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  • Ced's shadow
    SBR MVP
    • 11-27-09
    • 2986

    #1
    Lines and odds, where do you stand?
    Greetings fellow posters,

    Coming back into SBR after a long time and staying away from the Sportsbooks finally exercising my profession, here I come to you all and let you into some information you should already know but some may not still, if you have any questions, I will be more than glad to help you out to the limit of my own knowledge.

    In this long adventure working at the books I've been from a wagering clerk to the head of a small sportsbook, and it's been fun and I have no complains, that been said, let's cut to the main topic, the lines.

    You all should know there's two ways the sportsbooks publish and move their lines. There's the way I did it myself, posting from scratch as soon as there was market and moving the lines based on the action I was taking or posting them and letting the market lead you, both will be explained next.

    The first one is the basic linesmaker's job, you go ahead and publish the line as soon as you can so you can take as much action as you can, and this is seen in Sportsbooks whose business includes a large portfolio divided into post-up and credit players, but they are the ones sweating the action. With such system you will see the lines periodically changing depending on the action as you all know, but that will depend specifically on the book's preference, some like moving their lines according to single bets making the difference in money bigger on one side than the other, adding all the bets up and considering such difference to lower the fav or some other books base themselves on the infamous hold percentage (lines-wise) and what this means to them, for example, say we wanted a desirable 20% and my line has reached 120/100 action, one side has 20% more action on it making me wanting to lower it. Again, this varies from shop to shop, linesmaker to linesmaker. Now, once a line changes 5 cents, a penny, whatever that will mean a brand new line to the sportsbook since what we live on for is the vig, vigorish, juice, however you want to call it. Gross, it's what we want to balance at the end, from when the line opens to when it closes, but everything is held apart until that point. This last part is just some inner information that does not affect you as a player.

    Now, on to the second point on lines moving, here fall the shops that exist for the sole purpose of selling their business to agents all over the wolrd. THe agents or more commonly known bookies are the ones risking their own money to satisfy their players, not the book but them. Some of these locals have access to some website they rent along with the sportsbook service, some others just take the action themselves the good 'ol way basing what they offer on the market out there. This is the key of this division of the industry, the lines are posted and offered based on what the market has overall. Books that offer this Pay Per Head service to locals wouldn't care about the money that is being layed on the lines, they just publish the action that is available out there and tail such lines to the very end, willing to offer the sharpest lines. That's why you will often see your local offering the exact same line as CRIS, 5Dimes, Pinny, my Grandmother, etc all up to their preference and more specifically the agents preference. Some books even have systems specially designed to mimic such lines to the second while the lines managers worry about what they have open and for who they have it as well as thinking what they'll have the following day. As you may see, it's totally different one from the other.

    What does all this bull I've been writing about help you for? Simple, if you read lines and want to get the best deal at the earliest possible price even if this means 5 minutes before the games, you know what to ask for in case you book with a local or you will know who to pay attention to. In my life I've seen amazing handicappers able to get the edge from a line that just moved as well as the patient ones who wait until the line moves to their goal.

    Happy betting and best regards fellahs, like my buddy Diogee said, on to tomorrow! Booya!
  • Ced's shadow
    SBR MVP
    • 11-27-09
    • 2986

    #2
    By the way, this information is all for major sports, what we call Euro Sports and props moves totally different and I have also been able to experience them both, regards.
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      Cedder winning has nothing to do with stats and capping

      Its all a numbers game period meaning THE LINE

      Good line readers win..mostly everyone else loses
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      • Ced's shadow
        SBR MVP
        • 11-27-09
        • 2986

        #4
        Exactly JJ, but reading the lines let's you maximize your profit when you're confident you're going to win.
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        • jjgold
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 07-20-05
          • 388179

          #5
          I wish I had the balls to takes leans and then bet the other way and make free money later in day or night
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          • Ced's shadow
            SBR MVP
            • 11-27-09
            • 2986

            #6
            JJ, you and your years of experience with the books are valuable, you know trends some others don't, it doesn't take balls, it only takes a sharp eye, some even take advantage of it and prfit from sheer scalps
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            • Ced's shadow
              SBR MVP
              • 11-27-09
              • 2986

              #7
              Hahahaha, I just imagined my poor Grandmother moving lines, hahaha
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              • jjgold
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-20-05
                • 388179

                #8
                Ceds what are you up to know

                In CR???

