Solid Play on Cardinals today with WAINWRIGHT

Premature Capper · 04-07-12, 01:01 PM

You're a little off base here. Wainwright hasn't pitched in a real game in a year due to Tommy John surgery and his velocity is down a bit from his old form. Why do you think Lohse started opening day instead of him? Greinke will be a top 10 pitcher in the NL this year, and the Brewers will desperately not try to start the season 0-2. I would take the Brewers all day in this one

MagicDiceFlow · 04-07-12, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Premature Capper

You're a little off base here. Wainwright hasn't pitched in a real game in a year due to Tommy John surgery and his velocity is down a bit from his old form. Why do you think Lohse started opening day instead of him? Greinke will be a top 10 pitcher in the NL this year, and the Brewers will desperately not try to start the season 0-2. I would take the Brewers all day in this one

WRONG ......Lohse started because new mgr Matheny didnt want to put the youngster out there on opening day. Also , Lohse is a proven solid veteran and was a smart idea to hand him the ball on opening day.

LT Profits · 04-07-12, 01:10 PM

When did Wainwright become a "youngster"?

MagicDiceFlow · 04-07-12, 01:11 PM

Also on Greinke, the 16 wins he got last year was very misleading. I followed him closely last year and his ERA hovered at well above 4.00 for most the year so those wins were not because of his fine pitching.

Premature Capper · 04-07-12, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by MagicDiceFlow

Also on Greinke, the 16 wins he got last year was very misleading. I followed him closely last year and his ERA hovered at well above 4.00 for most the year so those wins were not because of his fine pitching.

Like i said, this year Greinke will be a top 10 pitcher in the NL. And the Brew crew will win this game, I expect by 2-3 runs. Waster your $ on the Cardy's if you wish to, but i'm going the opposite way

LT Profits · 04-07-12, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by MagicDiceFlow

Also on Greinke, the 16 wins he got last year was very misleading. I followed him closely last year and his ERA hovered at well above 4.00 for most the year so those wins were not because of his fine pitching.

You are wrong about everything here.

Besides the fact that Wainwright was the closer of the Cardinals' 2006 championship team and has been in the starting rotation since (and is at least 30 years old), Greinke got off to a terrible start last year but he was 9-3 with a 2.59 ERA and 1.16 WHIP after the All-Star break with 102 Ks in 97 innings. So he didn't win because of his pitching?

mann2chc · 04-07-12, 01:24 PM

just take the over... both pitchers should get shook today

MagicDiceFlow · 04-07-12, 01:33 PM

Greinke is going to get rocked today by that Cards offense and we'll see if juiceless Braun can actually manage a hit.

slambam · 04-07-12, 01:37 PM

I like the Cards too but don't like betting my teams. I'm on the under myself. GL, we both hit.

EXhoosier10 · 04-07-12, 01:37 PM

lol Magic

This is an epic thread

LT Profits · 04-07-12, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by MagicDiceFlow

Greinke is going to get rocked today by that Cards offense and we'll see if juiceless Braun can actually manage a hit.

Maybe, maybe not but it does not change the fact that your reasoning was totally flawed.

MagicDiceFlow · 04-07-12, 02:12 PM

I admit I was wrong about Greinke's last month of 2011. He did finish strong so you are correct LT. His first three months of 2011 were mediocre to sub par and was totally rocked in his first month of 2011 :

Date	Opponent	Score	Dec	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	W	L	SV	BS	HLD	IP	ERA
Jul 27	CHC	W 2-0	W	6.2	3	0	0	0	3	9	8	4	0	0	0	94.0	4.50
Jul 21	@ ARI	L 0-4	L	7.0	5	2	2	2	0	7	7	4	0	0	0	87.1	4.84
Jul 16	@ COL	W 8-7	-	6.0	5	3	0	0	2	8	7	3	0	0	0	80.1	5.04
Jul 8	CIN	W 8-7	-	6.0	6	4	2	1	2	10	7	3	0	0	0	74.1	5.45
Jul 3	@ MIN	L 7-9	-	6.0	5	5	4	2	2	9	7	3	0	0	0	68.1	5.66
Date	Opponent	Score	Dec	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	W	L	SV	BS	HLD	IP	ERA
Jun 28	@ NYY	L 2-12	L	2.0	5	7	7	1	3	0	7	3	0	0	0	62.1	5.63
Jun 21	TAM	W 5-1	W	7.0	4	1	1	0	0	10	7	2	0	0	0	60.1	4.77
Jun 16	@ CHC	L 7-12	L	5.1	8	8	6	1	2	10	6	2	0	0	0	53.1	5.23
Jun 11	STL	W 5-3	W	7.0	7	3	3	1	0	9	6	1	0	0	0	48.0	4.69
Jun 6	@ MIA	W 7-2	W	7.0	7	2	2	0	1	6	5	1	0	0	0	41.0	4.83
Date	Opponent	Score	Dec	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	W	L	SV	BS	HLD	IP	ERA
May 31	@ CIN	W 7-2	W	6.0	6	2	2	0	3	6	4	1	0	0	0	34.0	5.29
May 25	WAS	W 6-4	W	7.0	5	3	3	1	1	10	3	1	0	0	0	28.0	5.79
May 20	COL	W 7-6	-	6.0	8	4	4	2	0	9	2	1	0	0	0	21.0	6.43
May 15	PIT	W 9-6	W	5.0	6	5	5	1	1	5	2	1	0	0	0	15.0	6.60
May 9	SDG	W 4-3	W	6.0	5	2	2	0	0	9	1	1	0	0	0	10.0	5.40
May 4	@ ATL	L 0-8	L	4.0	5	5	4	1	1	6	0	1	0	0	0	4.0	9.00

Premature Capper · 04-07-12, 04:19 PM

Man, Greinke sure is getting rocked....

antifoil · 04-07-12, 05:05 PM

handicapping tip. if you want an edge on the books in respect to a pitchers performance, look at FIP not ERA.

it is a better indication of future pitcher performance than ERA.

EXhoosier10 · 04-07-12, 05:20 PM

Great call, Magic. maybe not so confident next time?

Originally posted by antifoil

handicapping tip. if you want an edge on the books in respect to a pitchers performance, look at FIP not ERA.

it is a better indication of future pitcher performance than ERA.

Make that xFIP or SIERA.

antifoil · 04-07-12, 05:23 PM

i don't like xfip because it takes out the ballpark factor.