Let's get it out in the open - SBR Poker rigged?

[hels]

I won the first 2 SBR tournies I ever played (October 2011) and won another in the following couple of weeks. Since then I think I might have won 1 and play about 4 times a week.

In October 2011 there wasn't 10 week players championships or anything so you'd have 5 players eliminated on the first hand as people would just go all in.

Sure, I guess I could say there is a conspiracy but I am smarter than that. I got lucky and have not had as great a run ever since.

[downsouth]

It all started long ago in a seedy massage parlor in Costa Rica(set up in the back of SBR corporate office). Walker, Lou, Loshak and the rest of the brass were sitting around enjoying the finer things CR has to offer when they concocted the idea of SBR poker. I happened to be witness to this meeting as I had carved peep holes in various parts of SBR corporate office hoping maybe I could catch a view of Natalie, jonelyn or maybe even Annie, unforntunatley all I ever get was various pictures of Lou in a banana hammock and the Loshak toilet cam(surprisingly even when lou goes shirtless I would swear the guy is still wearing a sweater even, obviously Costa Rica hasnt really caught on to the razor anywhere but on their face).

At first SBR poker was just going to be something fun offered to the members as something else they could do with their points, and maybe even a few contest giveaways but those idea quickly turned when the meeting was joined by the diabolical combo of Beerdonk and Gummo. They rode into the meeting on a minotaur carrying eight dead elves over their shoulder that despite being elves all had faces that looked exactly like TTwarrior. This ruthless tandem had the idea that they could use SBR poker as a way to take away the points they gave posters. A huge way to stick it to the liberals, hippies, black people and mexicans (maybe women too) and anyone else who just wanted their fair share. These honest, hard working people had worked real hard to earn their points and SBR was just going to take them and laugh as they all saluted their George Bush posters on the wall. Obama may have been the president but SBR was winning the war. So after deciding that they were going to steal points from liberals, they needed to come up with the list.


When you click download SBR poker you are also downloading an identification program. It scans all your information on computer and releases a small chip from your hard drive the embedds itself in your anus to monitor your activities, some may feel a little sting on there ass but SBR figured most liberals would not notice as we all know that most of course that liberals tend to be on the homosexual side and of course there are no gay republicans. Anyway, this program tracks everything about you, lifestyle, religous preference, gay/straight, married, how much you pay in taxes and most of all your political preference.

So after allowing the program to track months of data the chip is eventually defecated out into what one would assume was a toilet, but again SBR was surprised to find that a large portion of liberals actually just relieve themselves in on city parks, schools or general public downtown metropolitan areas.

After months of research and data collection SBR was finally able to make the list. This list was of people that were set up to fail at SBR poker. They would routinely play perfect passive poker but no matter how often they checked/called with there over pairs they were going to consistently get sucked out on. Also, they are constently set up to be coolered, almost everytime they are dealt KK somebody else has AA. On top of that users such as the The Giant, Biteme, beerdonk, gummbo and others have complete access to what everyone elses cards at the table are and also have direct access to Lou who is in control of what comes out on flop/river/turn.

SBR knew they could get away with this because there would be enough support from the sheep republicans with there played out old tales of variance that nobody would ever truly know. It takes a special kind of enlightened individual to be able to pick through crap about variace that comes from obvious company men like daneblazer, Shari91 nosnibo or any of those other "Variance" garbage spewers that its obvious are paid by SBR to keep the enlightened from the truth.

And Mikey, I will explain to you why the new guys seem to win at a higher rate... Its only because the chip up there ass has not collected enough data for Lou to make a decision what list they belong on. Once adequate info is collected they too will be moved to "undesirables" list if found to have voted for Hope and Change.

And finally Mike, you will continue to run espeically bad along with fellow complainer Milwaukee Mike because mike is an especially sore spot for the SBR community. Lou, Walker and Loshak were at a Christmas party a few years ago and of course Walker used his millions to spring for some late party entertainment out in CR. Lots of booze and drugs flowed as the night went on and while they guys and girls were having a great time eventually the SBR guys decided to take some of the "entertainment" back to the VIP room. This girl Michelle was especially rowdy and her policy was the more the merrier. WEll, lou, walker, and loshak took there turns partying with Michlle until the night turned into a blur. The following morning the gang woke up, all the girls were gone but they realized Michelle had left her purse and horse tail. They wanted to make sure she got her stuff back so they decided to look in her purse to get her name/address, etc. They found her CR drivers license and unforntunately found out Michelle's name was actual Micheal. Ever since then, any derivative of Micheal instantly ends up on the rigged list, no exceptions.

