What took folks so long to figure this out?

[brooks85]

Those unemployment checks go right back into the economy. Handouts to billion dollar businesses go right back into their accounts. If u have a problem with one why not the other? Should we not give these people the money and put it somewhere else like a bigger handout to Israel? Which of course doesn't go back into our economy. When i had my business i needed people with money in their pockets to succeed. That is how an economy rolls. Any business owner who relies on the public having cash in their pockets but are against this is as about as gullible as it gets.

well, I guess we can say you're right about something, it does get "spent" generally lol

Just going to ignore the green energy payoffs? those were "handouts," solyndra, fisker etc..

well, for oil they go back into the business account and they spend it. There is a reason why USA is going to be the worlds largest oil producer by 2015. We are actually sending oil to canada of all places now. I know that probably doesn't mean anything to you, you probably thought we got our oil from Iraq.

[Thor4140]

Every $360 check you take from the rightful owner, the one who actually earned it, and give away for free damages the economy and hurts the chances of real working people to get ahead.

You say the $360 goes back into the economy but you do realize the $360 was subtracted from the economy? Your logic would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

So u know for a fact that all those people worked only a year and are now getting 90 weeks unemployment? How about the people who have worked 20, 30 years and never took a dime and now needs it? Let me say this slowly okay. When these people spend the money it is way better for the economy than some shit bag banker who took the country to its knees and still got a 20 million dollar bonus on the way out. The money these people get will go right back into the economy unlike the billion dollar handouts (our tax payer money)the oil companies gets while making record breaking profits each and every fukin year.

[RubberKettle]

Unemployment benefits have created zero jobs. Maybe you an explain how they save jobs instead

90 weeks is way too long in the 1st place. This is a fake crisis, many more people haven't been able to keep their doctor or insurance, but Obama does not bother with them.

Obama has no idea what he's doing. Everyone who speaks their mind after dealing with him has only disparaging things to say. He has diminished our standing in the world, added trillions of debt, improved the economy laterally at best and expanded government / regulation to new heights.

[SBR_John]

So u know for a fact that all those people worked only a year and are now getting 90 weeks unemployment? How about the people who have worked 20, 30 years and never took a dime and now needs it? Let me say this slowly okay. When these people spend the money it is way better for the economy than some shit bag banker who took the country to its knees and still got a 20 million dollar bonus on the way out. The money these people get will go right back into the economy unlike the billion dollar handouts (our tax payer money)the oil companies gets while making record breaking profits each and every fukin year.

Say it as slowly as you want, just keep in mind when you take $360 OUT of the economy by way of taxes and add it BACK by way of redistribution you have a net ZERO gain. You think different but you think wrong. It's actually a negative because you have to take $400 out to give out $360(govt wastes the difference running the redistribution machine).

Let's hope they did earn it by working 20-30 years. BTW, ever know a truly hard working person who couldnt find a job for 90 fuggin weeks? Me either.

Your argument fails on both fronts. Its a negative for the economy and 90 weeks is a fair cut off.

[Thor4140]

Say it as slowly as you want, just keep in mind when you take $360 OUT of the economy by way of taxes and add it BACK by way of redistribution you have a net ZERO gain. You think different but you think wrong. It's actually a negative because you have to take $400 out to give out $360(govt wastes the difference running the redistribution machine).

Let's hope they did earn it by working 20-30 years. BTW, ever know a truly hard working person who couldnt find a job for 90 fuggin weeks? Me either.

Your argument fails on both fronts. Its a negative for the economy and 90 weeks is a fair cut off.

Lets say they all go to the local steak shop owner. Now the owner doesn't have to lay off because people are coming back to his shop. Laying of tax paying people that is. Lets say they all are broke now. The steak shop owner now has to layoff. Since they have money the steak shop employee stays and spends his or her check right back into the economy also which goes to the next business and they spend it. On another note it took my girlfriends kid 7 months to get a job graduating with a Biomedical degree from Drexel college. Lets not go to the lazy card because the kid had $200,000 student loans staring him squarely in the eye. You think it is easy for a person who was making 100,000 a year to go grab a job at Mcdonalds? Ur boys who have killed every spending bill to help the economy for simply fighting for power is the reason there are no jobs. U get all this highway work going u put millions back to work. Millions who will force hiring for other businesses who can't handle the volume. That is how an economy works. Not going to wars and giving tax breaks at the same time while letting Wall Street play illegal games bringing the country to its knees. I know ur ilk think it was because people over bought for their homes like a good little puppet would think but reality really isn't a strong suit for u Fox News watchers who by the way were exposed as the least informed people in our country when it comes to anything. Just saying.

