We can stop debating Brady-Manning now

[jjgold]

Patriots also got beat in 2 fluke superbows so spy gate meant nothing

[Ratzz]

Patriots also got beat in 2 fluke superbows so spy gate meant nothing

you can't start going 'fluke' this or 'fluke' that..

he played a 'Manning' in those and Brady missed wide-open receivers. Eli did not.

Brady did not inspire his teammates to make insane catches that were extremely well covered.
and ELI did.

Eli hit his guys when it mattered most. Late in the 4th Qtr, on game winning Touchdown drives.

Brady does not have Superbowl nerves.

[Ratzz]

Patriots also got beat in 2 fluke superbows so spy gate meant nothing

LOL.. 0-2 is NOT 'flukey'

an absolute value cannot be flukey

[Jeffie]

LOL.. 0-2 is NOT 'flukey'

an absolute value cannot be flukey

You're wasting your time here, these are the same ppl who will suck Mannings cawk when he wins SB this year.

[sneakerhead]

You're wasting your time here, these are the same ppl who will suck Mannings cawk when he wins SB this year.

Is his taste still in your mouth from last years loss? I'm sure he broke some stats in that game too

[jjgold]

Brady also has one of strongest arms of all times at QB postion

[Jeffie]

Is his taste still in your mouth from last years loss? I'm sure he broke some stats in that game too

Last i checked he beat Brady to get there, you still mad Brady wasnt in SB?
Im not a Manning homer just find it funny ppl are sucking brady off.

[Jeffie]

Brady also has one of strongest arms of all times at QB postion

[t-wizzle]

Unfukkinrale.

Peyton Manning fanboy is laughing about Brady's arm. Now I KNOW you don't actually watch the game.

[Ratzz]

You're wasting your time here, these are the same ppl who will suck Mannings cawk when he wins SB this year.

lol

hmm.. let's see that's what you said 7 yrs ago... (Eli + Giants)

then 6 yrs ago (injury)

5 yrs ago... (Ravens/Wildcard)

4 yrs ago (Jets)

3 yrs ago.. (Giants AGAIN!!)

2 yrs ago...(Ravens with ZERO PTS in the 2nd Half AT HOME)

LAST year... (Broncos.. with ONLY 3 measly pts on the board at the beginning of the 4th)

we've heard it all before

[Jeffie]

Unfukkinrale.

Peyton Manning fanboy is laughing about Brady's arm. Now I KNOW you don't actually watch the game.

Im laughing at that statement. T wizzle if you agree with JJ then i know ur the biggest troll here.

[t-wizzle]

Brady has an excellent arm. He can make all the throws. Manning cannot. That's why he gets embarrassed against tight defenses especially in cold weather games.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand this.

[raydog]

when the pats travel to denver and beat manning, get at me... its obvious how much home field means to both qbs ..

[Ra77er]

Im back and ready to debate the fukk outta this shit

[Ra77er]

[Ratzz]

Brady has an excellent arm. He can make all the throws. Manning cannot. That's why he gets embarrassed against tight defenses especially in cold weather games.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand this.

how then does Brady overthrow wide-open receivers in Championship games.. and Superbowls?

what is the 'source' of the choke?

[rocky16]

you can't start going 'fluke' this or 'fluke' that..

he played a 'Manning' in those and Brady missed wide-open receivers. Eli did not.

Brady did not inspire his teammates to make insane catches that were extremely well covered.
and ELI did.

Eli hit his guys when it mattered most. Late in the 4th Qtr, on game winning Touchdown drives.

Brady does not have Superbowl nerves.

Brady does not have Superbowl nerves that's why he led his team on two game winning drives against Carolina and as 14 point dog against rams when fatass john Madden said he should've knelt and went to OT. In loss to giants he led his team on a would be game winning TD drive before the fluke helmet catch. He has 11 TDs and 2 picks in superbowls for a QB rating of 94. He's 4th all time in TD passes. 5th all time in yards passed. 3rd all time in wins. 1st in playoff wins. He has the stats he has the wins. He's the very definition of a winner.

