One of the best runs I've ever been on!

jjgold · 04-19-15, 09:30 PM

Ghenghis Kahn · 04-19-15, 09:33 PM

congrats pal. hit and run. you're gonna end up losing doing all them parlays.

Jayvegas420 · 04-19-15, 11:18 PM

Gotta love parlays!!

Sledge187 · 04-20-15, 04:55 AM

Sexy face!

A.M.S. · 04-20-15, 01:25 PM

Daaaammn

High3rEl3m3nt · 04-20-15, 01:29 PM

This guy is winning all of our money lol. Good work, gimp.

baseballstud · 04-20-15, 01:32 PM

Very impressed. Nice work. Can't believe nobody has come on here accusing you of doctoring your images. Ha ha. Keep up the good work!

Bigbill365 · 04-20-15, 01:36 PM

dam nice.Iv ealways been a fan of 2 team parlays.you just set yourself up for an epic summer.

Hu$tle · 04-20-15, 02:56 PM

Good $hit. Hook us up with some picks once in a while bud

GimpedMaster · 04-23-15, 11:59 PM

Something crazy is happening... I keep winning on both sites and I don't know when or how to stop.

Customer
ID Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Total Current
Balance Today's Non-Posted
Casino Plays 5Dxxxxxxx -4,027 5,593 4,463 5,534 -1,000 0 0 10,563 28,860

Win/Loss	-290	3,566	10,530	2,388	16,194
$ In/Out	0	0	0	-15305	-15305
Total	-290	3,566	10,530	-12,917	889

Basically, with a deposit of $500-$1,000, I'm up almost 60K total in the last month. What the hell is going on?

You can't even get a payout of this size on either of these sites, how do I make sure I don't somehow get screwed out of my winnings?

GimpedMaster · 04-24-15, 12:03 AM

My wins are just ridiculous luck as well. Look at my plays tonight, everything freaking parlayed with the Warriors who by all rights should have lost this game. Down 20 at the start of the 4th quarter and win by 4? Are you serious?

Fundamentally I don't deserve to be on a winning streak like this with such weird, gut feeling plays and parlays but they just keep winning. I feel like I don't deserve this streak, it feels less like skill and more like luck.

4/23/15 11:41pm	$550.00	$500.00	$1,050.00	Win	4/23/15 9:35pm Live In-Play Basketball 9737 Golden State Warriors +12½ -110*<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans

4/23/15 9:22pm	$500.00	$1,109.71	$909.84	Win	2 Team Parlay
				Cancelled	4/23/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 737 Golden State Warriors -4 -130* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NHL Hockey 78 Nashville Predators -122*<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

4/23/15 9:20pm	$1,000.00	$848.40	$1,848.40	Win	2 Team Parlay
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 737 Golden State Warriors -214* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NHL Hockey 78 Nashville Predators +1½ -385* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

4/23/15 6:50pm	$1,000.00	$1,050.00	$2,050.00	Win	2 Team Teaser (ties win) Teaser tw 5fb & 4bk
				Win	4/23/15 7:05pm NBA Basketball 733 Cleveland Cavaliers -1 *<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Boston Celtics
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 737 Golden State Warriors -1 * <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans

4/23/15 6:49pm	$1,000.00	$2,689.62	$3,689.62	Win	4 Team Parlay
				Win	4/23/15 7:05pm NBA Basketball 733 Cleveland Cavaliers -214*<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Boston Celtics
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 737 Golden State Warriors -219* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans
				Win	4/23/15 8:10pm MLB Baseball 974 Chicago White Sox +1½ -270* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Kansas City Royals (Y Ventura - R must Start C Sale - L must Start)
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NHL Hockey 78 Nashville Predators +1½ -385* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

4/23/15 1:03pm	$500.00	$536.23	$1,036.23	Win	2 Team Parlay
				Win	4/23/15 1:10pm MLB Baseball 956 New York Mets +1½ -230*<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Atlanta Braves (J Teheran - R must Start B Colon - R must Start)
				Win	4/23/15 3:10pm MLB Baseball 959 San Diego Padres +1½ -225* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Colorado Rockies (T Ross - R must Start J Lyles - R must Start)

ZetaPsi808 · 04-24-15, 12:04 AM

Wow

No coincidences · 04-24-15, 12:12 AM

Between ML parlay bets and live bets, the books have to be taking an absolute beating right now. Just bet the better team in the NBA and you're absolute gold. These bets are Exhibit A.