[rkelly110]

Adding my 2 cents, the way John thinks, maybe do away with ALL govt jobs. The govt is the largest employer.
All those govt workers are getting paid by us, along with oil subsidies, SS, Medicare, farm subsidies, etc.
I could go on forever. There's not a single person in the US who doesn't get aid from the govt. From birth to grave.

Maybe those who bust on the people who actually need assistance, look in the mirror and say, what do I take from
the govt? That bump on your shoulders is supposed to think.

[Mr KLC]

Time for conservative states to give up, and start seceding.

[RubberKettle]

Lets say they all go to the local steak shop owner. Now the owner doesn't have to lay off because people are coming back to his shop. Laying of tax paying people that is. Lets say they all are broke now. The steak shop owner now has to layoff. Since they have money the steak shop employee stays and spends his or her check right back into the economy also which goes to the next business and they spend it. On another note it took my girlfriends kid 7 months to get a job graduating with a Biomedical degree from Drexel college. Lets not go to the lazy card because the kid had $200,000 student loans staring him squarely in the eye. You think it is easy for a person who was making 100,000 a year to go grab a job at Mcdonalds? Ur boys who have killed every spending bill to help the economy for simply fighting for power is the reason there are no jobs. U get all this highway work going u put millions back to work. Millions who will force hiring for other businesses who can't handle the volume. That is how an economy works. Not going to wars and giving tax breaks at the same time while letting Wall Street play illegal games bringing the country to its knees. I know ur ilk think it was because people over bought for their homes like a good little puppet would think but reality really isn't a strong suit for u Fox News watchers who by the way were exposed as the least informed people in our country when it comes to anything. Just saying.

Nope

[itchypickle]

Adding my 2 cents, the way John thinks, maybe do away with ALL govt jobs. The govt is the largest employer.
All those govt workers are getting paid by us, along with oil subsidies, SS, Medicare, farm subsidies, etc.
I could go on forever. There's not a single person in the US who doesn't get aid from the govt. From birth to grave.

Maybe those who bust on the people who actually need assistance, look in the mirror and say, what do I take from
the govt? That bump on your shoulders is supposed to think.

Aid and benefit ratio to effort and amount of weight carried by the individual is the issue though.

Subsidies to oil/gas are better suited because we as tax payers get immediate benefit from them on a daily basis when we fill up our tanks and drive a car or use the internet to logon to SBR or turn on the AC/Heat to watch a game.....thats all a result of oil/gas industry. Farming subsidies do need tweaking due to the influx of the bigger names screwing over the smaller operations and I'd be more for subsidizing better foods vs the corn industry which is the big farm lobby but again, benefit.

Now consider how much is paid in and by who...and who is receiving more in return regarding SNAP/Disability/unemployment/welfare etc.

[Mr KLC]

I guess liberals believe that trickle down economics work if the money is coming directly from the government, and not from employers.

[19th Hole]

Who's winning

[Thor4140]

Aid and benefit ratio to effort and amount of weight carried by the individual is the issue though.

Subsidies to oil/gas are better suited because we as tax payers get immediate benefit from them on a daily basis when we fill up our tanks and drive a car or use the internet to logon to SBR or turn on the AC/Heat to watch a game.....thats all a result of oil/gas industry. Farming subsidies do need tweaking due to the influx of the bigger names screwing over the smaller operations and I'd be more for subsidizing better foods vs the corn industry which is the big farm lobby but again, benefit.

Now consider how much is paid in and by who...and who is receiving more in return regarding SNAP/Disability/unemployment/welfare etc.