So keep on fighting the good fight, persistance is your ally in this uphill battle.

[mikejamm]

Well thanks DS! Glad somebody finally explained it in such true and elegant fashion. The haves and the have nots. Newbies winning worthless points, because their ass chip has yet to activate. Lou, Walker, Loshak, fuk'in gay transvestites named Michelle and hating all things starting with M. Yep, it all makes perfect sense, except the gay Michelle homo was probably opie, how else would a right wing slack jaw jackass get mod job here?

Doesn't matter anyway bro, I know what I know to be true. And yes I run bad here, worse than any other place I've ever played. So that why this phony sham of a poker client can go fuk itself and the dishonest bastards that created it. JJ was smart to leave this shit hole and I believe I will too.

[shari91]

where else do you play Mike?

I'm more than happy to come sit with you at a table and learn some stuff. I've only been at FTP lately but am willing to deposit elsewhere since I can't find foldie or Bobby yet!

[mikejamm]

Rigged! 1,000,000,000,000% Rigged!

On one of the 4,648 boards TT posts at, he published inside information -- documents he probably got when he was an executive at SBR -- that BitemeUsDoj is actually Lou.

Has anyone ever seen Biteme and Lou in the same room together? No, never! I have sat on my hands too long holding this information because I respect TT, but sorry Big Man, I can no longer sit idle.

Plus there is this: http://www.sbrforum.com/poker/

I could see this being true, guy is a always at the final table and why not run a tournament with yourself as a fuk'in ghost player and set it up to make sure you finish in the money. Hels and eberetta make some extremely valid points too. And of course John has to throw his bullshit remark in there. When you're a playing as someone else it pretty much proves the cheating asshole you are. Yeah John, I guess only bad players do get the most bad beats, and cheating ghosting assholes who win by being someone else get all the good ones huh? Between him and opie's stupid hillbilly remarks the real truth comes out. When denial is all you fuk'in have, that's what you do.

[opie1988]

Jesus MikeJamm......

Instead of wasting all this time.....wouldn't it be better to take all this negative energy and channel it to actually learning how to play fukkin poker?

I've never seen an injun as shit-all stupid as you, Kemosabe.

[stevenash]

I have two simple questions for all you 'rig' tards.
Best answer wins a few of Nasher's points.

Why would SBR 'rig' the poker?
And, for what purpose?

[borednaz]

I think I'm qualified to say it's Rigged. The odds for the beats that occur here much less one right after another are outside of normal factors for the lottery much less getting hit by lightning while getting circumcised but a Jewish albino midget on a leap year. Do people misplay their hands Yes all the time. Poker is zero sum game of mistakes period.

And that allows guys like Lou to declare it's just horribad poker players who cry foul. I might not be a WSOP champion but I think I've proven myself to do well enough to get noticed or at least be considered worthy input for this. I say it's rigged, but not towards one person or another; for or against any one select individual. I just think the RNG was programmed by retards with no knowledge what so ever of Odds or probability.

[borednaz]

i have two simple questions for all you 'rig' tards.
Best answer wins a few of nasher's points.

Why would sbr 'rig' the poker?
And, for what purpose?

rake

[Hankwins]

rake

Superusers is my only explanation for what 'rigged" poker is. Please elaborate on how rake equals rigged?

[4uk4life]

I feel rigged after reading this thread.

I've never seen so many bots in one thread claiming a software was rigged in my life.

I feel it's only fair that everyone in this thread owes me a pizza gift card.

PS. don't forget to update to version 4.u.k that just released

[mikejamm]

where else do you play Mike?

I'm more than happy to come sit with you at a table and learn some stuff. I've only been at FTP lately but am willing to deposit elsewhere since I can't find foldie or Bobby yet!

That's nice of you Shari, I'd probably have to move outta the country to play with you though, since the USA is pretty much off limits to anything online poker wise.

I have played online at Bovada when it was bodog and still have an account there, but now everybody is a damn number and you don't really know who you're playing with. I have a casino about 20 minutes from where I live, so I get into cash games and tournaments on my off nights. Working 3rd shift as an IT tech,(hmmm an IT Tech poker player who knows a fuk'in scam software program when he sees one, and you guys wonder why I bitch all the time, lol), I miss some good tourneys though, because they all start in the evening of course. I do love showing up at past midnight and cleaning house on guys who've been playing all day and half the night, tired and making bad decisions. Night time is my day time.

