work with Trump either.

What do you do? Vote out the lazy ass incumbents.

Agreed..

I'm sick of all of them... And their crap policy's and acts .. " patriot act " ... Both sides are like that of pure zika mosquitos, the closest thing to real though... Would be trump.

[chico2663]

Those were my thought exactly during the last two midterms when the house and senate gained control by Repubs.

Proof is in the pudding. Reward laziness, you get more laziness. 8 years of stone walling and bitching.

Trump's own party hates his guts. We already know they won't work with Hillary. Guess what, they won't
work with Trump either.

What do you do? Vote out the lazy ass incumbents.

Trump is nothing more than the rejection of the policies of the tea party. As my mother likes to say if you don't feed your dog then you become his first meal.

[ACoochy]

"Trump in a LANDSLIDE"

-Prof. BrainFreeze

[chico2663]

I have a better chance of sam kinneson being my best man than a trump victory.

[Bostongambler]

Chico where do u reside?

[Itsamazing777]

There are also polls showing him 3 points behind with a 3 point margin of error as well.

No reason to celebrate anything for either side yet

[chico2663]

Chico where do u reside?

I was born in texas and now am in houston but grew up in hamilton ohio and then lived in cincinnati.Huge families on both sides.

[chico2663]

I was wondering where Brooksie went after the bet down Kracken put on him. But I found his beach picture,

[chico2663]

[brainfreeze]

1 in 3 Americans sent to collections (in debt). http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/29/pf/d...ons/index.html .... Yea, who's the one said the country is doing good? It's doing anything but good... We are failing in every category, most prosperous nope, best educated nope, most secure nope again, corruption running rampant, catering for the lawless, giving temporary citizenship, maybe 20 year visas lol..

yea we are doing Tony the Tiger grrrrrreat!

[d2bets]

1 in 3 Americans sent to collections (in debt). http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/29/pf/d...ons/index.html .... Yea, who's the one said the country is doing good? It's doing anything but good... We are failing in every category, most prosperous nope, best educated nope, most secure nope again, corruption running rampant, catering for the lawless, giving temporary citizenship, maybe 20 year visas lol..

yea we are doing Tony the Tiger grrrrrreat!

And if I could start anew and live anywhere, all things equal, it would be......right here in the U.S. As long as Trump doesn't get elected.

There is always going to be bad shit. Always has been, always will be.

[Roadtrip635]

Trump in a LANDSLIDE!!!!

"In terms of demographics, the NBC/WSJ poll found Clinton beating Trump by wide margins with women (51-35), young voters (46-34), white voters with a college degree (47-40), and all non-white voters (69-17). By far the starkest contrast in support was seen among African-American voters, only 1 percent of whom favored Trump compared with 91 percent for Clinton. And among the groups that did favor the Republican nominee in the poll, his advantage over Clinton was much smaller."

What's particularly sad is ex-KKK Grand Wizard, David Duke has more support from black voters than Trump does.

[ACoochy]

What's particularly sad is ex-KKK Grand Wizard, David Duke has more support from black voters than Trump does.

[The Kraken]

David Duke for Pres 2016

In a LANDSLIDE

[jjgold]

[chico2663]

[rkelly110]

A subtle hint of "those who yell the loudest are the most guilty?"

You bet.

[Russian Rocket]

Clinton's 'Moscow Spring' ended as Putin returned to power



WASHINGTON (AP) — As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton basked in a diplomatic "Moscow Spring," seizing on Vladimir Putin's break from the presidency to help seal a nuclear arms-control treaty and secure Russia's acquiescence to a NATO-led military intervention in Libya. But when Putin returned to the top job, things changed.

Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, has vowed to stand up to Putin if elected, drawing on her four years of ups and downs as the public face of President Barack Obama's first-term "reset" with Russia. By comparison, her Republican opponent, Donald Trump, has rung alarm bells in Washington and Europe with his overtures to the authoritarian Russian leader.
But Clinton's wrangles with Russia led to mixed results. And her fortunes dipped dramatically after Putin replaced Dmitry Medvedev as president in May 2012.
Just weeks later, Russia outmaneuvered her in negotiations over a complicated Syria peace plan, dealing her what was arguably her worst diplomatic defeat. While Clinton hailed it as a triumph, the war only escalated. And while her aides still insist she came out on top, the blueprint effectively gave Syria's Moscow-backed president, Bashar Assad, a veto over any transition government, hampering all mediation efforts still.
"There is no doubt that when Putin came back in and said he was going to be president, that did change the relationship," Clinton said in a Democratic debate last year. "We have to stand up to his bullying and specifically, in Syria it is important."
Clinton's history with Russia is significant given the surprising role Russia has played in the U.S. presidential campaign.
Clinton and her supporters say she would be far tougher on Moscow than Trump, whose unusual foreign policy statements include musings about NATO's relevance and suggestions that he could accept Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region. Russia's reported hacking of Democratic Party email accounts also has led to charges that Putin's intelligence services are meddling in the election, and Trump aided that perception by publicly encouraging Russia to find and release more of her emails.
Clinton's first encounters in Russian diplomacy began on much more hopeful note. Meeting Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in 2009, Clinton initiated the effort to repair years of bitter relations, punctuated by a Russian war with neighboring Georgia a year earlier. Offering a large red reset button, Clinton outlined a broad agenda of cooperation.
The new policy paid dividends.
With Putin focused on domestic matters during a four-year stint as prime minister, Medvedev opened up a new corridor for U.S. forces and materiel heading to Afghanistan. The two nations sealed their most ambitious arms control pact in a generation. Washington and Moscow united on new Iran sanctions. Years of trade negotiations culminated in Russia's entry into the World Trade Organization.
But it was perhaps Clinton's unlikeliest diplomatic breakthrough that began the downward spiral: Libya.
As America's European allies sought a military intervention against Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, Clinton played the role of skeptic, refusing to jump aboard. When she finally did, it proved critical in persuading Russia to abstain. The rebels overthrew Gadhafi five months later.
Returning as president in May 2012, Putin was immediately confronted with Syria's Libya-like escalation from Arab Spring protests to full-scale civil war. He played his cards differently than Medvedev, hinting to Obama that he could drop his support for the Syrian leader while shielding Assad from any U.N. pressure or foreign action that might chase him from power.
Seeking Russia's cooperation, Obama and Clinton avoided any talk that might threaten Russian equities in Syria, including a large naval base there. Their message was clear: The U.S. wouldn't try to pull a future post-Assad government out of Moscow's orbit.
It didn't matter. When the U.N. proposed a peace plan that involved ushering Assad out of power and included penalties for noncompliance, the Russians balked. Faced with stalemate, the U.S. and Russia arrived at a formula for a new government comprised of individuals chosen by the "mutual consent" of Assad and the opposition.
Although Clinton claimed credit for the June 30, 2012, compromise in Geneva, it appeared to be Russia's objective all along.
Assad is still president.
Clinton has acknowledged her frustration with an increasingly hostile Russia on Syria and other matters as her time in office wound down.
In her final months, Russia ordered the end of all U.S. Agency for International Development programs in the country. It approved a new law constraining the work of Russian and foreign non-governmental organizations. It banned U.S. adoptions of Russian children.
In December 2012, Clinton accused Putin of trying to "re-Sovietize" its region. And just before leaving, she wrote a memo to Obama urging him to finally suspend a reset that ended once and for all with Russia's military incursions in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea in 2014 — well after Clinton had left government.
"Strength and resolve were the only language Putin would understand," Clinton wrote in her memoir "Hard Choices," published shortly afterward.
It's a lesson she could say she learned firsthand.

[Itsamazing777]

So she hasn't given weapon deals to countries that donate to her foundation?

Yes or no?

Clueless....

[chico2663]

Find it ironic that on face the nation Sen. cotton said that they paid iran in other currency than dollars. Did he forget that he help passed legislation that stated that no nation could pay iran in dollars. He also made a false claim that hillary talked about the scientest that iran just executed. If that was the case it would already be announced. I wonder if they realize that if hillary gets kicked out joe biden becomes the nominee. There isn't anyone that the right could run that would beat him!

[rkelly110]

So she hasn't given weapon deals to countries that donate to her foundation?

Yes or no?

Clueless....

You know her and Bill's foundation were started AFTER she was SOS, right? She had no power to authorize weapons deals.

[Russian Rocket]

Find it ironic that on face the nation Sen. cotton said that they paid iran in other currency than dollars. Did he forget that he help passed legislation that stated that no nation could pay iran in dollars. He also made a false claim that hillary talked about the scientest that iran just executed. If that was the case it would already be announced. I wonder if they realize that if hillary gets kicked out joe biden becomes the nominee. There isn't anyone that the right could run that would beat him!

Amiri's case indirectly found its way back into the spotlight in the U.S. last year with the release of emails sent by U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton while she served as secretary of state. The release of those emails came amid criticism of Clinton's use of a private account and server that has persisted into her campaign against Republican candidate Donald Trump.
An email forwarded to Clinton by senior adviser Jake Sullivan on July 5, 2010, appears to reference Amiri.
"We have a diplomatic, `psychological' issue, not a legal one. Our friend has to be given a way out," the email by Richard Morningstar, a former State Department special envoy for Eurasian energy, read. "We should recognize his concerns and frame it in terms of a misunderstanding with no malevolent intent and that we will make sure there is no recurrence.
"Our person won't be able to do anything anyway. If he has to leave so be it."
Another email, sent July 12, 2010 by Sullivan, appears to obliquely refer to the scientist just before his story became widely known.
"The gentleman ... has apparently gone to his country's interests section because he is unhappy with how much time it has taken to facilitate his departure," Sullivan wrote. "This could lead to problematic news stories in the next 24 hours.