The problem here is that they are making records profits and have no need to get these billion dollar handouts. Its a fuking joke. I started a business and nobody handed me money why the fuk should they be handed money? Fuk i had every swinging dik ttrying to nickle and dime me before i even got started. These pricks get billion dollar handouts while making record profits simply because they are donors to the biggest corrupt group on earth. The big spenders who have nitwits believing they are fiscally conservative. The only time they become fiscally conservative is when a Democrat is in power. Look at their track record. The charts don't lie unless they come from Fox News that is.

[brooks85]

The problem here is that they are making records profits and have no need to get these billion dollar handouts. Its a fuking joke. I started a business and nobody handed me money why the fuk should they be handed money? Fuk i had every swinging dik ttrying to nickle and dime me before i even got started. These pricks get billion dollar handouts while making record profits simply because they are donors to the biggest corrupt group on earth. The big spenders who have nitwits believing they are fiscally conservative. The only time they become fiscally conservative is when a Democrat is in power. Look at their track record. The charts don't lie unless they come from Fox News that is.

unless you're an idiot like yourself and have no idea what you're talking about. You don't even know what the "handouts" are because if you did, you wouldn't call them handouts. You're just a trained monkey and bill maher is your master.

Solyndra was a pure handout for example, an oil company getting a tax break is not. Obamacare was a pure handout for example, guess you forgot about that one. Fiskars, again another example of handout. Notice the difference when an oil company gets a "handout," as you say, as opposed to the others? Of course, you don't, that involves logic.

Thor must have blocked me or something lol, guess he panicked and instead of facing the truth, just ignored it. It's much easier and the brain is very good at doing it.

[LVHerbie]

I reckon if you have been getting an unemployment check for $360 a week for the past 90 fuggin weeks and the democrats want to extend it another 45 weeks you could be bought err convinced to vote democrat.

My guess, since you required to have lost your job to get unemployment, is that most would have been happy to kept a job that paid living wages rather than slum by on peanuts. But I can see how one might have the mental confusion that it was possible to live the high life on $1500 a month after exporting all their company's jobs to a country where those type of wages and no benefits is a high standard of living while at the same time supporting the candidates who most vocally proclaimed the necessity for government to morally prohibit his company's industry.

[brooks85]

My guess, since you required to have lost your job to get unemployment, is that most would have been happy to kept a job that paid living wages rather than slum by on peanuts. But I can see how one might have the mental confusion that it was possible to live the high life on $1500 a month after exporting all their company's jobs to a country where those type of wages and no benefits is a high standard of living while at the same time supporting the candidates who most vocally proclaimed the necessity for government to morally prohibit his company's industry.

well, my guess is most would be happy with a million dollar salary, or a tree that just grows money. It's a shame life isn't fair. Let's go ruin the country for everyone because a small % experienced how unfair life is.

Of course, everything I said was a joke because of two well-known things.

1. most of those unemployed voted for obama which is why they don't get a higher paying job right now or a job at all Simple economics.
2. All of them are in the greatest country in the world when it comes to opportunity, don't like where you are? Don't want to settle for a lower paying job? Well, then go to school and find a degree that is worth getting but beware.. those actually take hard work. And guess what? You might have to slum by on peanuts for a FEW years. I know, just so unfair...

[LVHerbie]

well, my guess is most would be happy with a million dollar salary, or a tree that just grows money. It's a shame life isn't fair. Let's go ruin the country for everyone because a small % experienced how unfair life is.

Of course, everything I said was a joke because of two well-known things.

1. most of those unemployed voted for obama which is why they don't get a higher paying job right now or a job at all Simple economics.
2. All of them are in the greatest country in the world when it comes to opportunity, don't like where you are? Don't want to settle for a lower paying job? Well, then go to school and find a degree that is worth getting but beware.. those actually take hard work. And guess what? You might have to slum by on peanuts for a FEW years. I know, just so unfair...

Cliffnotes: United States is a city on a hill where there are plenty and unlimited jobs and opportunities and wealth is directly correlated with intelligence, success, and hard-work where-as poverty only equates with laziness. Got it.

I find it doubtful you can escape your black and white straw-man utopia mindset so no point in attempting to carry on a discussion with you in the gray reality.

