Breaking down the Atlanta Hwaks - Minnesota Timberwolve game tonight

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  • stevenash
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    • 01-17-11
    • 65661

    #1
    Breaking down the Atlanta Hwaks - Minnesota Timberwolve game tonight
    Line as of 09:00
    Atlanta Hawks -18 Total 200


    Using Hollinger's numbers: Offense efficency (points per 100 possessions)
    Hawks are 6th ranked in NBA in points scored per 100 possessions (offense efficency)
    Hawks score 106.9 points per 100 possessions.


    T-Wolves are 27th ranked (out of 30) in offense effiency
    T-Wolves score 98.5 points per 100 possessions


    Using Hollinger's numbers: Defense efficency (points per 100 possessions)

    Hawks are 3rd ranked in defense effeciency.
    Hawks allow 98.5 points per game.


    T-Wolves are 30th ranked in defense effiency. (dead last)
    T-Wolves allow 109.7 points per 100 possessions.


    *side note before continuing
    That 109.7 points allowed per 100 possessions number is attrocious.
    Very rarely in this NBA era does a team allow more than 110 points / per 100

    PACE (Pace factor) or number of possessions a team averages.
    (both Hawks and T-Wolves don't average 100 possessions a game)

    Hawks are 15th (right in the middle) ranked.

    Hawks average 96.2 possessions a game.


    Yet the Hakwks are among the league leaders in points scored per 100 possessions.
    Are the Hawks a slow team? Hardly, they don't miss many shots.
    They are a passing team that stresses catch and release (we covered this 10 day or so ago) that doesn't need to shoot at the very first oppurtunity.


    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-darlings.html

    Looking at the TS% stat, which combines all shooting, free throws, everything related to shooting, Hawks are the second best shooting team regarding accuracy, effiencency, etc.

    Only the Warriors are better, Clips are up there too, but Hawks are lethal shooting the ball.


    T-Wolves average about two more possessions per 100,(they average for arguments sake, call it even.) Wolves games average 98 possessions exactly 98.0


    Since the Hawks (and the Wolves) don't exactly average 100 possessions a game, close though, Hawks don't score 106.9, when you multiply 106.9 x .962, never mind, I'll save you the math, Hawks average 103 and change a game, in an average game, but this not an average game. Not even close.


    T-Wolves allow 107 against in a 100 possession game.


    However, Hawks will probably see a lot more possessions this game, why?
    They are +2 in take away/give aways. and the T-Wolves turn the ball over at an alarming rate.
    The analyticals say Hawks will be +5 tonight in turnovers.
    That's six extra points right there.
    Hawks are a good rebounding team, the Wolves are 27th worst accurate shooting team in the NBA, the analyticals show Hawks will get 9 extra points in transistion.


    Here are the betting lines.


    Hawks -18
    Total 200


    Team totals
    Hawks 111
    Wolves 89


    The analyticals, just the math people, all things math regarding this game crunched into my computer, just the math, still have to play the game on the hard court.


    Computer says Hawks win


    113.5
    93.2


    Do with these numbers as you wish.

    Oh, not for nothing, Wolves allow the most points to shooting guards in the NBA
    You might want to load up on Korver prop bets.

    Wolves all the 2nd to most points to small forwards, check out Carroll props
    And 2nd to most to most points to power forwards, look for Milsap to go postal tonight on the Wolves too


    Have fun people, I'm going to play some props, only thing I am worried about in prop betting is garbage time
  • Big Bear
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 11-01-11
    • 43253

    #2
    pretty damn tempting to take the 17 points!

    they cant cover every game can they ?
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    • lakerboy
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 04-02-09
      • 94379

      #3
      bear take the ml +3000 at pinny.
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      • newguy
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        • 12-27-09
        • 6100

        #4
        Don't bet a ton of NBA - pretty rarely really - but what are stats on teams covering that kind of number? That seems like a lot of points even for a very hot team no?
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        • broadway6
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 11-14-09
          • 13337

          #5
          Golden state is -18 too. Can they both cover?
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          • James Marques
            SBR MVP
            • 03-04-14
            • 1605

            #6
            Nash ya gotta compare those defensive stats against the league median numbers. Hawks are scoring very efficiently against much better defenses than Minnesota's. Theoretically, they would be even more efficient against a sub-par defense like theirs. After that, the spread will be even bigger. Subtract home court advantage amd you'll see it is too close to the number to be worth betting.
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            • stevenash
              Moderator
              • 01-17-11
              • 65661

              #7
              Originally posted by James Marques
              Nash ya gotta compare those defensive stats against the league median numbers. Hawks are scoring very efficiently against much better defenses than Minnesota's. Theoretically, they would be even more efficient against a sub-par defense like theirs. After that, the spread will be even bigger. Subtract home court advantage amd you'll see it is too close to the number to be worth betting.
              It is close to the number, I get Hawks -19.2
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              • 44 Mag
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                • 10-14-13
                • 34490

