Sixteen Days Left!- WSOP

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

bite, did you pound utah 2h the other night???

I can not tell a lie, bud.
I peeked, thought about pulling the trigger, but did not.

I've been a total BETTOR FAIL of late: I liked ND w/pts last night, but meandered and didn't get a bet in. ANYWHERE. Not even betpts. WTF!!!???
Tx so much for trying to help me and giving me gold on a silver platter.

You can lead a horse to water......

[frankzig]

Question for a mod or somebody in the know
Does SBR put shill's into the tourny's now?


people showing up w/no history(not new) or 2 posts in 5 yrs

[broadway6]

I can not tell a lie, bud.
I peeked, thought about pulling the trigger, but did not.

I've been a total BETTOR FAIL of late: I liked ND w/pts last night, but meandered and didn't get a bet in. ANYWHERE. Not even betpts. WTF!!!???
Tx so much for trying to help me and giving me gold on a silver platter.

You can lead a horse to water......

well it was a lucky ass win...but a win is a win.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Is it possible for a guy to get a break around here. When I first took this shit over it was nothing but praises for doing such a good job.
Now all I get is a shitload of crap because I make a generalized statement.

That's 48 tournaments to help boost you in the standings.

You don't see me going around nit picking about you and all the grammatical errors you guys post. We're not in High School (or at least I thought we were all gramuated.)

Don't take it too personally sammy; bobbo doesn't have a lot of opportunities to be right in this particular subforum, so he needs to misinterpret the obvious and pretend there was some confusion he could be "right" about. Vast majority of us understood what you meant perfectly well.

I think you're doing a good job so far, great response to some dynamic situations. You could be great though, with just a few more small actions!

Throw us a bone here sammy: if you can't get the hand for hand at 15 fixed, can you please, PLEASE get us an explanation why? Can the software simply not support it? This is a sore point way out of proportion to the issue, as many of us know most software platforms can change this with very little effort. If you tell us it can't be done with SBR poker, that's one thing...we'll probably all choose to go on playing and having fun, but just knowing that you guys would do something if you could would be a relief, and better than the widely-believed alternative that nobody cares enough to do anything about it.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Honestly I find it hard to believe having the right person say "we can't change it right now" would do anything to reduce the attacks. But if it helps you personally, you can take it from me that the hand for hand probably won't be fixed real soon. If the resources to do it were available it would be done. Hopefully it will be one day.

It would make a huge difference opti; maybe not with everyone, but for many of us it would, and we would probably shift towards telling the people still griping to suck it up or play at another free poker site.

Maybe the hand for hand change is a massively technical challenge...it doesn't seem like it should be, considering much free poker software is available that can change this in seconds. If it is for some reason, telling us would be better than ignoring us! Same goes for stated plan for ring games, etc...keeping us informed and soliciting feedback would be far better than just keeping us in the dark!

[bobbywaves]

bobbo doesn't have a lot of opportunities to be right in this particular subforum, so he needs to misinterpret the obvious and pretend there was some confusion he could be "right" about.

I was "right" about winning our poker challenge.

I'm "right" that you're still butt hurt, losing 29k to me.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

...it doesn't seem like it should be, considering much free poker software is available that can change this in seconds......
.......as many of us know most software platforms can change this with very little effort....

Ah, yup.
Many know this fact, even know more additional facts, as well (of course there has to be a level of competency to do it).

Quick tale: Last year, I was sitting at the table with chippernaz, getting on his case about his stiffing ways. Opti shows up, observed I was giving chippernaz heck and asked why. I told him because chipup was borednaz. Opti gave me the same basic reasoning as he offers now: "I doubt it, because SBR would have already done something if he was. They haven't, so doubtful he's borednaz".

I assured Opti that he was, in fact, borednaz. Opti basically repeated he can't be or SBR would know and have dealt with him. (Of course, he told me this minus the "fukk you", "full of shit" and "bald face lies" he so elegantly & civilly directed my way today).