[brooks85]

Good call, since the "gray" reality is for people who make excuses. You either adapt or die; or complain enough they make a new law or extension.

There is actually millions of unfilled STEM jobs in this country, too bad they require an education and hard work. Again, this country is just so unfair. Dangle a big, fancy, high paying job in front of you but you have invest in yourself to get it? Definitely unfair.

[LVHerbie]

Good call, since the "gray" reality is for people who make excuses. You either adapt or die; or complain enough they make a new law or extension.

There is actually millions of unfilled STEM jobs in this country, too bad they require an education and hard work. Again, this country is just so unfair. Dangle a big, fancy, high paying job in front of you but you have invest in yourself to get it? Definitely unfair.

Yep plenty of great high paying jobs that anyone could have except we are all just too unmotivated to acquire skills that easily obtainable to all with hard work. Such a shame us lazy fukks get to keep living large off the crumbs that Obama keeps tossing our way preventing social Darwinism from killing us off instead of mooching from the motivated....

[King Mayan]

[Thor4140]

I find it doubtful you can escape your black and white straw-man utopia mindset so no point in attempting to carry on a discussion with you in the gray reality.

i don't even acknowledge that jackass anymore. He is a union member who is a far right Republican. That is equivalent to being a Democrat who wants guns sold out of a vending machines and abortion abolished. U can't even make this shit up.

[boondoggle]

this thread is a hoot.

[Andy117]

Time for conservative states to give up, and start seceding.

Most conservative states get back more money from the federal government than they send.

[SBR_John]

My guess, since you required to have lost your job to get unemployment, is that most would have been happy to kept a job that paid living wages rather than slum by on peanuts. But I can see how one might have the mental confusion that it was possible to live the high life on $1500 a month after exporting all their company's jobs to a country where those type of wages and no benefits is a high standard of living while at the same time supporting the candidates who most vocally proclaimed the necessity for government to morally prohibit his company's industry.

"Most" can find a job within 90 weeks with minimal effort.

It's unfair to working folks to basically give someone a pension because nearly two years ago he/she lost their job. Even a year at tax payer expense seems like long enough.

[TheGuesser]

Stock market for rich people

They are only ones making killing

its a rich mans rally

It''s also a middle class, working person's market, since so many working people have IRA's and/or 401K's that have benefited greatly from the stock market rise, after suffering greatly from Bush's collapse.

[brooks85]

i don't even acknowledge that jackass anymore. He is a union member who is a far right Republican. That is equivalent to being a Democrat who wants guns sold out of a vending machines and abortion abolished. U can't even make this shit up.

no, you just ignore me because it's either that or face the facts.

[brooks85]

here is a commercial made just for people like thor

[brooks85]

Yep plenty of great high paying jobs that anyone could have except we are all just too unmotivated to acquire skills that easily obtainable to all with hard work. Such a shame us lazy fukks get to keep living large off the crumbs that Obama keeps tossing our way preventing social Darwinism from killing us off instead of mooching from the motivated....

Well, I guess it's good you've accepted it... Enjoy living on those crumbs.

[SBR_John]

Yep plenty of great high paying jobs that anyone could have except we are all just too unmotivated to acquire skills that easily obtainable to all with hard work. Such a shame us lazy fukks get to keep living large off the crumbs that Obama keeps tossing our way preventing social Darwinism from killing us off instead of mooching from the motivated....

What the left is oblivious to is that every dollar you forcibly extract from the economy via taxes reduces the opportunity for prosperity from the working class, unemployed and under employed. The excessive taxation on business and wasteful spending is especially catastrophic to high school grads entering the work force. Jobs are not to be had because businesses that would hire this group can not prosper under a 35% tax rate.

We need to tax and spend far, far less. The right has to give up massive military expenditures and the left has to give up 90 week style entitlement pensions.

[Tully Mars 63]

The right has to give up massive military expenditures and the left has to give up 90 week style entitlement pensions.

Best of luck with either of those ideas.

[SBR_John]

Best of luck with either of those ideas.