ZetaPsi808 · 04-24-15, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by No coincidences

Between ML parlay bets and live bets, the books have to be taking an absolute beating right now. Just bet the better team in the NBA and you're absolute gold. These bets are Exhibit A.

Well yes and no. Ml faves have mostly won. But more dogs have covered ats these playoffs

No coincidences · 04-24-15, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by ZetaPsi808

Well yes and no. Ml faves have mostly won. But more dogs have covered ats these playoffs

Joe Schmoe bets teasers and ML parlays. You know that.

Favorites are 19-3 on the ML and 12-10 ATS so far in the playoffs.

Big Bear · 04-24-15, 09:35 AM

who the hell is Joe Schmoe?

is he friends with Angelitto?

ZetaPsi808 · 04-24-15, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by No coincidences

Joe Schmoe bets teasers and ML parlays. You know that.

Favorites are 19-3 on the ML and 12-10 ATS so far in the playoffs.

true

badgerguy · 04-24-15, 11:06 AM

Got any winners for today?

baseballstud · 04-24-15, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by GimpedMaster

Something crazy is happening... I keep winning on both sites and I don't know when or how to stop.

Customer
ID Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Total Current
Balance Today's Non-Posted
Casino Plays 5Dxxxxxxx -4,027 5,593 4,463 5,534 -1,000 0 0 10,563 28,860

Win/Loss	-290	3,566	10,530	2,388	16,194
$ In/Out	0	0	0	-15305	-15305
Total	-290	3,566	10,530	-12,917	889

Basically, with a deposit of $500-$1,000, I'm up almost 60K total in the last month. What the hell is going on?

You can't even get a payout of this size on either of these sites, how do I make sure I don't somehow get screwed out of my winnings?

How the heck did you move 15k out in one day? Didn't think 5d had that capability

jizay · 04-24-15, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by GimpedMaster

My wins are just ridiculous luck as well. Look at my plays tonight, everything freaking parlayed with the Warriors who by all rights should have lost this game. Down 20 at the start of the 4th quarter and win by 4? Are you serious?

Fundamentally I don't deserve to be on a winning streak like this with such weird, gut feeling plays and parlays but they just keep winning. I feel like I don't deserve this streak, it feels less like skill and more like luck.

4/23/15 11:41pm	$550.00	$500.00	$1,050.00	Win	4/23/15 9:35pm Live In-Play Basketball 9737 Golden State Warriors +12½ -110*<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans

4/23/15 9:22pm	$500.00	$1,109.71	$909.84	Win	2 Team Parlay
				Cancelled	4/23/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 737 Golden State Warriors -4 -130* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NHL Hockey 78 Nashville Predators -122*<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

4/23/15 9:20pm	$1,000.00	$848.40	$1,848.40	Win	2 Team Parlay
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 737 Golden State Warriors -214* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NHL Hockey 78 Nashville Predators +1½ -385* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

4/23/15 6:50pm	$1,000.00	$1,050.00	$2,050.00	Win	2 Team Teaser (ties win) Teaser tw 5fb & 4bk
				Win	4/23/15 7:05pm NBA Basketball 733 Cleveland Cavaliers -1 *<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Boston Celtics
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 737 Golden State Warriors -1 * <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans

4/23/15 6:49pm	$1,000.00	$2,689.62	$3,689.62	Win	4 Team Parlay
				Win	4/23/15 7:05pm NBA Basketball 733 Cleveland Cavaliers -214*<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Boston Celtics
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 737 Golden State Warriors -219* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans
				Win	4/23/15 8:10pm MLB Baseball 974 Chicago White Sox +1½ -270* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Kansas City Royals (Y Ventura - R must Start C Sale - L must Start)
				Win	4/23/15 9:35pm NHL Hockey 78 Nashville Predators +1½ -385* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

