Has any team ever been a number 1 seed w/o winning a conf or tourney championship?

[ZetaPsi808]

Duke will beat Utah easily; got down early at -4.5.

i disagree. that opener of 4.5 seems awfully low. i was expecting it to open at 6. this game will be closer than people think

[seaborneq]

The answer to the original question is yes, and probably more times than some people think. The reality is that the selection committee is not as concerned with conference championships and tournament championships as it is with a team's full body of work. And it is impossible not to argue that Duke had the best collection of road wins of any team in the country this season.

If the conference tourneys don't matter why are they giving out automatic bids for winning them? If the conference title doesn't matter, why are they crowning conference champions. They can't have it both ways...........it either matters or it doesn't. For Duke it obviously doesn't matter.

[ZetaPsi808]

If the conference tourneys don't matter why are they giving out automatic bids for winning them? If the conference title doesn't matter, why are they crowning conference champions. They can't have it both ways...........it either matters or it doesn't. For Duke it obviously doesn't matter.

it gives teams like albany and robert morris a guaranteed way of getting into the dance. you win your conference tourney, you're guaranteed a spot.

dukes loss to ND in the acc tourney was bad, but still theres no way there are 4 teams better than them in the country.

i just cant agree with jumping duke in the seeding with any of the #2 seeds

[LT Profits]

If the conference tourneys don't matter why are they giving out automatic bids for winning them? If the conference title doesn't matter, why are they crowning conference champions. They can't have it both ways...........it either matters or it doesn't. For Duke it obviously doesn't matter.

Conference tournies matter if a team that would not have made the NCAA otherwise win them, and crowning conference champions can be seen as an accomplishment in itself without necessarily correlating to what the selection committee does.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

tell murray st conference tourney doesn't matter. and ask any coach if they prefer to be #1 or #2 seed. all of them will choose the #1 seed.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

it gives teams like albany and robert morris a guaranteed way of getting into the dance. you win your conference tourney, you're guaranteed a spot.

dukes loss to ND in the acc tourney was bad, but still theres no way there are 4 teams better than them in the country.

i just cant agree with jumping duke in the seeding with any of the #2 seeds

nd beat them not just once but twice. more than anything nd got screwed even though they've been looking like shiit.

[LT Profits]

tell murray st conference tourney doesn't matter. and ask any coach if they prefer to be #1 or #2 seed. all of them will choose the #1 seed.

You are talking about a one-bid conference with Murray State. I am taking about teams already assured of NCAA bids, with those teams, conference titles are not as important as overall resume, and based in that Duke certainly deserved the one-seed with those road wins.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

i'm not complaining duke got the #1 seed but nd got screwed. i got the zags beating duke so we'll see.

[ZetaPsi808]

guess duke deserved the #1 seed huh pal ;-)

[ChiLLx]

guess duke deserved the #1 seed huh pal ;-)

They did not. The selection committee gave Duke the easiest path to a championship in the history of this tournament. I can't believe the teams they had to play to get to the title game.

[ZetaPsi808]

They did not. The selection committee gave Duke the easiest path to a championship in the history of this tournament. I can't believe the teams they had to play to get to the title game.

nah they really did tho

they beat wisky which was a legit #1 seed

duke has the most wins against top 25 teams all year

[ChiLLx]

nah they really did tho

they beat wisky which was a legit #1 seed

duke has the most wins against top 25 teams all year

Re-read my post, I said TO GET TO the title game.

Duke plays mid majors SDSU/Utah/Zaga/#7 seed MSU. Wisconsin plays UNC/Zona/UK.

[Wilfred]

Re-read my post, I said TO GET TO the title game.

Duke plays mid majors SDSU/Utah/Zaga/#7 seed MSU. Wisconsin plays UNC/Zona/UK.

Don't you dare slander Gonzaga

[seaborneq]

They did not. The selection committee gave Duke the easiest path to a championship in the history of this tournament. I can't believe the teams they had to play to get to the title game.

Agreed.

[ZetaPsi808]

Re-read my post, I said TO GET TO the title game.

Duke plays mid majors SDSU/Utah/Zaga/#7 seed MSU. Wisconsin plays UNC/Zona/UK.

it would not have mattered anyway

even if duke had wisky's draw they still likely beaten those teams

[ChiLLx]

it would not have mattered anyway

even if duke had wisky's draw they still likely beaten those teams

Disagreed, but, ok.

[swordsandtequila]

Re-read my post, I said TO GET TO the title game.

Duke plays mid majors SDSU/Utah/Zaga/#7 seed MSU. Wisconsin plays UNC/Zona/UK.

Better conference, better schedule, better wins. Should count for something. And they beat Wisconsin TWICE. End of story.