Originally posted by Andy3568
John Morrison 2012 MLB Thread
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hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1191Was Cabrera their top hitter? It could be a toss up between him and Posey. Cabrera has the best BA and the most hits but Posey has more home runs and RBI's. But you are right about Morrison pulling the injury filter. I definitely will be playing the series. I like the pitching match ups in 2 out of 3 of the games.Comment -
Andy3568SBR Wise Guy
- 01-17-10
- 615
#1192Well, it turned out to be a win anyway. But you're right. Morrison doesn't clarify what he means by "best hitter" or "best pitcher." He's a lot clearer about the injury filter in the NBA system,, but I find the NBA injury filter is not much of a factor since the spread pretty much captures injuries and all other information.Originally posted by hagball52Was Cabrera their top hitter? It could be a toss up between him and Posey. Cabrera has the best BA and the most hits but Posey has more home runs and RBI's. But you are right about Morrison pulling the injury filter. I definitely will be playing the series. I like the pitching match ups in 2 out of 3 of the games.Comment -
knugenSBR MVP
- 12-09-09
- 2612
#1193A pretty good comeback after the Houston loss, 3 out of 3Comment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1194JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 22-0 (v1)
(A) 13-9
(B) 4-5
(C) 4-1
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-3
V3 system 11-2
Unofficial series 46-1
(A) 30-17
(B) 13-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-3
Official
08/20/2012 Tampa Bay (.523) v Kansas City (.488) M/L (A) WIN
08/20/2012 San Francisco (.505) @ LA Dodgers (.502) R/L /M/L (A) WIN
*Unofficial*
08/20/2012 Minnesota (.481) @ Oakland (.516) R/L /M/L (A) WIN
Next Plays
V3
08/21/2012 Oakland (.514) v Minnesota (.482) M/L (A) 2 gm. set
Upcoming Plays
08/24/2012 St Louis @ Cincinnati
08/24/2012 Arizona v San Diego
08/24/2012 NY Mets v Houston
08/24/2012 Baltimore v Toronto
08/24/2012 Cleveland v NY Yankees
08/27/2012 Cleveland v Oakland
08/27/2012 Minnesota v Seattle
08/28/2012 Kansas City v Detroit
08/28/2012 Houston v San Francisco
Notes: Nothing like a clean sweep to get the week started off right. That gives us one more play today. We have a very busy Friday coming up with at least 3 official plays and a possible 4th depending on how the Cards and Reds do this week.
GL AllComment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1195JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 22-0 (v1)
(A) 13-9
(B) 4-5
(C) 4-1
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-3
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 46-1
(A) 30-17
(B) 13-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-3
V3
08/21/2012 Oakland (.514) v Minnesota (.482) M/L (A) WIN
Next Plays
08/24/2012 St Louis @ Cincinnati
08/24/2012 Arizona v San Diego
08/24/2012 NY Mets v Houston
08/24/2012 Baltimore v Toronto
08/24/2012 Cleveland v NY Yankees
Upcoming Plays
08/27/2012 Cleveland v Oakland
08/27/2012 Minnesota v Seattle
08/28/2012 Kansas City v Detroit
08/28/2012 Houston v San Francisco
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers v Arizona
08/30/2012 Toronto v Tampa Bay
Notes: And the wins keep on coming. Everybody gets a couple well earned days off. Let's hope Friday is anything close to our recent success.
There are 7 possible sweeps today with 3 having future plays. Back tomorrow with all the updates.
GL All
P.S. Once again, thank you all for the points.Comment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1196JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 22-0 (v1)
(A) 13-9
(B) 4-5
(C) 4-1
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-3
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 46-1
(A) 30-17
(B) 13-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-3
Next Plays
08/24/2012 St Louis @ Cincinnati
08/24/2012 Arizona v San Diego
08/24/2012 NY Mets v Houston
08/24/2012 Baltimore v Toronto
08/24/2012 Cleveland v NY Yankees
Upcoming Plays
08/27/2012 Cleveland v Oakland
08/27/2012 Minnesota v Seattle
08/27/2012 Chicago Cubs v Milwaukee
08/28/2012 Kansas City v Detroit
08/28/2012 Houston v San Francisco
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers v Arizona
08/30/2012 Toronto v Tampa Bay
Notes: Just re-did the post to show the added play on the upcoming list. There were 5 sweeps yesterday with 2 having future plays. They are:
08/27 CHC v MIL
09/07 LAD @ SFO
There are 4 possible sweeps today with 2 having a future play.