4/23/15 1:03pm	$500.00	$536.23	$1,036.23	Win	2 Team Parlay
				Win	4/23/15 1:10pm MLB Baseball 956 New York Mets +1½ -230*<small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Atlanta Braves (J Teheran - R must Start B Colon - R must Start)
				Win	4/23/15 3:10pm MLB Baseball 959 San Diego Padres +1½ -225* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Colorado Rockies (T Ross - R must Start J Lyles - R must Start)

Before this run, what did you consider a working amount to keep in your accounts? Withdraw down to that as quickly as you can. You're gonna get looser and looser with your plays. Even if you swoon and drop $10,000, you'd still be in a good position, but you'll feel like chasing to make that money back. Take it off the table.

newguy · 04-24-15, 02:38 PM

Agree with the above. Get the cash out down to whatever amount you feel like you need to be able to operate your strategy.

jjgold · 04-24-15, 03:16 PM

Good to see a run like this because it gives all of us a glimpse of hope

Bcatswin · 04-24-15, 03:28 PM

Congrats

Don't end up like moyal.

Maverick11 · 04-24-15, 05:51 PM

Good job.....Let us know if and when 5d pays you....just curious

4/19/15 11:48am	$400.00	$1,761.05	Pending	7 Team Parlay
			Win	4/19/15 3:05pm NBA Basketball 710 Cleveland Cavaliers -892* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Boston Celtics
			Win	4/19/15 5:35pm NBA Basketball 712 Atlanta Hawks -578* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Brooklyn Nets
			Pending	4/19/15 8:05pm NBA Basketball 714 Memphis Grizzlies -209* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Portland Trail Blazers
			Win	4/19/15 1:10pm MLB Baseball 952 New York Mets +1½ -345* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Miami Marlins (T Koehler - R must Start M Harvey - R must Start)
			Win	4/19/15 1:35pm MLB Baseball 954 Washington Nationals -225* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Philadelphia Phillies (D Buchanan - R must Start S Strasburg - R must Start)
			Win	4/19/15 8:05pm MLB Baseball 964 St Louis Cardinals +1½ -330* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Cincinnati Reds (M Leake - R must Start A Wainwright - R must Start)
			Win	4/19/15 3:05pm NHL Hockey 35 Nashville Predators +2½ -650* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

4/19/15 2:59am	$2,000.00	$2,400.00	Pending	3 Team Teaser (ties push) Teaser tp 8fb & 6bk
			Win	4/19/15 3:05pm NBA Basketball 710 Cleveland Cavaliers -5½ * <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Boston Celtics
			Win	4/19/15 5:35pm NBA Basketball 712 Atlanta Hawks -4 * <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Brooklyn Nets
			Pending	4/19/15 8:05pm NBA Basketball 714 Memphis Grizzlies +½ * <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Portland Trail Blazers

4/19/15 7:45pm	$925.00	$500.00	$1,425.00	Win	4/19/15 8:05pm MLB Baseball 964 St Louis Cardinals -185* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Cincinnati Reds (M Leake - R must Start A Wainwright - R must Start)

4/19/15 12:44pm	$1,000.00	$2,158.65	$3,158.65	Win	4 Team Parlay
				Win	4/19/15 3:05pm NBA Basketball 710 Cleveland Cavaliers -892* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Boston Celtics
				Win	4/19/15 5:35pm NBA Basketball 712 Atlanta Hawks -605* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Brooklyn Nets
				Win	4/19/15 1:10pm MLB Baseball 967 New York Yankees +1½ -275* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Tampa Bay Rays (M Pineda - R must Start M Andriese - R must Start)
				Win	4/19/15 1:05pm MLB Baseball 979 Atlanta Braves +1½ -127* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Toronto Blue Jays (S Miller - R must Start D Norris - L must Start)

