New England wins toss in OT, decides to kick

DrunkHorseplayer · 12-27-15, 04:48 PM

Foolish to do anything but receive in OT in today's pass and flag-happy NFL.

TheMartian · 12-27-15, 04:48 PM

Billy knew what he was doing don't think for one sec that he didn't

He wanted the Steelers out of the playoff picture

POOLSIDE · 12-27-15, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

I dont see any reason for a team to defer getting the ball in a sudden death situation, there is no good reason for it ever if youre actually trying to win.

Absurd. If the game is a low scoring defensive battle and there's heavy wind, it's a no brainer.

El Nino · 12-27-15, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

No coach gives up the ball in that situation if he's actually trying to win unless he's plain stupid. Just because youve gotten 3 and outs mean nothing, obviously the opponent has gotten 3 and outs against you also, youre in OT for a reason. Besides anything can happen, as you said blown coverages, also penalties, and just plain old they simply score a td against you. If Belichick was actually trying to win this game then he was trying to be too cute for his own good, but I wouldnt doubt it if he wasnt trying to win either.

I guess Mike Zimmer wasn't trying to beat the Rams when he did it earlier this season...

44 Mag · 12-27-15, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

No coach gives up the ball in that situation if he's actually trying to win unless he's plain stupid. Just because youve gotten 3 and outs mean nothing, obviously the opponent has gotten 3 and outs against you also, youre in OT for a reason. Besides anything can happen, as you said blown coverages, also penalties, and just plain old they simply score a td against you. If Belichick was actually trying to win this game then he was trying to be too cute for his own good, but I wouldnt doubt it if he wasnt trying to win either.

Dumbest call this year. "Defer" in OT ?????

JMon · 12-27-15, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by El Nino

And, Belichek just came out and said he wanted to defer. The kid said we want to kick, which is a decision. That is not deferring. So, by making the decision, the Pats lose the ability to choose which way they wanted to defend. That was what the argument was about.

I must have missed 'the kid' saying they wanted to kick. Shit I watched it three times on Redzone too.

JIBBBY · 12-27-15, 04:51 PM

Cousins off the hook now.. That beats it and could be the all time greatest brain fart in NFL History!! Refs didn't let him get the take back.. Insult to injury...

Jets win....

jtoler · 12-27-15, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by POOLSIDE

Absurd. If the game is a low scoring defensive battle and there's heavy wind, it's a no brainer.

I was referring to this game. Still even in those situations, past performances in a game is not a reflection on what is going to occur, even in inclement weather Id probably receive, I just believe offense trumps defense any day simply because the defense has to react to whatever the offense is doing.

jtoler · 12-27-15, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by TheMartian

Billy knew what he was doing don't think for one sec that he didn't

He wanted the Steelers out of the playoff picture

Makes a little sense.

jjgold · 12-27-15, 04:57 PM

Crazy game

Jets right in the hunt

JIBBBY · 12-27-15, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by jtoler

Makes a little sense.

Makes no sense.. Patriots were trying to win that game that's why it went into overtime in the first place.. Brady last dramatic drive to send it into OT paints the picture..

Pats were trying very hard to win that game in the end.. Silly talk here with throwing the game like that...

El Nino · 12-27-15, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by JMon

I must have missed 'the kid' saying they wanted to kick. Shit I watched it three times on Redzone too.

Couldn't tell if it was Slater or Butler. There was no indecision when he said we want to kick though. The protest came when the refs asked the Jets player which way they wanted to go on offense. He didn't think the Jets should get to choose.

Booya711 · 12-27-15, 05:04 PM

non story...Bellicheck has done this before

JIBBBY · 12-27-15, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Booya711

non story...Bellicheck has done this before

If it was Bellichecks master plan to defer from the start then why did the player immediately go back to the refs and try to reverse the decision to defer? Brain fart....

jtoler · 12-27-15, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Makes no sense.. Patriots were trying to win that game that's why it went into overtime in the first place.. Brady last dramatic drive to send it into OT paints the picture..

Pats were trying very hard to win that game in the end.. Silly talk here with throwing the game like that...

And when do you think the Pats found out the Steelers were going to genius.

jtoler · 12-27-15, 05:16 PM

Also both of the Jets touchdowns inside of regulation were 80 yard drives, Jets also had more passing and rushing yards, but Belly was relying on the D here.

Booya711 · 12-27-15, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

If it was Bellichecks master plan to defer from the start then why did the player immediately go back to the refs and try to reverse the decision to defer? Brain fart....