It looks like we are going to have 3 official plays tomorrow out of 5.
GL AllComment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1197JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 22-0 (v1)
(A) 13-9
(B) 4-5
(C) 4-1
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-3
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 46-1
(A) 30-17
(B) 13-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-3
Next Plays
Official
08/24/2012 Arizona (.498) v San Diego (.480) M/L (A) 3 gm. set
08/24/2012 NY Mets (.495) v Houston (.448) M/L (A) 3 gm. set
08/24/2012 Baltimore (.519) v Toronto (.497) +1.5 Alt. R/L (A) 3 gm. set
*Unofficial*
08/24/2012 St Louis (.499) @ Cincinnati (.516) +1.5 R/L (A) 3 gm. set
08/24/2012 Cleveland (.486) v NY Yankees (.534) +1.5 R/L (A)* 3 gm. set (poss. V3)
* Note that the Yankees are #1 in the rpi.
Upcoming Plays
08/27/2012 Cleveland v Oakland
08/27/2012 Minnesota v Seattle
08/27/2012 Chicago Cubs v Milwaukee
08/28/2012 Kansas City v Detroit
08/28/2012 Houston v San Francisco
08/28/2012 Boston @ LA Angels
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers v Arizona
08/30/2012 Toronto v Tampa Bay
Notes: Very busy day today. I like all 3 official series and also the STL/CIN series. It just barely missed the cut for official.
There were 2 sweeps yesterday with future plays. I already added one to the list above.
08/28 BOS @ LAA
09/18 HOU @ STL
Let's finish off this week strong.
GL All
P.S. Note that BAL was at -110 at the time of this post so I had to put it Alt. R/L. Do as you wish with that. I like them to at least win one of the 3 games.Comment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1198JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 23-0 (v1) (2 series pending)
(A) 14-11
(B) 4-5
(C) 4-1
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-3
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 47-1 (1 series pending)
(A) 31-18
(B) 13-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-3
Official
08/24/2012 Arizona (.498) v San Diego (.480) M/L (A) LOSS
08/24/2012 NY Mets (.495) v Houston (.448) M/L (A) LOSS
08/24/2012 Baltimore (.519) v Toronto (.497) Alt. R/L/M/L(A) WIN
*Unofficial*
08/24/2012 St Louis (.499) @ Cincinnati (.516) R/L /M/L (A) WIN
08/24/2012 Cleveland (.486) v NY Yankees (.534) R/L (A) LOSS
Next Plays
Official
08/25/2012 Arizona (.497) v San Diego (.482) M/L (B) V2
08/25/2012 NY Mets (.493) v Houston (.450) M/L (B)**
*Unofficial*
08/25/2012 Cleveland (.485) v NY Yankees (.534) +1.5 R/L (B)
**There was no line on the NYM/HOU game at the time of this post but I'm sure the Mets will be heavily favored considering the pitching.
Upcoming Plays
08/27/2012 Cleveland v Oakland
08/27/2012 Minnesota v Seattle
08/27/2012 Chicago Cubs v Milwaukee
08/28/2012 Kansas City v Detroit
08/28/2012 Houston v San Francisco
08/28/2012 Boston @ LA Angels
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers v Arizona
08/30/2012 Toronto v Tampa Bay
Notes: A couple wins is better than no wins. I think we stand a good chance to clean up the official plays today. I did not play the Cleveland series but might place a small wager on them if it goes to a (C) bet tomorrow.