Instead of 90 weeks (democrats now asking for 120 weeks LOL), at $360 a week I have a proposal that even liberals will kind of like; Give them 16 weeks at $720 a week. If still unemployed apply and get an emergency 16 weeks at $360 a week. If you are still unemployed at 32 weeks the government will give you a voucher that tells any minimum wage employer the US government will reimburse them for half of the salary for the first 6 months if they will hire him/her.

This is liberals and conservatives working together for a better country!

[Tully Mars 63]

Instead of 90 weeks (democrats now asking for 120 weeks LOL), at $360 a week I have a proposal that even liberals will kind of like; Give them 16 weeks at $720 a week. If still unemployed apply and get an emergency 16 weeks at $360 a week. If you are still unemployed at 32 weeks the government will give you a voucher that tells any minimum wage employer the US government will reimburse them for half of the salary for the first 6 months if they will hire him/her.

This is liberals and conservatives working together for a better country!

I've always thought those getting benefits should have to work to get them. But why only tell minimum wage employers? Why not tell all employers the Feds will reimburse up to $4.50 an hour for the first six months? If all you end up doing is getting folks minium wage jobs I predict folks would still be in need of "help" to support their families. Could you live on min. wage?

Also how do you sell either side on cutting the DOD budget? Dems hate to admit it but when the ______ factory is in the home district or state they have no interest in closing it. That's how we need up with brand new M1 tanks going to a huge parking lot and brand new planes to the airplane graveyard in AZ. Until we just admit some parts of the DOD is nothing but a jobs program we're doomed to keep pouring cash into it.

[rkelly110]

Tully! Long time no hear. Been good?

Back on subject. The Repubs as everyone knows, are stuck in the past. Back in the day @ 5% unemployed, 26 weeks
was sufficient. Today is a whole new ball game. Businesses are doing with out help and making huge profit. They evolved and are more efficient, or can do better with part time help w/o paying benefits.

What pisses me off is corporations dumped their work force on the door step of the govt, instead of just cutting hours
until this mess passed. That one feat alone, hurt this economy more than the two wars, tax cuts and the housing mess.

Corporations should be paying unemployment compensation until unemployment is at 5% again. But, ooooo they might
leave the country. We have to kiss their ass to stay! Fuk that, you want to go? Bring your low income made product
back? You will pay and pay dearly! Corporations need to be shown who's boss!

[brooks85]

Tully! Long time no hear. Been good?

Back on subject. The Repubs as everyone knows, are stuck in the past. Back in the day @ 5% unemployed, 26 weeks
was sufficient. Today is a whole new ball game. Businesses are doing with out help and making huge profit. They evolved and are more efficient, or can do better with part time help w/o paying benefits.

What pisses me off is corporations dumped their work force on the door step of the govt, instead of just cutting hours
until this mess passed. That one feat alone, hurt this economy more than the two wars, tax cuts and the housing mess.

Corporations should be paying unemployment compensation until unemployment is at 5% again. But, ooooo they might
leave the country. We have to kiss their ass to stay! Fuk that, you want to go? Bring your low income made product
back? You will pay and pay dearly! Corporations need to be shown who's boss!

This is another fine example of why it's nearly impossible to educate a liberal. They say something so stupid and inaccurate you don't even know where to begin.

[Tully Mars 63]

I've been running back and forth between here and the US. Mom's been having health problems. Other than that can't complian, thanks for asking and hope all's well with you and yours.

I'm not sure I understand some of your points. I get some corporations seems to care little to zip about the country. They have no obligation to do so either so? People have no obligation to do business with them either. I usually try to shop at Costco rather than Sam's solely due to the fact Costco treats their employees well and pay a living wage. I just read where Starbucks does more or less the same. Not sure I'm willing to fork over $3 for a cup of coffee but I'm more likely to stop in there now then I was before. I think companies that only look at solely the profit loss sheet and not the whole picture are doing themselves and the country harm but passing laws to change their policy doesn't sound very constitutional to me. People have a right to run their businesses they way they see fit and folks have a right to spend their money where they see fit.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Time for conservative states to give up, and start seceding.

Texas will be the first.

Fast forward past the 28 second Taco Rack commercial.