I playfully then told him "MOD FAIL" and the chat ended. Of course, we all know what occurred a couple months later... as he was officially outed. Moral of story: Seems a poster can know more about SBR stuff than a mod (in fact, chippernaz made a thread naming *me* his outing nemesis and the ultimate source of all his problems).

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@Bite we are online friends and like each other. But I don't appreciate you questioning my integrity over and again. I am speaking my own mind and I have explained truthfully what I can about the H4H. No more claims you know its easy to change when you clearly don't know that. No more throwing at me my opinion doesn't matter due to my job. And please save the semantics and point scoring for one of the never ending battles with BobbyWaves. (although I'd really prefer if that crap could end too). Congrats on being correct about Borednaz, but what did you want me to say? I reported what you said to admin and was told it would be looked at. "It must not be him if nothing was done" was about all I knew to tell you.

@SharpAngles this is exactly what is expected following any explanation or even announcement anyone from SBR might provide about anything to do with poker. Deny and attack. Of course there is no issue changing the setting, obviously SBR just doesn't want to flick the switch. Everyone is probably just too busy rigging who should win the tournies for tomorrow to handle it. But if it was an Admin person posting they would not be here arguing the point... the thread would just be multiple pages of each of you attacking and backing each other up until you are actually convinced it's correct and justified.

This may surprise you, but it's actually not clear and obvious either Autodonk or AntFather should be banned. Personally I think definitely not for one and a warning and benefit of the doubt should go to the other. Just because Bite has spent 2 weeks demanding he is right about these bans it does not mean SBR is wrong in not doing what the mob says. It's not fair to selectively police the place, so personally I think it's best to err on the side of players when issues come up, unless rules can be set that can be enforced.

It would make a huge difference opti; maybe not with everyone, but for many of us it would, and we would probably shift towards telling the people still griping to suck it up or play at another free poker site.

Maybe the hand for hand change is a massively technical challenge...it doesn't seem like it should be, considering much free poker software is available that can change this in seconds. If it is for some reason, telling us would be better than ignoring us! Same goes for stated plan for ring games, etc...keeping us informed and soliciting feedback would be far better than just keeping us in the dark!

I agree it doesn't sound like a biggie. And obviously I asked about it. What I know and feel able to say, as it is not my place to speak for SBR about internal matters, is that currently SBR don't have the resources to change it. I don't know about any plans for the future but I do know admin don't ignore the complaints even if they don't post about it. Everyone would love to have it changed.

But that issue is just a red herring anyway. What I am railing against is the negativity and unreasonable attacks and just generally trying to get the regulars to see this constant negativity is hurting us all. Poker isn't growing as it should be considering what an awesome free promotion it really is. It's pointless just sitting back and tossing bricks and saying well it's all SBRs fault for not fixing minor glitches or explaining things to us the way we want. Fair criticisms maybe, but turning that into justification for attacks on poker forum mods and claims that SBR are shitting on players is way out of proportion and has got the stage the whole section and promotion itself stinks of negativity.

BTW, I am sure you are one that can remember me railing about this subject just as passionately when Wulfman was still here. Long before I even thought about a position here. (I feel a little dirty for even needing to point this out for Bite)



I'm really over this now. Can't we all just get along?

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I have a suggestion.

What if we as players created a simple voluntary code of conduct for play here?

If someone does something wrong they can be shown a link to the code and asked to comply.

I think this would solve the bulk of soft play issues for one. Just making sure all the poker newbies and people who don't take it seriously as its free know what is expected.

[spider]

here's another suggestion Opti,

post a sticky in the poker forum, where you advise all players that sbr is aware of the h4h issue and will be addressed when it will be possible in the future.

therefore no more "whining", it acknowledges the issue (even if it's minor), and keeps everyone informed. (it should have been done a long time ago)

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here's another suggestion Opti,

post a sticky in the poker forum, where you advise all players that sbr is aware of the h4h issue and will be addressed when it will be possible in the future.

therefore no more "whining", it acknowledges the issue (even if it's minor), and keeps everyone informed. (it should have been done a long time ago)

Ok, there's another suggestion about what SBR could do. I'm sure Sam will take it on board.

