Hate to say it Yasiel Puig is totally screwing the people he owes and he is scum

[James D]

1 They paid Puig money (25k total ) for months while he was in Cuba before he defected

2 The smugglers got Puig out of Cuba but MORE IMPORTANT they took him to Mexico first. That he established residence in Mexico, which he could have never afforded to do without these people. This means he is a free agent when he comes to America. If he did not live in Mexico first he goes into the MLB draft and does not get free agency . The 42 million dollar over six years contract he got from dodgers he would not have gotten and he would have received less then 500k per year. the smugglers made Puig more then 35 million dollars by taking him through Mexico.

Puig not only screwed the people he promised to help and pay he also sent people to jail in cuba tor even offering to help him defect. One of these men was assassinated and why is unclear. Puig is a POS and should do right by the people that risked their lives and their freedom to better his and their lives by helping him. Now he made his life so he says screw them

He is a worthless POS

[TheCentaur]

Probably some truth to this

However most of these people are POS too, kind of like criticizing a player for not paying a dealer who helped him cheat the house

[SamDiamond]

You are upset with people who smuggle human beings for a living?

Oh yeah, they're just a great bunch of people....

The people who smuggled Puig to Mexico are drug lords and Cuban Mafia.

They extorted Puig and his family.

Fuk them.

5 fuking times Puig tried to defect to Mexico---

And the bit about free agency and living in Mexico is a stretch....any player that defects from Cuba must seek asylum from a country-- Aroldis Chapman chose Andorra.. and was able to sign with Cincinnati for 35 million, same for Jose Abreu....who signed a 68 million dollar deal, he defected to the DR.

There is nothing special about Mexico that allowed Puig to sign his deal.... All Star Cuban ballplayers have been able to lock up great deals-- Puig, Chapman, Abreu...

Mexico just happens to be where Puig was smuggled to.

[James D]

A few people involved , though not many are scum for sure. However the ones driving a speed boat into Cuba to steal the most prized Cuban asset in the world are risking prison torture and death. They do it to better their families lives not Puigs families lives. They should not get screwed when chump change to the man they freed would change everything to them.

Smuggling to Mexico is not a coincidence it would have been easier to get him into USA . Smuggled to Mexico Increased his contract by 35-38 million dollars. These guys had the plan he could have never executed . Not saying Mexico specifically matters , however taking him to another country and having resources waiting he could have never pulled off

[Ghenghis Kahn]

don't blame puig, blame cuba.

look at the big picture.

[TwoWays]

puig just dropped a routine fly ball being lazy. he threw the guy out at 2nd cause it was shallow but seriously, dodgers need to do something about his work ethic and attitude.

[James D]

You are upset with people who smuggle human beings for a living?

Oh yeah, they're just a great bunch of people....

The people who smuggled Puig to Mexico are drug lords and Cuban Mafia.

They extorted Puig and his family.

Fuk them.

5 fuking times Puig tried to defect to Mexico---

And the bit about free agency and living in Mexico is a stretch....any player that defects from Cuba must seek asylum from a country-- Aroldis Chapman chose Andorra.. and was able to sign with Cincinnati for 35 million, same for Jose Abreu....who signed a 68 million dollar deal, he defected to the DR.

There is nothing special about Mexico that allowed Puig to sign his deal.... All Star Cuban ballplayers have been able to lock up great deals-- Puig, Chapman, Abreu...

Mexico just happens to be where Puig was smuggled to.

They didn't smuggle him as a prisoner against his will. He walked for two days to get to them, sounds pretty willing to me. In actuality they freed him from slavery to allow him untold wealth. The 200k he promised men who risked their lives doesn't sound like much of a price.

What about the guy Puig told the Cuban officials was trying to help him defect that was sent to Cuban prison and tortured for seven years?

Cuban players can come to America first then they are in the draft. The reason they don't is to get the untold wealth. They could not do it without the people risking their lives to get him out do Cuba . These players are savvy enough to go to another county first and then savvy enough to screw the people that got them out.

[James D]

don't blame puig, blame cuba.

look at the big picture.

I don't blame Puig for the politics of the world but the fact remains he could help the people that literally gave him his life. I am not talking about cartel bosses and drug lords. I am talking about men who snuck into Cuba in the dark of night risking their lives . They were promised 200k, that is ten days of salary. Ten days of Puig's salary would change the lives of the men who risked their lives to free him and he would rather give them nothing. This is 100% wrong. Ten days of salary is that they were promised, the men who took all the risk. Ten g-d damn days of salary for the life he was given and he elects not to give them anything.

[SamDiamond]

I don't blame Puig for the politics of the world but the fact remains he could help the people that literally gave him his life. I am not talking about cartel bosses and drug lords. I am talking about men who snuck into Cuba in the dark of night risking their lives . They were promised 200k, that is ten days of salary. Ten days of Puig's salary would change the lives of the men who risked their lives to free him and he would rather give them nothing. This is 100% wrong. Ten days of salary is that they were promised, the men who took all the risk. Ten g-d damn days of salary for the life he was given and he elects not to give them anything.