4/19/15 11:50am	$750.00	$1,220.96	$1,970.96	Win	5 Team Parlay
				Win	4/19/15 3:05pm NBA Basketball 710 Cleveland Cavaliers -892* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Boston Celtics
				Win	4/19/15 5:35pm NBA Basketball 712 Atlanta Hawks -578* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Brooklyn Nets
				Win	4/19/15 8:05pm MLB Baseball 964 St Louis Cardinals +2½ -610* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Cincinnati Reds (M Leake - R must Start A Wainwright - R must Start)
				Win	4/19/15 1:05pm MLB Baseball 979 Atlanta Braves +2½ -200* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Toronto Blue Jays (S Miller - R must Start D Norris - L must Start)
				Win	4/19/15 3:05pm NHL Hockey 35 Nashville Predators +2½ -650* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

4/18/15 8:12pm	$1,000.00	$1,373.14	$2,373.14	Win	3 Team Parlay
				Win	4/18/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 708 Houston Rockets -229* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Dallas Mavericks
				Win	4/18/15 9:10pm MLB Baseball 928 Seattle Mariners +1½ -380* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Texas Rangers (C Lewis - R must Start F Hernandez - R must Start)
				Win	4/18/15 8:25pm NHL Hockey 29 Pittsburgh Penguins +2½ -325* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New York Rangers

4/18/15 9:54am	$500.00	$935.75	$1,435.75	Win	2 Team Parlay
				Win	4/18/15 2:15pm MLB Baseball 904 St. Louis Cardinals -146* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Cincinnati Reds (H Bailey - R must Start C Martinez - R must Start)
				Win	4/18/15 3:05pm NHL Hockey 26 St. Louis Blues -142* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Minnesota Wild

4/18/15 9:54am	$1,000.00	$957.37	$1,957.37	Win	4 Team Parlay
				Win	4/18/15 3:35pm NBA Basketball 704 Golden State Warriors -948* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans
				Win	4/18/15 2:15pm MLB Baseball 904 St. Louis Cardinals +2½ -365* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Cincinnati Reds (H Bailey - R must Start C Martinez - R must Start)
				Win	4/18/15 9:10pm MLB Baseball 928 Seattle Mariners +2½ -755* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Texas Rangers (C Lewis - R must Start F Hernandez - R must Start)
				Win	4/18/15 3:05pm NHL Hockey 26 St. Louis Blues +1½ -440* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Minnesota Wild

4/18/15 9:51am	$1,000.00	$1,100.00	$2,100.00	Win	3 Team Teaser (ties push) Teaser tp 8½fb & 6bk
				Win	4/18/15 3:35pm NBA Basketball 704 Golden State Warriors -6 * <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> New Orleans Pelicans
				Win	4/18/15 7:05pm NBA Basketball 706 Chicago Bulls -1½ * <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Milwaukee Bucks
				Win	4/18/15 9:35pm NBA Basketball 708 Houston Rockets +1 * <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Dallas Mavericks

4/17/15 10:26pm	$422.50	$250.00	$0.00	Loss	Baseball - .SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS vs ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - Game - Which team will win the match? ( OT included ) SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS -169

4/17/15 11:07am	$500.00	$668.99	$1,168.99	Win	2 Team Parlay
				Win	4/17/15 2:20pm MLB Baseball 951 San Diego Padres +1½ -205* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Cubs (J Shields - R must Start J Hammel - R must Start)
				Win	4/17/15 1:05pm MLB Baseball 966 Detroit Tigers -175* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago White Sox (J Samardzija - R must Start D Price - L must Start)

4/17/15 11:04am	$600.00	$642.00	$1,242.00	Win	4/17/15 2:20pm MLB Baseball 951 San Diego Padres +107* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Cubs (J Shields - R must Start J Hammel - R must Start)

4/17/15 11:03am	$600.00	$2,086.88	$2,686.88	Win	5 Team Parlay
				Win	4/17/15 2:20pm MLB Baseball 951 San Diego Padres +1½ -205* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Cubs (J Shields - R must Start J Hammel - R must Start)
				Win	4/17/15 7:05pm MLB Baseball 956 Washington Nationals +1½ -440* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Philadelphia Phillies (S O'Sullivan - R must Start M Scherzer - R must Start)
				Win	4/17/15 8:15pm MLB Baseball 960 St Louis Cardinals +1½ -225* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Cincinnati Reds (J Cueto - R must Start M Wacha - R must Start)
				Win	4/17/15 7:10pm MLB Baseball 968 Boston Red Sox +2½ -330* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Baltimore Orioles (U Jimenez - R must Start J Kelly - R must Start)
				Win	4/17/15 9:35pm NHL Hockey 22 Nashville Predators +1½ -330* <small style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px;">vs</small> Chicago Blackhawks