I wonder how many sticky threads we might end up needing to address every issue the poker community thinks worthy of this type of announcement though.


I was kind of hoping to inspire some change from our side of things.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

@Opti
1. I've never questioned your integrity; that's just you misinterpreting specific things, then you losing your composure (and resorting to profanities) due to you being overly sensitive about your mod job (more elaboration about this in another post I just responded to). Not my problem if you overreact and misinterpret due to your sensitivity; that's on you, not me.

2. You're woefully ill-informed, yet again. I never called for donk's banning, in fact, I was very specific as to what I believed should have been done (perhaps you need to look back and inform yourself instead of making wrong statements). I absolutely called for antfather's banning, and it's a disgrace and embarrassment to SBR that this hasn't already been done. The facts regarding him are undisputed and confirmed: He is a thief (stole betpts), a scammer ( ro colluding w/POS69, who got banned) and tourney cheat. What more do you guys need?, ffs

And your "Bite spending 2 weeks demanding he is right about these bans" is both hyperbolic and erroneous. Educate yourself, please. I never called for AD's banning, only AF's. And it's actually very clear (despite what you say due to your lack of poker sophistication) that the antfather should be banned. Hell, if not just for his bragging about his getting over on his stiffing/cheating ways in a thread.

BTW, I see the only one that nominated your one post was antstiffy -- probably not a good overall sign of things, ya know?

[SharpAngles]

@SharpAngles this is exactly what is expected following any explanation or even announcement anyone from SBR might provide about anything to do with poker. Deny and attack. Of course there is no issue changing the setting, obviously SBR just doesn't want to flick the switch. Everyone is probably just too busy rigging who should win the tournies for tomorrow to handle it. But if it was an Admin person posting they would not be here arguing the point... the thread would just be multiple pages of each of you attacking and backing each other up until you are actually convinced it's correct and justified.

This may surprise you, but it's actually not clear and obvious either Autodonk or AntFather should be banned. Personally I think definitely not for one and a warning and benefit of the doubt should go to the other. Just because Bite has spent 2 weeks demanding he is right about these bans it does not mean SBR is wrong in not doing what the mob says. It's not fair to selectively police the place, so personally I think it's best to err on the side of players when issues come up, unless rules can be set that can be enforced.

......


I'm really over this now. Can't we all just get along?

Nobody from SBR has addressed the H4H though. The only mention I've ever seen is yours the other day that you've "heard" they're aware and the technical challenge is too great to overcome. Which, come'on now, is pretty weak and if true I guess I don't blame them for trying to keep it quiet.

And I didn't see one person calling for a ban of the Donk and I sure don't think he should be. Could've of handled the situation better imo but the call out he got publicly is more than enough discipline.

As for the other one, I don't want to hear benefit of the doubt when the deadbeat is posting taunts to the players hes stiffed as well as basically laughing in SBRs own face after scamming the rollover system. We're talking about a guy who brags about playing with superstars like the chainsaw so he obv knows enough poker to realize it was dishonest to steal rake and rollover from SBR. No action from SBR makes your bolded comment above a joke unless you mean the dishonest players.

Not to mention I still need an explanation why his posting handle is capitalized T A and F, yet his poker handle is all lowercase. And I know its the same stiff from interacting with him at the tables, so to me thats clear multiaccounting, but if you can give me a reason this could happen otherwise I wouldn't feel that way anymore. See how nice communication is?

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Another thing, regarding this myth that SBR is Santa Claus and gives charity (sin's word) with 'free poker'. FACT: SBR is a business (in big picture, a well run one w/smart businessmen), not Santa Claus giving away free stuff to us. When I joined PRO, I entered an agreement w/SBR. Like any company, they offered me a deal which I could accept or decline with certain products/things offered to persuade me to join/'buy'/sign up. If there wasn't any poker, I would've went on my merry way and never would have given SBR another thought, to be honest. But there was, so I agreed to the deal ($200 deposit) and joined.

With that, we entered an agreement.