I'm curious James...

How did you learn so much about the People who smuggled Puig?

And how do you know they are such fine upstanding men?

[James D]

I'm curious James...

How did you learn so much about the People who smuggled Puig?

And how do you know they are such fine upstanding men?

You are mistaken on both points Sam. I never said I know much about them at all. I will say I can guarantee you the guys on the boat going into Cuba risking torture prison and execution are not the bosses. They are the low level guys who are expendable risking everything for virtually nothing.

Don't recall ever saying they were fine upstanding men either. I know no more about them personally then I do about Yasiel Puig. I do know that without these men Puig is in Cuba not LA. I also know that these men want what amounts to ten days salary for getting him out of hell and into paradise and he decided he doesn't want to give it to them, even though he agreed to do so.

[SamDiamond]

You are mistaken on both points Sam. I never said I know much about them at all. I will say I can guarantee you the guys on the boat going into Cuba risking torture prison and execution are not the bosses. They are the low level guys who are expendable risking everything for virtually nothing.

Don't recall ever saying they were fine upstanding men either. I know no more about them personally then I do about Yasiel Puig. I do know that without these men Puig is in Cuba not LA. I also know that these men want what amounts to ten days salary for getting him out of hell and into paradise and he decided he doesn't want to give it to them, even though he agreed to do so.

Did someone hold a gun to their head and demand they risk their lives to get Puig?

Because something tells me that was their decision as well

[jjgold]

He will get it someday

He is a loser

Dodgers should trade him

[Dirty Sanchez]

1 They paid Puig money (25k total ) for months while he was in Cuba before he defected

2 The smugglers got Puig out of Cuba but MORE IMPORTANT they took him to Mexico first. That he established residence in Mexico, which he could have never afforded to do without these people. This means he is a free agent when he comes to America. If he did not live in Mexico first he goes into the MLB draft and does not get free agency . The 42 million dollar over six years contract he got from dodgers he would not have gotten and he would have received less then 500k per year. the smugglers made Puig more then 35 million dollars by taking him through Mexico.

Puig not only screwed the people he promised to help and pay he also sent people to jail in cuba tor even offering to help him defect. One of these men was assassinated and why is unclear. Puig is a POS and should do right by the people that risked their lives and their freedom to better his and their lives by helping him. Now he made his life so he says screw them

He is a worthless POS

You know this personally? or is this from a media source? If it's from the media you're basing your opinion on what a fish hack has put out there on what sources they deem "creditable" Aligning yourself with human traffickers and calling people pieces of crap when you only know what you read is a pretty interesting stance to take....foolish...but interesting none the less. Live in the guys shoes for a few days then criticize him maybe?

[James D]

Did someone hold a gun to their head and demand they risk their lives to get Puig?

Because something tells me that was their decision as well

No no guns to their heads. Same question, did someone put a gun to Puig's head and force him it make promises that he then didn't deliver on? Even though those promises if he kept them would have virtually no effect on his life.

they risked their lives because they were promised something by Puig and now he got what he wants so he figures they can just starve. Why give up ten days salary. He got his perfect life now so screw the little nothing's that made it possible.

[SamDiamond]

No no guns to their heads. Same question, did someone put a gun to Puig's head and force him it make promises that he then didn't deliver on? Even though those promises if he kept them would have virtually no effect on his life.

they risked their lives because they were promised something by Puig and now he got what he wants so he figures they can just starve. Why give up ten days salary. He got his perfect life now so screw the little nothing's that made it possible.

How do you know they were promised any more than he already has paid?

Puig has already paid 2.3 million dollars to 3 men (Documented Court Records) to get him into Mexico-- and these scumbags have now taken to threatening Puig's family.

2.3 million dollars should cover everyone who was involved with getting Puig to Mexico.. anyone else crying is trying to extort money from him just because he has cash.

[James D]

You know this personally? or is this from a media source? If it's from the media you're basing your opinion on what a fish hack has put out there on what sources they deem "creditable" Aligning yourself with human traffickers and calling people pieces of crap when you only know what you read is a pretty interesting stance to take....foolish...but interesting none the less. Live in the guys shoes for a few days then criticize him maybe?

You guys keep calling them human traffickers I say he was emancipated from slavery. Let's let the dictionary decide. That you call these men human traffickers is actually the foolish position

Let's read the definitions and tell me if you still think human trafficking is a better description in this situation then emancipation?


Human trafficking is the trade in humans, most commonly for the purpose of sexual slavery, forced labor or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others;[1][2] or for the extraction of organs or tissues,[3][4] including surrogacy and ova removal;[5] or for providing a spouse in the context of forced marriage.[6][7][8] Human trafficking can occur within a country or trans-nationally. Human trafficking is a crime against the person because of the violation of the victim's rights of movement through coercion and because of their commercial exploitation. Human trafficking is the trade in people, and does not necessarily involve the movement of the person from one place to another.