	Sunday 04/19/2015	Parlay	750.00	986.21	No
Baseball - St. Louis Cardinals -176 for Game M Leake (R) must start A Wainwright (R) must start Basketball - Memphis Grizzlies -210 for Game
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	Sunday 04/19/2015	Teaser Payoffs 10 pt Teaser	2,000.00	1,428.57	No
Basketball - Cleveland Cavaliers -2 -110 for Game Basketball - Atlanta Hawks -½ -110 for Game Basketball - Memphis Grizzlies +5½ -110 for Game Basketball - Los Angeles Clippers +10 -110 for Game

Sunday 04/19/2015	Money Line	500	0
Baseball - St. Louis Cardinals -185 for Game M Leake (R) must start A Wainwright (R) must start
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Sunday 04/19/2015	Parlay	1989.02	0
Baseball - New York Mets -176 for Game T Koehler (R) must start M Harvey (R) must start Baseball - Washington Nationals -225 for Game D Buchanan (R) must start S Strasburg (R) must start Baseball - St. Louis Cardinals -178 for Game M Leake (R) must start A Wainwright (R) must start Baseball - Detroit Tigers -132 for Game J Quintana (L) must start S Greene (R) must start Baseball - Atlanta Braves +1½ -130 for Game S Miller (R) must start D Norris (L) must start Basketball - Cleveland Cavaliers -900 for Game Basketball - Atlanta Hawks -600 for Game
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Sunday 04/19/2015	Parlay	0	350
Baseball - Washington Nationals -225 for Game D Buchanan (R) must start S Strasburg (R) must start Baseball - St. Louis Cardinals -178 for Game M Leake (R) must start A Wainwright (R) must start Baseball - Atlanta Braves +1½ -130 for Game S Miller (R) must start D Norris (L) must start Basketball - Cleveland Cavaliers -900 for Game Basketball - Atlanta Hawks -600 for Game Hockey - Nashville Predators +1½ -210 for Game
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Sunday 04/19/2015	Parlay	1503.78	0
Baseball - New York Mets -176 for Game T Koehler (R) must start M Harvey (R) must start Baseball - Washington Nationals -225 for Game D Buchanan (R) must start S Strasburg (R) must start Baseball - Atlanta Braves +1½ -130 for Game S Miller (R) must start D Norris (L) must start
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Sunday 04/19/2015	Parlay	657.18	0
Baseball - Seattle Mariners -205 for Game C Lewis (R) must start F Hernandez (R) must start Hockey - Pittsburgh Penguins +1½ -180 for Game
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Sunday 04/19/2015	Parlay	1713.39	0
Baseball - St. Louis Cardinals -145 for Game H Bailey (R) must start C Martinez (R) must start Baseball - Seattle Mariners -220 for Game C Lewis (R) must start F Hernandez (R) must start Basketball - Golden State Warriors -900 for Game Basketball - Houston Rockets -220 for Game Hockey - St. Louis Blues -145 for Game
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Sunday 04/19/2015	Parlay	1188.88	0
Basketball - Golden State Warriors -900 for Game Basketball - Houston Rockets -240 for Game Hockey - St. Louis Blues -140 for Game

Sunday 04/19/2015	Spread	344.14	0
Basketball - Houston Rockets -4 -145 buying 1½ for Game
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Friday 04/17/2015	Parlay	1957.77	0
Baseball - San Diego Padres +1½ -210 for Game J Shields (R) must start J Hammel (R) must start Baseball - Washington Nationals -240 for Game J O'Sullivan (R) must start M Scherzer (R) must start Baseball - St. Louis Cardinals -126 for Game J Cueto (R) must start M Wacha (R) must start Baseball - Detroit Tigers -175 for Game J Samardzija (R) must start D Price (L) must start