I had obligations to abide by their rules and regs, and they had obligations to deliver to me what they said they would that got me to join in the first place: pts, poker, sportsbook, chance to win gift cards, pizza, etc. THIS WAS THE AGREEMENT. Santa Claus didn't mysteriously show up. They aren't giving me anything for free. SBR makes their money from us members in myriad ways (more power to them). They need *us*.

I mean, this idea "SBR gives you free stuff like Santa Claus"... WTF? Let's extrapolate this, plugging in another company for a moment:

Time Warner rep: "Hello, Time Warner Customer Service, how may I help you?"

customer: "Yeah, I signed up for your year long package, all the channels, premiums too, HBO, Showtime, the works. I read what the agreement was and decided to join TW. I joined because all you said I'd get per the agreement."

TW rep: "TY sir, and I see you've completed your payment obligation on my computer screen. What can I help you with?"

customer: "Well, seems since yesterday I use to get 12 HBO's but now I noticed I'm only getting 5. Seems like a pretty drastic cut and I was never notified this was going to take place."

TW rep: "Well, sir, you still have HBO, you should be grateful.

customer: "Well, yeah, I'm not saying I'm not grateful. Actually, I enjoy your service and all, it's just that a little notification would have been nice. And btw, I only joined TW because of HBO, ultimately. It was offered in the agreement, it's why I took the package and sent the money."

TW rep: "You seem to be quite the complainer, sir. You still have HBO. We're giving it to you for FREE. Out of the goodness of our heart. You know you'd have joined us anyway for all the other cable channels. You should be appreciative you get any HBO's, really.

customer: "Well, uh, actually, I wouldn't have joined TW if you didn't have HBO... but again, I'm not saying I'm not appreciative of your service. I think it's still good value, and I understand things change w/ costs and whatnot. A little communication would have been nice is really all I'm saying, I guess."

TW rep: "WHINER!.. sir, I must be honest with you, keep this kind of attitude up and I'll recommend we stop HBO all together. You won't get any. How'd ya like them apples? We're giving it to you for free! Be honest, you'd be with us anyway to watch the other channels. You know how much we spend to give you HBO?"

customer: "Well, it doesn't really matter what you spend cuz that cost was on you to figure out and make it profitable for TW when you ofered me the agreement to join. That's Business 101 and on you. And it's not free... cuz unless I agreed to your terms and sent in the money you just weren't going to give it to me to watch for any value. I'd just get the HBO logo, I couldn't do anything with it. You make money off me and other customers, you're not a charity, you're a business. Doing as well as you ever have, so I hear. And again, not sure how many times I need to say it, but the reason I entered the agreement with TW was because of HBO. It was included in the deal I entered into. And, having said all that, I still think there's great value with TW."

TW rep: "You ungrateful, unappreciative twat!"

customer: "Well, uh, not really, I've said more than once I enjoy and apprreciate your company. A little communication on things would really go a long way and I think...."

TW rep: "Fukk you!"

customer: "Wow... really? You went there? Aren't you repping TW as an employee? Is name calling and swearing at your customers really the way to go? Aren't you bright enough to get your point across without resorting to profanities?... Just askin"

TW rep: "Listen asshole, I'm probably gonna cut off all your HBO's now. Gonna put you on a system wide IGNORE LIST, too. One of our favorite things to do is IGNORE! That'll teach ya for voicing your opinion... you whiny lil unappreciating BITCH!"

*END CALL*

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Nobody from SBR has addressed the H4H though.

No doubt b/c it's simply too technically difficult to post.

Not to mention I still need an explanation why his posting handle is capitalized T A and F, yet his poker handle is all lowercase. And I know its the same stiff from interacting with him at the tables, so to me thats clear multiaccounting, but if you can give me a reason this could happen otherwise I wouldn't feel that way anymore. See how nice communication is?

I can answer this for you, Sharpy.

It's just what the poker software does; it doesn't necessarily replicate the forum name exactly; many examples of this, with either capitalization or the name/ending number being truncated. (Vegas, spur, etc.)

He's a liar, stiff, scammer, cheater and thief but at least in this particular case (with theantfather handle)... he's not multi-accounting.

Not that I would put it past him in some other form or fashion tho....