Montana being 4-0 in superbowls is a weak argument. In the NFC championship game before his 1st SB win he threw 3 picks against Dallas. Only had 157 yards passing in the SB that season. In the 2nd SB run he had 3 TDs and 3 picks prior to the SB. His defense gave up 3 points in those games. They carried him the the SB. The next 3 seasons his teams were one and done in the playoffs.Montana played lime crap in those games. His teams scored 3 fgs in those games. Montana had 0 TDs and 4 picks and a 50 rating in those games. He was even pulled against an 8-7 vikings team he was so bad. The last two SB runs he played amazing but people forget he wasn't this unbeatable winner he's made out to be.

Not to discredit Montana but he had his flaws. Every QB has flaws. Brady is no exception but he's one of the greatest QBs of all time and his career is not complete. He's most certainly better that Manning and comes up bigger when it counts the most. That can't be debated.

[Jeffie]

Brady has an excellent arm. He can make all the throws. Manning cannot. That's why he gets embarrassed against tight defenses especially in cold weather games.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand this.

You really are the joke of the forum. You cant even read, he said strongest arm you dipshet.
Manning cant make all of the throws Brady can are you fawkin kidding me?

[Ra77er]

Sneaker how could you not get enraged by that....Im pissed no one took the bait

[rocky16]

lol

hmm.. let's see that's what you said 7 yrs ago... (Eli + Giants)

then 6 yrs ago (injury)

5 yrs ago... (Ravens/Wildcard)

4 yrs ago (Jets)

3 yrs ago.. (Giants AGAIN!!)

2 yrs ago...(Ravens with ZERO PTS in the 2nd Half AT HOME)

LAST year... (Broncos.. with ONLY 3 measly pts on the board at the beginning of the 4th)

we've heard it all before

You can pick apart every great QB. I'll tell you though if Brady goes out and win the SB this season and there is a strong chance of that occurring considering right now they're the best team in the NFL then he'll have won 4 and been to 6. He'll have been to 8 championship games. No QB will be able to say the same. And as it stands there is no decline. He has 22 TDs and 3 picks on the season proving his decline is a fallacy. The patriots are set up to be viable contenders for the next 4 seasons. Can Denver say the same? Manning's window is closing faster than Brady's. So he better win and win now. The problem for him is NE is the better team now and Brady is the better QB with the better arm and in weather can make all the throws which manning cannot. So you go ahead and troll the forum and you take the QB with most playoff losses in NFL history who pukes on his cleats when he goes into Foxboro and I'll take the QB who's the superior winner.

[t-wizzle]

Manning cant make all of the throws Brady can are you fawkin kidding me?

No and the fact that you think he can proves how clueless you are, tank top.

[texhooper]

jesus this thread is still going.

[blankoblanco]

Didn't read previous posts, but fwiw I expected Brady to beat Manning at home. I also think Manning is a favorite to win in Denver. So what? Both are great HOF QBs in slightly different ways. QB battles aren't 1v1s. They play against the opposing team's defense. Not really Manning's fault if the opposing team doesn't stop Brady and vice versa

[slacker00]

My point is that Peyton HAS won a legitimate Superbowl.

Brady has not.

Until the NFL goes Lance Armstrong on the Pats, you and the butt hurt Peyton fan club are the only ones that care.

[greenhippo]

no-no.. YOU get over Spygate. Don't talk about 'more' rings when none of them are clean.

Peyton has won in the last 10 yrs.. Brady has not

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3/06/2011 12:39 PM

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Ratzz

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[Ratzz]

Until the NFL goes Lance Armstrong on the Pats, you and the butt hurt Peyton fan club are the only ones that care.

Goodel would have it the circumstances were restricted to a single individual..
but the scope of the infraction is too vast.. too many lives are in play.

Pete Rose gambling on other MLB games is a far lesser crime than Belichik's was

[zizoudane10]

Didn't read previous posts, but fwiw I expected Brady to beat Manning at home. I also think Manning is a favorite to win in Denver. So what? Both are great HOF QBs in slightly different ways. QB battles aren't 1v1s. They play against the opposing team's defense. Not really Manning's fault if the opposing team doesn't stop Brady and vice versa

I'd say you'd expect Manning to be a favorite to win in Denver. Like you'd expect Brady to do it at home. Agreed.