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e·man·ci·pate (ĭ-măn′sə-pāt′)
tr.v. e·man·ci·pat·ed, e·man·ci·pat·ing, e·man·ci·pates
1. To free from bondage, oppression, or restraint; liberate.
2. Law To release (a child) from the control of parents or a guardian.
[Latin ēmancipāre, ēmancipāt- : ē-, ex-, ex- + mancipāre, to sell, transfer (from manceps, mancip-, purchaser; see man-2 in Indo-European roots).]
e·man′ci·pa′tive, e·man′ci·pa·to′ry (-pə-tôr′ē, -tōr′ē) adj.
e·man′ci·pa′tor n.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
emancipate (ɪˈmænsɪˌpeɪt)
vb (tr)
1. to free from restriction or restraint, esp social or legal restraint
2. (often passive) to free from the inhibitions imposed by conventional morality
3. to liberate (a slave) from bondage
[C17: from Latin ēmancipāre to give independence (to a son), from mancipāre to transfer property, from manceps a purchaser; see manciple]
eˈmanciˌpated adj eˈmanciˌpative adj eˈmanciˌpator eˈmancipist n emancipatory adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994,
e•man•ci•pate (ɪˈmæn səˌpeɪt)


v.t. -pat•ed, -pat•ing.
1. to free from restraint.
2. to free (a slave) from bondage.
3. Roman and Civil Law. to end paternal control over; give full legal rights to.
[1615–25; < Latin ēmancipātus, past participle of ēmancipāre=ē- e- + mancipāre to formally alienate, sell]
e•man′ci•pa`tive, adj.
e•man′ci•pa`tor, n.
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
emancipate - Means "to free from legal, political, social control or restraint by others," and "to free from bondage." The word's Latin elements are manus, "hand," and capere, "to take," and first meant "to release or set free."
Verb 1. emancipate - give equal rights to; of women and minorities
liberate
change state, turn - undergo a transformation or a change of position or action; "We turned from Socialism to Capitalism"; "The people turned against the President when he stole the election"
2. emancipate - free from slavery or servitude
manumit
set free, liberate - grant freedom to; "The students liberated their slaves upon graduating from the university"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
emancipate
verb free, release, liberate, set free, deliver, discharge, let out, let loose, untie, unchain, enfranchise, unshackle, disencumber, unfetter, unbridle, disenthral, manumit the war which preserved the Union and emancipated the slaves


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emancipate [ɪˈmænsɪpeɪt] VT [+ women, slaves] → emancipar (fig) → liberar
Collins Spanish Dictionary - Complete and Unabridged 8th Edition 2005
emancipate (iˈmӕnsipeit) verb
to set free from slavery or other strict or unfair control. emancipar eˌmanciˈpation noun



If you use the very simplistic argument of having to live in a guys shoes before you can judge them or their actions you can have no opinion on anything from Al qaeda to mother Teresa. I was never been a nun in India or a terrorist in Afghanistan but I have opinions on both.

That he didn't compensate the men that actually freed him is not in dispute. Also his "no comment" speaks volumes.

[James D]

How do you know they were promised any more than he already has paid?

Puig has already paid 2.3 million dollars to 3 men (Documented Court Records) to get him into Mexico-- and these scumbags have now taken to threatening Puig's family.

2.3 million dollars should cover everyone who was involved with getting Puig to Mexico.. anyone else crying is trying to extort money from him just because he has cash.

Just because something is in "documented court records " doesn't prove anything. If you believe it does then I also assume you believe the man suing Puig for telling Cuban authorities falsely that he was offering to get Puig out if Cuba. That man did years in prison and claims he was tortured because of Puig's lies. It is in "documented court records" so I assume you believe this man completely .

[James D]

Arguing back and forth until everything comes to light will accomplish little. I have my opinion on what's happened and some of you have opposite opinions. The future will tell the story much better then we can tell it today. I am really confident my position will be proven correct and I am sure you guys feel the same way about your position. Time will tell

[teaserpleaser]

sorry james but not a single fukk given if some crooked fukk in Cuba or some cartel member didn't get their money sorry if anybody got hurt/died but all I care about is him in dodger blue. I don't ask how sausage is made because I probably don't want to know same here its all over our sports radio here in LA so its kind of unavoidable but yeah as long as hes playing right field for the dodgers not a single fukk is given.

[jjgold]

He is a punk period

LA knows it too ad will have to move him if his bad attitude continues

[SamDiamond]

You guys keep calling them human traffickers I say he was emancipated from slavery. Let's let the dictionary decide. That you call these men human traffickers is actually the foolish position

You want to use definitions? Fine.

Here's one for Human Smuggling.

1. [COLOR=#212121 !important]Human smuggling
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2. Human smuggling is a business transaction between two willing parties involving movement across borders, usually by illegal means. It occurs with the consent of a person(s), and the transaction usually ends upon arrival. Human trafficking is a violation of basic humanrights which can occur across and within borders.
   
   
   
   
   

[pavyracer]

I can't believe some people are defending the smugglers..the worst scum of the earth.

[pavyracer]

He is a punk period

LA knows it too ad will have to move him if his bad attitude continues

They paid him a lot of money. He would be happy to leave and get paid twice by different teams.