                #8
                Nash, that is a very well thought out and analytical solution. But the NBA being what it is, why would the Hawks kill themselves over this game. I mean, they could have such a large lead and then rest everybody. They are not known for that like say Pop's, but possible.
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                • James Marques
                  SBR MVP
                  • 03-04-14
                  • 1605

                  #9
                  Originally posted by stevenash
                  It is close to the number, I get Hawks -19.2
                  Would you lay 18 points on what you think will be a 19 point game? On the road? I wouldn't.
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                  • DOM-Ganador
                    SBR MVP
                    • 05-30-12
                    • 4479

                    #10
                    Not touching the game, but there are any # of ways the Wolves cover that huge #, and only 1 way the Hawks do.
                    1 bad 1/4 by Hawks, 24 points lead going into 4th and win by 15 easy/peazy.
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                    • stevenash
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                      • 01-17-11
                      • 65661

                      #11
                      Originally posted by James Marques
                      Would you lay 18 points on what you think will be a 19 point game? On the road? I wouldn't.
                      No, but I had time this morning, so I started fukking around with numbers, then I had more coffee, so I kept crunching some more numbers, than I started crunching baseball numbers, and I determined that the best futures bet is over 77.5 win for the Padres this year.
                      Then the dog had to take a dump, so I stopped crunching numbers so the dog could crunch.
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                      • Smoke
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                        • 10-09-09
                        • 48111

                        #12
                        Originally posted by stevenash
                        No, but I had time this morning, so I started fukking around with numbers, then I had more coffee, so I kept crunching some more numbers, than I started crunching baseball numbers, and I determined that the best futures bet is over 77.5 win for the Padres this year.
                        Then the dog had to take a dump, so I stopped crunching numbers so the dog could crunch.
                        Good one steve
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                        • Aye J Mac
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                          • 07-13-12
                          • 5424

                          #13
                          Hawks all in
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                          • Bluehorseshoe
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                            • 07-13-06
                            • 15004

                            #14
                            I'm trying to talk myself out of betting Minny right now.......but I think I'm going to do it anyway.
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                            • 44 Mag
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                              • 10-14-13
                              • 34490

                              #15
                              For what it is worth: Atlanta despite all their wins is not usually a high scoring team at home. Todays TT is 109. Conversely, Minn. has allowed over 109 PPG 16X this year = 38% of the time. Doubt this is of any value. Oh yes, Atlanta has achieved that over only 5X this year. Info. only.
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                              • stevenash
                                Moderator
                                • 01-17-11
                                • 65661

                                #16
                                Originally posted by 44 Mag
                                For what it is worth: Atlanta despite all their wins is not usually a high scoring team at home. Todays TT is 109. Conversely, Minn. has allowed over 109 PPG 16X this year = 38% of the time. Doubt this is of any value. Oh yes, Atlanta has achieved that over only 5X this year. Info. only.
                                Hawks open up the first 6 minutes disinterested.
                                Sleepwalking
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                                • daneblazer
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                                  • 09-14-08
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                                  #17
                                  Not sure why Zangrief from street fighter 2 keeps jacking up 3's
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                                  • stevenash
                                    Moderator
                                    • 01-17-11
                                    • 65661

                                    #18
                                    Hawks running away with it now.
                                    My God, what a complete team that plays team ball.
                                    No Melo's on that team, no Kobe's on that team.......
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                                    • play4win
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 06-23-11
                                      • 2208

                                      #19
                                      these fools playin for the spead now. what a joke
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                                      • stevenash
                                        Moderator
                                        • 01-17-11
                                        • 65661

                                        #20
                                        Hawks will not cover and all the jabroni's that had them on autoplay lose.
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                                        • play4win
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                                          • 06-23-11
                                          • 2208

                                          #21
                                          maybe next breakdown should be if it will be a trap or not!
                                          the fackin starting 5 for atlanta playin till end of game and not covering.
                                          there was the trap.
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                                          • lakerboy
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 04-02-09
                                            • 94379

                                            #22
                                            Twolves + easy winner.
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                                            • t-wizzle
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                                              • 12-18-09
                                              • 38099

                                              #23
                                              Most random thread ever. Why are we doing a breakdown of the Wolves and Hawks?
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                                              • stevenash
                                                Moderator
                                                • 01-17-11
                                                • 65661

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by t-wizzle
                                                Most random thread ever. Why are we doing a breakdown of the Wolves and Hawks?
                                                Because I was up at 5am and was messing around with numbers.

                                                Plus my randonm threads are legendary.
                                                (or not)
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                                                • jjgold
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                                                  • 07-20-05
                                                  • 388179

                                                  #25
                                                  Nashy put away the stats

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