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alanlazarSBR Hustler
- 03-23-09
- 92
#1199Mets -280 That is insaneComment -
alanlazarSBR Hustler
- 03-23-09
- 92
#1200Clayton Richard + 165 for San Diego is also insane He is their top ace on the pitching staffComment -
MARCUSSBR Sharp
- 06-19-09
- 358
#1201..take the day off..2 much juice 4 me!!Comment -
NZT-48SBR Wise Guy
- 05-29-11
- 522
#1202yeah I like this time of year where the lines are redonkculous like wow really....it looked like it ended up at -320 ok then lolComment -
sportscreep1SBR Sharp
- 03-02-10
- 292
#1203Winner winner on Mets! Juice was that high for a reason!Comment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1204JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 24-0 (v1) (1 series pending)
(A) 14-11
(B) 5-6
(C) 4-1
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-4
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 48-1
(A) 31-18
(B) 14-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-3
Official
08/25/2012 Arizona (.497) v San Diego (.482) M/L (B) V2 LOSS
08/25/2012 NY Mets (.493) v Houston (.450) M/L (B)WIN
*Unofficial*
08/25/2012 Cleveland (.485) v NY Yankees (.534) R/L /M/L (B)WIN
Next Plays
Official
08/26/2012 Arizona (.496) v San Diego (.483) M/L (C) V2
Upcoming Plays
08/27/2012 Cleveland v Oakland
08/27/2012 Minnesota v Seattle
08/27/2012 Chicago Cubs v Milwaukee
08/28/2012 Kansas City v Detroit
08/28/2012 Houston v San Francisco
08/28/2012 Boston @ LA Angels
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers v Arizona
08/30/2012 Toronto v Tampa Bay
Notes: It was nice to get 2 out of 3 yesterday. Let's pick up that last one today. It is a double V2 play and they have been pure money this season if that's any consolation to those of you who are nervous about today's game. I was surprised to see it go this far, hopefully we'll cash one more ticket this weekend.
There are 5 possible sweeps today with 2 of them having future plays. It looks like we will have one official play tomorrow.
GL AllComment -
GGPLAYERSBR MVP
- 03-26-09
- 2984
#1205I took Mets on RL at -135..........thank you for scoring that run in the 8th!!
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hey buddySBR Sharp
- 02-26-10
- 362
#1206Saunders could be replaced today as the starter because of a possible trade. Would this affect the Dbacks play any?Comment -
knugenSBR MVP
- 12-09-09
- 2612
#1207Its beacause of that ther are still no line out at pinnacle, but that should not affect the play.
But im pretty sure that JM will call it unofficial if we lose and there were a last minute pitcher changeComment -
allidoiswin89SBR Wise Guy
- 03-22-11
- 915
#1208I believe Cahill is in nowOriginally posted by hey buddySaunders could be replaced today as the starter because of a possible trade. Would this affect the Dbacks play any?Comment -
alanlazarSBR Hustler
- 03-23-09
- 92
#1209Is everyone feeling confident. We have been down this road many times before and always pull through. Today is no exception I have been following this system for 5 years. Arizona IS still in a pennant race and a win today is crucial. A win in a BIG WAY TODAY.Comment -
cambertosSBR Sharp
- 06-16-12
- 329
#1210I woke up this morning (In Australia), and found the pitching change, sportsbook nulled my bet.. Looks like Im copping a loss on this series regardless of a result!Comment -
NZT-48SBR Wise Guy
- 05-29-11
- 522
#1211its looking brillant now fking Arizona unreal....who gets into a double play with a fking flyball??....in the bottom of the 6th inning with 2 on and no outs like really???......thanks.....wheres the emticon for when you wanna throw the bird to a piss poor MLB team
Originally posted by alanlazarIs everyone feeling confident. We have been down this road many times before and always pull through. Today is no exception I have been following this system for 5 years. Arizona IS still in a pennant race and a win today is crucial. A win in a BIG WAY TODAY.Comment -
sportscreep1SBR Sharp
- 03-02-10
- 292
#1212What a let down? Gave that game away, walk, passed ball, groundout(which would of resulted in double play), then bloop to give what ended up being winning run. Bunch a losers! Do we triple bet em in a couple weeks when they go to SD to play again?? Can they really lose 9 in a row to Padres??
