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  • ryanXL977
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    • 02-24-08
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    #1
    ryan howard for mvp
    if they win this division , how does he not get it

    POWWWW

    another philly sept
    another met sept!!
  • yisman
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    • 09-01-08
    • 75682

    #2
    he doesn't compare to Pujols.

    Cards obviously aren't making the playoffs and the Phillies likely are, but they aren't comparable.
    [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
    [/quote]

    [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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    • element1286
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      • 02-25-08
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      #3
      You serious?
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      • ryanXL977
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        • 02-24-08
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        #4
        ONly if they win the east, then yes, he will get it
        only if they win the east
        sept is weighted more heavily
        obviously pujols and berkman are better
        but if they win the division, he will get it
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        • element1286
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          • 02-25-08
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          #5
          He'd barely be in my top 10.
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          • yisman
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            • 09-01-08
            • 75682

            #6
            I'd put money on Howard not winning MVP.

            The Phillies probably have a 60% chance of winning the division, and I say that anyway.
            [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
            [/quote]

            [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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            • ryanXL977
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              • 02-24-08
              • 20615

              #7
              so if they win the division, who gets mvp? i am aware of the numbers
              but the voters will hand it to him if he has a 12 hr month and they win the east

              just watch
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              • element1286
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                • 02-25-08
                • 3370

                #8
                Originally posted by ryanXL977
                so if they win the division, who gets mvp? i am aware of the numbers
                but the voters will hand it to him if he has a 12 hr month and they win the east

                just watch
                I don't know who Jayson Stark and Peter Gammons are voting for, but I hope the writers have more sense than to vote for a guy with a .866 OPS, who plays a defensively unimportant position, and plays it poorly.

                Would you vote for him?
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                • ryanXL977
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                  • 02-24-08
                  • 20615

                  #9
                  he is a bad fielder but he is a better fielder than prince and delgado by a mile.
                  now, as for mvp candidates
                  the cards are in 4th, so how does poo get it? berkmans numbers have fallen off since lee got hurt, and they are a 3rd place team
                  the phils win that division, how does he not get it

                  who is it you give it to? the only guys who can get it have to be on first or near first place teams. i think, if they win the div, he gets it, i am fairly sure, if he has a big month
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                  • element1286
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                    • 02-25-08
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ryanXL977
                    he is a bad fielder but he is a better fielder than prince and delgado by a mile.
                    now, as for mvp candidates
                    the cards are in 4th, so how does poo get it? berkmans numbers have fallen off since lee got hurt, and they are a 3rd place team
                    the phils win that division, how does he not get it

                    who is it you give it to? the only guys who can get it have to be on first or near first place teams. i think, if they win the div, he gets it, i am fairly sure, if he has a big month
                    I never bought into the MVP has to be on a first place team. And I don't think there is any way he gets it.

                    I would give it to Berkman myself, with Pujols being second.
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                    • ryanXL977
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                      • 02-24-08
                      • 20615

                      #11
                      i would not give it to those dudes over howard
                      i would prefer the team wins, but i see your pt

                      the point i meant to make is that the voters will give it to howard, whether they should or not is another point

                      but i will bet money they do, if the win nleast
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                      • element1286
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                        • 02-25-08
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                        #12
                        My top 10 would be, Berkman, Pujols, H. Ramirez, Utley, Braun, Wright, Beltran, Holliday, Aramis Ramirez, McLouth.
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                        • ryanXL977
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                          • 02-24-08
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                          #13
                          holliday over howard? mcclouth? aramis? beltran?

                          utley has not done shit for a while now

                          i have no bones with the first 3, but the next 7, esp holliday, are bad

                          holliday isnt shit outside of coors, never has been
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                          • yisman
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                            • 09-01-08
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                            #14
                            Pujols has carried what was expected to be a poor team to what will be a winning record. He's batting .360 with a .465 OBP. 5 errors on the year.

                            I don't have anyone close to him.

                            Hanley Ramirez would be second for me, then Lance Berkman.
                            [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                            [/quote]

                            [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                            • ryanXL977
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                              • 02-24-08
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                              #15
                              all i am saying is what i think will happen
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                              • element1286
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                                • 02-25-08
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                                #16
                                McLouth has a higher, OPS and plays a decent CF.

                                Holliday has and .895 OPS away from Coors, plays a decent LF, and lets no pretend Howard plays in Petco or anything.

                                Ramirez, plays very good defense, and has a higher OPS than Howard

                                Beltran is the same as McLouth, same OPS as Howard, plays a very good CF.

                                As far as 1st basemen go Howard has the sixth highest OPS, and plays poor defense. Doesn't sound like an MVP to me.
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                                • ryanXL977
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                                  • 02-24-08
                                  • 20615

                                  #17
                                  ramizrez, get real dude
                                  mcclouth over howard? maybe if his team won more than 75 games

                                  aramis isnt even in the talk now, come on
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                                  • yisman
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                                    • 09-01-08
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                    all i am saying is what i think will happen
                                    wanna bet?
                                    [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                    [/quote]

                                    [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                    • element1286
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                                      • 02-25-08
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by yisman
                                      Pujols has carried what was expected to be a poor team to what will be a winning record. He's batting .360 with a .465 OBP. 5 errors on the year.

                                      I don't have anyone close to him.

                                      Hanley Ramirez would be second for me, then Lance Berkman.
                                      I hear, I am just a big fan of Berkman, kind of a "who do I like more pick."
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                                      • ryanXL977
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                                        • 02-24-08
                                        • 20615

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by yisman
                                        wanna bet?
                                        after that jrich show stole from me, i dont bet people here

                                        ****ing lidge
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                                        • element1286
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                                          • 02-25-08
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                                          #21
                                          Ryan, the only arguement that Howard has over any of the guys I listed is that he is on a winning team. If you can come up with another one I would like to hear it.
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                                          • ryanXL977
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                                            • 02-24-08
                                            • 20615

                                            #22
                                            look, for the final time

                                            a: pujols and berkman are better
                                            b: the VOTERS, i believe, will give it to howard, IF, the phils win nl E, thats all i am saying
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                                            • element1286
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                                              • 02-25-08
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                              look, for the final time

                                              a: pujols and berkman are better
                                              b: the VOTERS, i believe, will give it to howard, IF, the phils win nl E, thats all i am saying
                                              Ok, so you would vote for Berkman or Pujols?
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                                              • ryanXL977
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 02-24-08
                                                • 20615

                                                #24
                                                id vote for omar infante
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