But on the other hand: When it comes to the guys receiving their passes: Manning's guys are better. And not only this year. But still Brady is able to beat his ass, what is he now, 11:5 I guess? Brady is the better QB when it comes to adjusting. Plus he is the better guy under pressure. Manning with 438 yards and he still gets his ass kicked? "Not Manning's fault" - yes, to a degree. When you look at the game yesterday - maybe Brady made the smarter plays? Under pressure. Just have a look at what kind of passes are completed just because of Brady! Not because of his Receivers. And he had a few of those passes in the game we are talking about. If I had a mediocre team and could choose just between those 2: it's Brady for me. Any day of the week, any weather, any circumstances. He makes good players better because of what he does. Manning needs a good team more than Brady - but thats just my opinion here. And I'm not even a big football fan.

[slacker00]

Goodel would have it the circumstances were restricted to a single individual..
but the scope of the infraction is too vast.. too many lives are in play.

Pete Rose gambling on other MLB games is a far lesser crime than Belichik's was

You've gotta be nuts. Pete Rose was banned for life, Belichick never missed a single game, spygate was trivial.

Team sports have vacated titles, look at 2004 USC. Even the Saints bountygate had tons of suspensions.

[Ratzz]

You've gotta be nuts. Pete Rose was banned for life, Belichick never missed a single game, spygate was trivial.

Team sports have vacated titles, look at 2004 USC. Even the Saints bountygate had tons of suspensions.

that was a personal beef. Not a commensurate punishment for Roses infractions.

Bountygate was terrible. Careers can be lost, a severe injury may cost a man and his family,
tens of millions of dollars. Not sure if enough on that one.

[slacker00]

that was a personal beef. Not a commensurate punishment for Roses infractions.

Rose's behavior undermined the integrity of the game, nothing else could have been done. How do you excuse him?

[Ratzz]

Rose's behavior undermined the integrity of the game, nothing else could have been done. How do you excuse him?

of course it did. i am not defending Rose's behavior in any way..

but secretly taping the personnel and in-game hand signals is an effort to disable your opponent,
in order to win close games that you may otherwise lose.

that is a far greater moral violation that wagering money on outcomes.


what is worse? (let's us apply the lens of this paradigm to the circumstances of our own behavior)

a) people hanging out in a forum trying to figure out who is going to win a game...?

-- or --

b) people assembling to discuss how to rig games?


big difference.

[BeanTownClown88]

There goes Eli and another losing season. It's not debatable that Brady has a better arm and he's more mobile. He juked out D Ware and then threw a lazer to gronk on 3rd down. Manning was 3-11 on 3rd and 0-4 on 4th..It's true they don't play against each other at the same time but we can still rephrase the statement...

Denver has the better D..or so we thought..Brady puts up more scores on Denver's D than Peyton put up on NE's..One guy was throwing missiles to his wr's and te's while the other was throwing high balls that were able to be met by 3 defensive players before it came down to the ground. Someone can come and tell us how good Eli is..or they can just watch highlights of last night and look at the Giants records that involves getting SHUT OUT to the Eagles

[rocky16]

of course it did. i am not defending Rose's behavior in any way..

but secretly taping the personnel and in-game hand signals is an effort to disable your opponent,
in order to win close games that you may otherwise lose.

that is a far greater moral violation that wagering money on outcomes.


what is worse? (let's us apply the lens of this paradigm to the circumstances of our own behavior)

a) people hanging out in a forum trying to figure out who is going to win a game...?

-- or --

b) people assembling to discuss how to rig games?


big difference.

It wasn't a secret you Numbskull.

[slacker00]

It wasn't a secret you Numbskull.

Yep. Similar to an offensive lineman holding and eating the penalty rather than letting the QB get blindsided, sometimes they can get away with it and sometimes it draws a flag. Pats were bending the rules, looking for a strategic advantage, just like every other NFL team every single Sunday, except the Pats got flagged and ate the penalty. This whole "spygate" argument is the same as a home-ster crying foul after a loss because the refs affected the game one way or another.

[rocky16]

Yep. Similar to an offensive lineman holding and eating the penalty rather than letting the QB get blindsided, sometimes they can get away with it and sometimes it draws a flag. Pats were bending the rules, looking for a strategic advantage, just like every other NFL team every single Sunday, except the Pats got flagged and ate the penalty. This whole "spygate" argument is the same as a home-ster crying foul after a loss because the refs affected the game one way or another.

Been 7 years now. Time to let it go. Everyone was stealing signals that's why the league finally instituted mics in defensive players helmets. This idea that New England only won superbowls because they were taping signals is pure ignorance. Just an excuse. A losers mentality. These losers need to focking move on.