Just wiped out all profit for official bet players! Awesome!Comment -
seeker1728SBR Rookie
- 08-26-12
- 1
#1213I've been following this thread since March when a friend of mine got me into this Morrison betting system. He had used it fairly successfully last year, within his financial means at least (betting to win $10 a shot seemed like a waste of time to me though). I made several winning bets thanks to Hagball's postings and all, but started having misgivings ever since that D play back on the 13th, that one stung as my original to win bets are usually around $100-200, and by that time Pitt's line took me to a $1600 just to break even. i work in LV as a Dealer, the notion to bet 1800 to win 100 is beyond bad, but it panned out and I figured it was a rare event so shouldn't complain as the end result was my bank being positive by $2100 so far. I don't know hardly anything about sports, this was just a experiment for me trying a system based on past tracking, I have no emotional attachment to a team from anywhere doing anything unless I'm putting some money on them and then its the same as anyone else, hope they win.Originally posted by NZT-48its looking brillant now fking Arizona unreal....who gets into a double play with a fking flyball??....in the bottom of the 6th inning with 2 on and no outs like really???......thanks.....wheres the emticon for when you wanna throw the bird to a piss poor MLB team
Today's Arizona play stuck me hard. Nothing i can't afford to lose mind you, but net result is -3k which wipes out the season's winnings and then some. I had subscribed to Morrison's service start of August, good thing I can get a refund till end of Sept I suppose, but whatever claims he has about this being a "day job crushing system" is pretty much the hype I imagined it to be. Yeah, I know, its gambling, went into it with this as a given, don't mind taking a chance and it not panning out, nothing I couldn't afford to lose anyway. The real loss isn't the money, I can always make more of that stuff, its the idea of being able to do what Morrison claims to do, make a living at it. Not that I was looking for a mansion and a Ferrari, a extra 30k a year opens up a lot of life options. But it boils down one thing...hype. I suppose if I was happy just winning $10 or $15 a play this could be deemed a amusing way to host bragging rights, but not being a sports guy I never did get that. Oh well, better to know now then when serious money is involved.
Just wanted to toss out a thanks to the contributors of the thread so far, but this pretty much is over for me.
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stevexSBR Hall of Famer
- 05-02-10
- 5122
#1214Labby folks. Learn it, use it, preach it.Comment -
rkelly110BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 10-05-09
- 39410
#1215We got it today boys.
Usually when this happens he goes on a tear. If you have any money left, spread your losses
out over the next 3 series.Comment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1216You have drawn out the same sentiments I have had for awhile. I have been chase betting for 3 and a half years now and haven't really gained a whole lot. I've had upswings but everything can come crashing down in a short period of time. You are right, Morrison is all hype and bullsh*t. His systems have performed at high levels for periods of time but then eventually it will go wrong. As evidenced by his NFL and NHL systems this last season. He had 4 (C) bet losses in a row in both sports. The experience has been an education for me and I have been trying to devise a way to incorporate chase betting into what I want to do. Chase betting has its merits but it has a tremendous downside. I have learned that you can only employ about 1% of your bankroll when starting a 3 or 4 game series. When I first started this I got into big trouble right away because I started with 10% of my bankroll and got into a (C) bet with high juice and didn't have enough to finish the series out. It eventually won but I came out with a loss overall. Living and dying by chase betting takes a strong stomach and great discipline, which a lot of people don't have. What I have learned is that many of us in this business feel we have to bet every day and usually multiple bets. That is not the case. I am learning to pick and choose my battles and am having success at it. I think I will always have chase betting in my arsenal but it will only play a small portion of what I do. Hell, I'm not sure even Morrison plays his own system. Why would he when people just keep sending him money. That's where the real profit is. I have tried using the labby system but as luck would have it I seem to get into long losing lines and lose my stomach for it. Some people swear by it, maybe I just haven't given it enough of a try. All I know is that it can take a long time to recover when you've had a losing streak. I have really enjoyed managing this thread and feel I've come in contact with some really good people from all over the world. That part