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  • KVB
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 05-29-14
    • 74817

    #1
    He even bet the Hawaii game...
    But he didn’t pick Hawaii. The line is relatively sharp as I have Hawaii winning by about 9 points with a score in the mid 70’s. Other forecasts have Hawaii winning by as many as 11 points. A less sophisticated, more average line gives Hawaii a 7 to 8 point nod. Not surprisingly, this line opened around 7 and has moved toward my forecast of 9 points to about 8.5.

    Before moving upward the line ticked downward. I believe this was done in manipulation in order to gain a better number to hit the favorite. At 8.5 we may have gone too far.

    So as the line has sharpened and those bettors have gotten their share of the favorite there has also been steam and hype, yet we are only at -8.5.

    The reason those manipulators were willing to take only a half point off of 7 to 6.5 before pounding upward was because they knew they had a small window. I believe my line is sharp at 9 points and that those groups know it.
    At - 8.5 some influential groups will no longer be interested and these bettors are going to pass. Yet the public still wants a piece of Hawaii. This line doesn’t move upward at this point, I believe based on other metrics, that the books like the action they are getting.

    In an appreciation for the tight window I recognize and see in the market, I have countered the late steam and hype movements and have picked up California State Long Beach 49ers +8.5 (-107) over Hawaii Rainbow Warriors.

    Good Luck.

  • FlipsideRM
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-28-11
    • 10518

    #2
    Which team has the cuter ball handlers KVB? This is very pertenant info with such a tight spread
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    • KVB
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 05-29-14
      • 74817

      #3
      Well...

      Hawaii will be fielding this team tonight...

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      • KVB
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 05-29-14
        • 74817

        #4
        And here's the Long Beach dance team...

        Need I say more?

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        • KVB
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 05-29-14
          • 74817

          #5
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          • FlipsideRM
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 09-28-11
            • 10518

            #6
            I'm on it
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388179

              #7
              Good analysis
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              • KVB
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 05-29-14
                • 74817

                #8
                A price change on the 8.5 doesn't favor me, but favors my reasoning. After all, this was a bit of a contrarian play.

                The prices have changed reflecting pressure on the favorite. Like I said...

                Originally posted by KVB
                ...Yet the public still wants a piece of Hawaii. This line doesn’t move upward at this point...
                Line still holding on 8.5 regardless of the price. Pinnacle at -102 and Heritage showing -105 are good prices for this +8.5.

                I think +8.5 at plus prices would get me into the play again.

                Let's see if it hits 9.


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                • Wallnuts
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 10-28-15
                  • 204

                  #9
                  Originally posted by KVB
                  Well...

                  Hawaii will be fielding this team tonight...

                  number 1 would get the Wallnuts, I tell ya what
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                  • KVB
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 05-29-14
                    • 74817

                    #10
                    Careful...lol...ages not verified.

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                    • DrunkHorseplayer
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 05-15-10
                      • 7719

                      #11
                      If you believe a 9 pt. line is sharp, you shouldn't be taking 8.5.
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                      • KVB
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 05-29-14
                        • 74817

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
                        If you believe a 9 pt. line is sharp, you shouldn't be taking 8.5.
                        Like I said it was bit of a contrarian play and, believe it or not, almost finished that senentence with "or better put, a play that would normally be pass."

                        Instead, I am using a bit of market analysis to sniff out some of the give and take of the markets. Not every type of bettor always wins or loses, and there are reasons for that.

                        In my market analysis sometimes we battle the books, and sometimes the players.

                        Also, my decision includes behavior in the markets in general, leading up to this game.

                        The CFL thread gives a much better explanation as to the type of trading happening here. Win or lose, "sharp" players can be on both sides of a game.


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                        • KVB
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 05-29-14
                          • 74817

                          #13
                          My line is sharp enough to bring profit and my trading enhances that profit.

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                          • mohye1980
                            Restricted User
                            • 01-25-14
                            • 2363

                            #14
                            Hawaii wins by double digits. Not easy to play in Hawaii. And they have a talented team this year.
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                            • KVB
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 05-29-14
                              • 74817

                              #15
                              They very well could. The money that lifted the line form 6.5 to 8.5 wasn't just locals. It was market moving money for sure.
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                              • tony_come
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-31-10
                                • 21695

                                #16
                                Last $25

                                What's the play
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                                • KVB
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 05-29-14
                                  • 74817

                                  #17
                                  The play is in bold or pass tony.

                                  If you take Hawaii and it ends an 8 point game you will not be pleased.
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                                  • tony_come
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 03-31-10
                                    • 21695

                                    #18
                                    Thanks
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                                    • mohye1980
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 01-25-14
                                      • 2363

                                      #19
                                      Good call kvb. Hawaii shitted I their beds. They aren't at the game.
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                                      • KVB
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 05-29-14
                                        • 74817

                                        #20
                                        Many of you know I hate to have the lead early but at least LB came to play.

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                                        • sweethook
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 11-21-07
                                          • 12667

                                          #21
                                          good dope days game . be happy
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                                          • KVB
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 05-29-14
                                            • 74817

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jjgold
                                            Good analysis
                                            Analysis you can't find anywhere else in the world.

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                                            • jjgold
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 07-20-05
                                              • 388179

                                              #23
                                              It was great analysis
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