                Working??

                Gambling??
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                • Ced's shadow
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-27-09
                  • 2986

                  #9
                  All of the above JJ, but now on a more relaxed stance towards the beautiful Sportsbook industry I live in CR stil, I'm working in something else than booking and I'm gambling for the fun of it, life is good my man
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388179

                    #10
                    If I lived in CR I would live with two poor chicks and kind of be their sugar daddy

                    I think only part of sportsbook industry doing well in CR is the credit side
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                    • Ced's shadow
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-27-09
                      • 2986

                      #11
                      Hahahahahaha, trust me man, if you went that way you'd be broke in a couple months, it's sad it got to this point around here, nothing like having a fine girl from Kansas that understands what a real relationship should be like, haha
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                      • jjgold
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-20-05
                        • 388179

                        #12
                        cedrick my dream is to be a pimp in CR or Las Vegas

                        Have chicks around me all day and night asking me for cash

                        Cedrick to you beleive in a line service?? I think they are a waste of money in todays day and age
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                        • Ced's shadow
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-27-09
                          • 2986

                          #13
                          If you plan on doing so, it's much cheaper in CR than in Vegas, trust me on that LOL.

                          Man, the problem with line services nowadays is that there's so many of them, a guy hits a few plays in sports or horses and thinks he's savvy enough to sell them out, that's where the main problem is. Very few of them are worth to tail and even there exists the chance to lose some money, for as little as it may be, it's a loss. I believe in educating players, that too means teaching them what we're talking about, to read the industry as well as the stats.
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                          • jjgold
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 07-20-05
                            • 388179

                            #14
                            Cedrick...

                            www.sbrodds.com is all you need
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                            • Ced's shadow
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-27-09
                              • 2986

                              #15
                              JJ, that and confidence in yourself it's all you need to succeed
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                              • Ced's shadow
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-27-09
                                • 2986

                                #16
                                In case someone needs stuff like this, can you also pass it on to Sportsbook & the Industry please?
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                                • Iwinyourmoney
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 04-18-07
                                  • 18368

                                  #17
                                  Ceddy! By far the nicest poster on SBR.

                                  Welcome back pal
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                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388179

                                    #18
                                    I laugh at guys chasing steam

                                    They lose too..books act like they are killers

                                    so many book managers are real clowns
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                                    • Smoke
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 10-09-09
                                      • 48111

                                      #19
                                      I chase steam in the steam room
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                                      • Ced's shadow
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-27-09
                                        • 2986

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Iwinyourmoney
                                        Ceddy! By far the nicest poster on SBR.

                                        Welcome back pal
                                        THere he is!, hope you're doing well as well good sir
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                                        • Ced's shadow
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-27-09
                                          • 2986

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                          I laugh at guys chasing steam

                                          They lose too..books act like they are killers

                                          so many book managers are real clowns
                                          Sadly some people I've met over the years have a sudden surge of power that destroys their common sense
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                                          • Ced's shadow
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-27-09
                                            • 2986

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Smoke
                                            I chase steam in the steam room
                                            Just have fun Smoke, that's what the whole thing should be about it, making some money while having fun
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                                            • Jayvegas420
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 03-09-11
                                              • 28213

                                              #23
                                              Welcome back!
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                                              • jjgold
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 07-20-05
                                                • 388179

                                                #24
                                                This kid is too technical just bet hunches
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                                                • Jayvegas420
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 03-09-11
                                                  • 28213

                                                  #25
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