The WSOP has a circuit event that stops here and the Midwest Regional Poker Championships are held here too. So I'm in good company and playing against real pros and amateurs all the time, unlike this place where a fuk'in dipshit will call with anything, it's real poker and you better bring your "A" game. I've got about 4 years of college to pay for, and when my daughter graduates, I plan on hitting the tour full time.

Been meaning to ask you if you're still in Australia? Seems like I remember you posting about moving but wasn't sure if you did. I'm seriously considering taking my next vacation there and going scuba diving along the Great Barrier Reef. Have you had the chance check it out, I've read that the scuba diving there is spectacular!

[Inspirited]

I don't think it's rigged at all. But if you think it's rigged why don't you adjust to the software? You obvious have some views to what direction it's rigged in.

[mikejamm]

I think I'm qualified to say it's Rigged. The odds for the beats that occur here much less one right after another are outside of normal factors for the lottery much less getting hit by lightning while getting circumcised but a Jewish albino midget on a leap year. Do people misplay their hands Yes all the time. Poker is zero sum game of mistakes period.

And that allows guys like Lou to declare it's just horribad poker players who cry foul. I might not be a WSOP champion but I think I've proven myself to do well enough to get noticed or at least be considered worthy input for this. I say it's rigged, but not towards one person or another; for or against any one select individual. I just think the RNG was programmed by retards with no knowledge what so ever of Odds or probability.

Respected poster, good poker player, knows what he's talk'in about. Who's to say naz man, if enough real poker players speak up about it, maybe they'll get off their lazy asses and change it, because it is fuk'ed up and a pretty shitty way to run a poker site.

[eberetta1]

n.

I agree with this. Great write up.

t.

[4uk4life]

poster, poker player,

fixed that for ya Mike

[GUMMO77]

I have two simple questions for all you 'rig' tards.
Best answer wins a few of Nasher's points.

Why would SBR 'rig' the poker?
And, for what purpose?

That is easy:

SBR is not looking to just take the players points, because that is too easy and other sites have done this before. No, SBR is looking to break players.

Look at Mikejamm. Did you know BEFORE he started playing SBR poker he was a very well known Zen Buddhist; his background and Zen works mirrored that of Gary Snyder.

Now look at Mr. Jamm. What do you see? You see a broken man who has lost every principal he has ever lived by.

SBR poker is evil. I suggest all those with a weak heart and mind to stay away from it.

[4uk4life]

That is easy:

SBR is not looking to just take the players points, because that is too easy and other sites have done this before. No, SBR is looking to break players.

Look at Mikejamm. Did you know BEFORE he started playing SBR poker he was a very well known Zen Buddhist; his background and Zen works mirrored that of Gary Snyder.

Now look at Mr. Jamm. What do you see? You see a broken man who has lost every principal he has ever lived by.

SBR poker is evil. I suggest all those with a weak heart and mind to stay away from it.

Get this guy some points

[eberetta1]

I have two simple questions for all you 'rig' tards.
Best answer wins a few of Nasher's points.

Why would SBR 'rig' the poker?
And, for what purpose?

I write a software program allowing all players to win one hand going clockwise. Starting with player one to player nine.
To show it is not a fluke, I write the code allowing all players to win one hand going counter-clockwise. Starting with player nine
to player one. Ask a programmer if this can be done. It can be done as simple as displaying the alphabet backwards and forwards
on a computer screen.
If you do not believe the above, then the rest below will not make any sense to you...

Now I add 50, 100, 200 variables and I can change them on a moments notice. I want the females to win., OK, think I have
data in the registration when the player takes their seat? Test, I write the code allowing all female players to win one hand going
clockwise starting with seat one ending at seat 9. Only 2 females at this table, ok.

What else do I want to test? Whatever time it
is, I want that seat to win. So if it is 1:12:54 my software will have everyone lose except seat 4.Tested, works. Time 4:18:26. My software will have everyone lose except seat 6. Tested, works.
I can add as many variables as I want whenever I want, or leave variables turned off. I tell everyone have fun. Play poker.

You 'rig' poker for the same reason you 'rig' a slot machine. You want it to produce a desired outcome. Answer why you 'rig' a slot machine and you have answered your question.
Me, my software. I will not allow my software to allow a player to easily boot my target players from the table. I want my tables to stay as full as possible. So, my software would be pimped out. I will have it tied into every piece of data I have at my disposal. I can have the next nine winners be based on bankroll, last name, first name, age, country, join date, player rating, temperature, number of posts, seat number. Shoot, have your webcam hooked up to my software, and I can have it programmed that if you live with your mom and you live in the basement, you will not lose a hand. I can program it that worst starting hands win every time, or 25% of the time, or none of the time. One line of code. Usually it is just copied code, so the line is more than likely already out there somewhere in the code. I can program the first person to raise will win the hand, or I can program the first person to raise will lose the hand. I am nice and also have a produce a push hand for special ocassions.
There is only one variable my poker software cannot control. I will announce it at a later time.