has been a lot of fun. Also a little Morrison bashing has been fun to because he is such a douchebag. I will continue to manage this thread because the people who find it can get an accurate accounting of what really goes on with his systems. There are other posters who handle the other sports and we all give an accurate tally. Morrison will lie and manipulate his results so he can market his systems. Thanks for chiming in. I have done okay this year with the baseball although had some bad downswings and today was surely one of them. Just hope you learned from the experience and it will make you better going forward. Good luck.Originally posted by seeker1728I've been following this thread since March when a friend of mine got me into this Morrison betting system. He had used it fairly successfully last year, within his financial means at least (betting to win $10 a shot seemed like a waste of time to me though). I made several winning bets thanks to Hagball's postings and all, but started having misgivings ever since that D play back on the 13th, that one stung as my original to win bets are usually around $100-200, and by that time Pitt's line took me to a $1600 just to break even. i work in LV as a Dealer, the notion to bet 1800 to win 100 is beyond bad, but it panned out and I figured it was a rare event so shouldn't complain as the end result was my bank being positive by $2100 so far. I don't know hardly anything about sports, this was just a experiment for me trying a system based on past tracking, I have no emotional attachment to a team from anywhere doing anything unless I'm putting some money on them and then its the same as anyone else, hope they win.
Today's Arizona play stuck me hard. Nothing i can't afford to lose mind you, but net result is -3k which wipes out the season's winnings and then some. I had subscribed to Morrison's service start of August, good thing I can get a refund till end of Sept I suppose, but whatever claims he has about this being a "day job crushing system" is pretty much the hype I imagined it to be. Yeah, I know, its gambling, went into it with this as a given, don't mind taking a chance and it not panning out, nothing I couldn't afford to lose anyway. The real loss isn't the money, I can always make more of that stuff, its the idea of being able to do what Morrison claims to do, make a living at it. Not that I was looking for a mansion and a Ferrari, a extra 30k a year opens up a lot of life options. But it boils down one thing...hype. I suppose if I was happy just winning $10 or $15 a play this could be deemed a amusing way to host bragging rights, but not being a sports guy I never did get that. Oh well, better to know now then when serious money is involved.
Just wanted to toss out a thanks to the contributors of the thread so far, but this pretty much is over for me.
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SpookyFellowSBR MVP
- 08-01-09
- 1687
#1217I am sorry to say this, but he never pays refunds. It is a lie. JM is a scum bag.Originally posted by seeker1728
Today's Arizona play stuck me hard. Nothing i can't afford to lose mind you, but net result is -3k which wipes out the season's winnings and then some. I had subscribed to Morrison's service start of August, good thing I can get a refund till end of Sept I suppose, but whatever claims he has about this being a "day job crushing system" is pretty much the hype I imagined it to be.Comment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1218JM MLB System
2012 Official season series record 24-1 (v1)
(A) 14-11
(B) 5-6
(C) 4-2
(D) 1-0
V2 plays 3-5
V3 system 12-2
Unofficial series 48-1
(A) 31-18
(B) 14-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 8-3
Official
08/26/2012 Arizona (.496) v San Diego (.483) M/L (C) V2 LOSS
Next Plays
Official
08/27/2012 Chicago Cubs (.468) v Milwaukee (.479) +1.5 R/L (A) 4 gm. set
*Unofficial*
08/27/2012 Cleveland (.486) v Oakland (.517) +1.5 R/L (A) 4 gm. set (poss.V3)
08/27/2012 Minnesota (.482) v Seattle (.503) +1.5 R/L (A) 4 gm. set
Upcoming Plays
08/28/2012 Kansas City v Detroit
08/28/2012 Houston v San Francisco
08/28/2012 Boston @ LA Angels
08/30/2012 LA Dodgers v Arizona
08/30/2012 Toronto v Tampa Bay
Notes: Well we were all hoping to go through the season undefeated on the official plays. That one hurt, especially if you played it V2 like I did. It basically wipes out all profit from the official plays. I'll give an accounting in the next post. It seems like every year once we get to around the middle of August everything is okay and then after that things get a little shaky. I know Morrison takes his official plays to the end of August but I might rethink that going forward. Also the V2 plays have proven to be a bit shaky. I know most of the series have won when playing them but it really increases the risk and look what happened yesterday. Morrison sent out the last 2 emails in generic fashion and did not mention Arizona as a V2 play either day but they were. I emailed him and called him on it, but of course no response.