[bobbywaves]

Fortunately I recently went with Amazon Fire TV instead of Time Warner.

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Nobody from SBR has addressed the H4H though. The only mention I've ever seen is yours the other day that you've "heard" they're aware and the technical challenge is too great to overcome. Which, come'on now, is pretty weak and if true I guess I don't blame them for trying to keep it quiet.

And I didn't see one person calling for a ban of the Donk and I sure don't think he should be. Could've of handled the situation better imo but the call out he got publicly is more than enough discipline.

As for the other one, I don't want to hear benefit of the doubt when the deadbeat is posting taunts to the players hes stiffed as well as basically laughing in SBRs own face after scamming the rollover system. We're talking about a guy who brags about playing with superstars like the chainsaw so he obv knows enough poker to realize it was dishonest to steal rake and rollover from SBR. No action from SBR makes your bolded comment above a joke unless you mean the dishonest players.

Not to mention I still need an explanation why his posting handle is capitalized T A and F, yet his poker handle is all lowercase. And I know its the same stiff from interacting with him at the tables, so to me thats clear multiaccounting, but if you can give me a reason this could happen otherwise I wouldn't feel that way anymore. See how nice communication is?

Could be true about the first thing. I may have even over stepped the mark a little if that is right.

My mistake about Autodonk. Could have sworn I read posts calling for his banning but admit to not reading many of the posts Bite and he exchanged about it after that. Thought they were the two people referred to. As far as AntFather. I read you loud and clear. Doesn't seem like a very good guy. But SBR almost never gets involved in points disputes between players and if Sam decided P069 was the only one of the two that needed a sanction for the rollover thing then I want to trust his judgement. I get why so many would like him punished though and would have been just as happy with the result if Sam did that. Given enough rope AF is the sort of character that will hang himself sooner or later anyway. ;-)

I don't know for sure why the capitalization change in the poker nick. But I've seen it with a bunch of people and don't think it means anything. Vegas39 used to have an extra number on the end as an even weirder one. It doesn't matter what the poker nick shows he still has to log in with the same forum account. If he has 2 poker different poker nicks he would need two forum accounts. I'll ask around and see if I can get the real reason but it's probably just that the poker account has been edited at some stage Im guessing, and either the software makes it all lower case or a person typed it in that way.

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@Opti
1. I've never questioned your integrity; that's just you misinterpreting specific things, then you losing your composure (and resorting to profanities) due to you being overly sensitive about your mod job (more elaboration about this in another post I just responded to). Not my problem if you overreact and misinterpret due to your sensitivity; that's on you, not me.

2. You're woefully ill-informed, yet again. I never called for donk's banning, in fact, I was very specific as to what I believed should have been done (perhaps you need to look back and inform yourself instead of making wrong statements). I absolutely called for antfather's banning, and it's a disgrace and embarrassment to SBR that this hasn't already been done. The facts regarding him are undisputed and confirmed: He is a thief (stole betpts), a scammer ( ro colluding w/POS69, who got banned) and tourney cheat. What more do you guys need?, ffs

And your "Bite spending 2 weeks demanding he is right about these bans" is both hyperbolic and erroneous. Educate yourself, please. I never called for AD's banning, only AF's. And it's actually very clear (despite what you say due to your lack of poker sophistication) that the antfather should be banned. Hell, if not just for his bragging about his getting over on his stiffing/cheating ways in a thread.

BTW, I see the only one that nominated your one post was antstiffy -- probably not a good overall sign of things, ya know?

Ok, I'll give you all that.

New day now, happy to move on?

[jjgold]

I would enter if I had 50k extra cash


$1000 tourneys tough

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Ok, I'll give you all that.

New day now, happy to move on?

Yes... let's move on

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Yes... let's move on

Thank you

[SharpAngles]

Still don't get how his name is one of a few that would happen to while others, Biter is a perfect example, always have the same capitals and format in my HHs. But if you don't think its an issue Opti I can accept it and forget it.

I will say its refreshing to get some dialogue and despite imo going off the rails a bit here with bite, you're a gentleman Opti