The fact of the matter is we want our slot machines and we want our online poker. No matter how angry it makes us.
Real life is rigged in many ways also. What we think is freedom is not really freedom. But that belongs in the politics section.
Everyone, enjoy today because tomorrow may not come. And don't ask me to write your software.

[Marigold HD]

[SBR_John]

Well written Downsouth!!

Very creative and well written. Writers write. Keep going.

[dmtrader]

Whenever there is a bad beat, there is a the cry; "rigged!"

[milwaukee mike]

might be rigged, might not, who cares it's just free points. i am usually on the ass end (my kk gets cracked all-in preflop by 10j offsuit yesterday and seemingly every day lol).

what i DO know though is there are some flaws in the software that could use fixing.

one of them was the rebuy/addon flaw that booted people out of the rebuy tournament, that has been fixed.

just last night at the omaha hi/lo table, it said "xxx wins the hand with aces and tens with a ten kicker". can someone please explain to me how you can have two pair with the kicker being one of the paired hands

[daneblazer]

Points awarded, some for partial credit. Enjoy and good luck.

i think the solution here is to begin chasing gutter balls and flush draws. Better yet just gut shots and set draws...flush draws have too many outs

[k13]

Someone go in the poker room so I can rollover my rigged winnings.

Thanks.

[Josherzz1]

Mikejamm, I saw a hand where you had K-10 and pushed all-in, and the person in the big blind called with 10-2. He caught a 2 and the Doyle Brunson held up. Now, I know this can be frustrating but it doesn't mean things are rigged. Sucks outs are part of the game. Just smile knowing that in the long run you will win playing fundamentally sound. Btw, I'm new here and this community is really sick. Dig the forums.

[hhsilver]

I have two simple questions for all you 'rig' tards.
Best answer wins a few of Nasher's points.

Why would SBR 'rig' the poker?
And, for what purpose?

waiting for the second question.

[milwaukee mike]

for what purpose would they rig the poker?

for the same purpose a lot of online poker rooms have rigged their poker - to have house accounts win.
or in sbr's case, to have either house accounts or non-pros that can't use the points win a little more often.

i would never accuse sbr of this, the guys like john that are in charge here are class acts.

[DJ Dalamar]

I say we all play on a neutral site for a bit as well and I bet the same people end up losing.

[SBR_John]

Downsouth made a great post. To attempt to 'rig' poker software so as to favor someone or disfavor someone is not reality. One cool thing about SBR poker is you pretty much know everyone playing. When you look at the daily tourney results you occsaionally see some of the best players went out first. Did they get a bad beat? Probably. But the next day they are at the final table gunning for a win. Its poker. I recently lost in a cash game with AA vs a KQ suited, caught another A on the flop and lost to a river straight. I admit my toe nails nearly ripped a hole in my shoe but those are the breaks.

[BeerDog99]

Hey eberreta1. There is no question that "rigging" the software is possible. The point would be why?

Comparing online poker to slot machines is not accurate.

The chips/points/money payout is from the house with the assigned percentages paying out.

The chips/points/money payout with poker is from the other players.

The house wins every hand because they take a rake, they don't care if player 1 vs 2 or 3-9 wins the pot, they just want their rake.

Now to say that they skew the software to pay out more to one player or another, I agree it is possible, but again why?

The age old argument for creating action to create more rake, again is possible but I personally don't see the net benefit as there is enough pots creating max rake that it would not be a huge benefit for the risk to reputation.

All is possible, just not very likely in my humble opinion.

[downsouth]

Well written Downsouth!!

Very creative and well written. Writers write. Keep going.

Glad you liked it. Started to write a small few lines I thought were humorous and got carried away.

A little sloppy but gets the point across.

[opie1988]

I think we can all agree we learned one indisputable fact from this thread.....

MikeJamm sucks ass at poker.

[mikejamm]

Yeah, and you just plain ass suck sbr's dick opie! Of course being from texas you're already a pro at sucking! Hmm... I wonder how bad the Dallas Cowshits will take it up the ass today? Any predictions, opieshit?

[thetrinity]

itd b very easy to "rig" if they wanted to since they arent regulated by anyone. just seems like a lot of guys arent really poker players and are killing time so that adds to it. most of the regular players are ridiculously tight 2 so of course they will have the best hand often.