I was referring to a previous game where he deferred in OT and it is being reported that he told Slater to defer in this game as well...not sure why Slater looked so fukking lost

KingJD31 · 12-27-15, 05:16 PM

After further review the confusion was which way they wanted to kick the ball, slater said we want to kick the ball that way pointing to the endzone. You cannot choose whether you want to receive or not and the direction. End thread

44 Mag · 12-27-15, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by KingJD31

After further review the confusion was which way they wanted to kick the ball, slater said we want to kick the ball that way pointing to the endzone. You cannot choose whether you want to receive or not and the direction. End thread

Either way, DUMB call but the Pat's. And that was stated long before the Loss.

ttwarrior1 · 12-27-15, 05:22 PM

Jeep_Life 42 · 12-27-15, 06:30 PM

I still don't understand what happened there?

TheMoneyShot · 12-27-15, 06:36 PM

Did anyone look at the coin though? I don't know if anyone can find clear photos of the NFL coin they use online? But man... if they call that side HEADS... I'd like to see what TAILS looks like?

ChuckyTheGoat · 12-27-15, 07:01 PM

Why didn't Belichick have Brady make the decision?

El Nino · 12-27-15, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by TheMoneyShot

Did anyone look at the coin though? I don't know if anyone can find clear photos of the NFL coin they use online? But man... if they call that side HEADS... I'd like to see what TAILS looks like?

The tails has a big "T" on it. Which was explained by the ref during the coin toss. Jesus Christ, is anyone coherent or sober when they watch these games???

stealthyburrito · 12-27-15, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by El Nino

The tails has a big "T" on it. Which was explained by the ref during the coin toss. Jesus Christ, is anyone coherent or sober when they watch these games???

Holy hell what the fukk could the "T" stand for?

El Nino · 12-27-15, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by stealthyburrito

Holy hell what the fukk could the "T" stand for?

It's a mystery, stealthy

JIBBBY · 12-27-15, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Why didn't Belichick have Brady make the decision?

Brady is in charge of deflating balls.. Not his department...

DrunkHorseplayer · 12-27-15, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by TheMartian

Billy knew what he was doing don't think for one sec that he didn't

He wanted the Steelers out of the playoff picture

The same Steelers the Pats beat easily in Week 1?

GIVEMETHEMONEY · 12-27-15, 07:52 PM

Doesn't the NE Coach know that the first touchdown in an overtime wins?

What a fukking idiot! How much is this guy paid?

JIBBBY · 12-27-15, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by GIVEMETHEMONEY

Doesn't the NE Coach know that the first touchdown in an overtime wins?

What a fukking idiot! How much is this guy paid?

Bingo..

I agree ya gotta take the ball in OT if you win that coin toss..

It's not like deferring the possession you will then get the ball to start the third quarter or anything like that.. In OT I think you want to have the ball and try to score offensively every time.. Especially if your offense has been putting up points all game long and when the defenses are starting to wear down that late in the game......

trytrytry · 12-27-15, 08:15 PM

Didnt the vikings do that this year ?

Seattle Slew · 12-27-15, 08:19 PM

Belichick kicked off in OT to Manning in Foxboro 3 years ago, but there was a significant wind that night.

Not sure the wind was a factor here?

You have to give Brady the ball.

Seattle Slew · 12-27-15, 08:21 PM

Yes, but Bridgewater was knocked out of the game before OT. Rams then got the ball at 20, got a 5-yard penalty, went 3-and-out. Vikes returned punt to 50, Petersen broke a 15-yard run and they kicked long FG

Originally posted by trytrytry

Didnt the vikings do that this year ?

thebestthereis · 12-27-15, 08:23 PM

End of first half they sat on ball good field position, plenty of time and timeouts. FYI Brady one of the best in history at the two minute. Never in history has that happened.

JIBBBY · 12-27-15, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Seattle Slew

Belichick kicked off in OT to Manning in Foxboro 3 years ago, but there was a significant wind that night.

Not sure the wind was a factor here?

You have to give Brady the ball.

Arguably one of the greatest Coaches in NFL history is a tard for doing this then IMO!!!

If you have Tom Brady and that high powered offense you take the ball in OT and try to score first.. I don't care about weather conditions. Even if you have the number one defense in the league and are at home they can face the opposing teams offense on the next drive if you don't score a TD...

If anything you give your own defense time to rest if anything else by taking the first possession offensively in OT...