There were 2 sweeps yesterday with future plays
09/07 ARI @ SDG
09/25 WAS @ PHI
That ARI/SDG play in Sept. will be a very powerful play because of the double sweep but it will be listed as unofficial because of the timeline.
GL All
P.S. I can't wait to see Morrison try and explain this one away.Comment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1219Here's what you would have lost on the Arizona series if you were playing to win $100.
(A) bet to win $100 at -180 odds - $180 LOSS
(B) bet to win $380 at -167 odds -$635 LOSS
(recover $180 lost on (A) bet
plus $200 profit V2)
(C) bet to win $1015 at -150 odds - $1523 LOSS
(recover $180 lost on (A) bet,
$635 lost on (B) bet and $200
profit on the V2 play)
TOTAL LOSS - $2338 or 23.4 units
Now if you just played without the V2 you would have lost considerably less but we are tracking this system strictly by the rules that JM has set forth.Comment -
hagball52SBR MVP
- 09-22-10
- 3053
#1220Here's his email. Didn't even mention the loss. Maybe he'll just pretend it never happened.
James,
Today we have an official [A] bet on the Chicago Cubs. For tracking
purposes, there are 2 unofficial [A] bets on Minnesota and Cleveland.
Good luck!
John Morrison, PhD
P.S. Check out my revolutionary new service, the "Sports Picks
Buffet" where I subscribe to over 500 world-famous sports
handicappers, reveal to you in my private members area ALL of their
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where most of all handicappers tend to agree on! Go to:
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mgt_3SBR High Roller
- 03-18-12
- 181
#1221Hag, I already received John's email and I'm sure u did too, but its funny how he doesn't mention anything about the Arizona loss but then again in not surprised. I think we already know what his explanation might be.... A bunch of BS talk about what the rest of the season holds and the boat load of money we will make come NFL season... Blah blah blah. Anyway thanks HAG for all time and effort u put into this thread, greatly appreciated!Originally posted by hagball52
P.S. I can't wait to see Morrison try and explain this one away.Comment -
19th HoleSBR Posting Legend- 03-22-09
- 18389
#1222~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Originally posted by seeker1728.....I had subscribed to Morrison's service start of August, good thing I can get a refund till end of Sept I suppose, .....
Seeker...
The key to getting your money back depends on how you funded your payment to J.M.
Did you use a CC? You can contest the issue w/ a **********.
Good Luck..
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TwoCatsSBR High Roller
- 07-14-12
- 231
#1223Quite agree!Originally posted by mgt_3Anyway thanks HAG for all time and effort u put into this thread, greatly appreciated!
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NZT-48SBR Wise Guy
- 05-29-11
- 522
#1224Wrong if you used clickbank to pay him then you are good refunds are always available with them.....I believe within 60-90 days for anything for any product for any reason at any time so if the seeker paid that way he should be fine
Originally posted by SpookyFellowI am sorry to say this, but he never pays refunds. It is a lie. JM is a scum bag.Comment -
19th HoleSBR Posting Legend- 03-22-09
- 18389
#1225TrueThisOriginally posted by NZT-48Wrong if you used clickbank to pay him then you are good refunds are always available with them.....I believe within 60-90 days for anything for any product for any reason at any time so if the seeker paid that way he should be fine
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