tampa bay today

[ryanXL977]

this team is legit. also, and more importantly, cleveland sucks a fat mans dick

james shields at plus money, why not take a shot. we al know cliff lee is nothing to write home about
fade him

[sickness]

i like over 7.5 in this game.

probably the only one with this play.

[DarkLord_Rathi]

Take the under..both of the bats are cold

[ryanXL977]

tampa is gonna break out
they are legit
they are real

[fifawcs]

I'm really liking the Indians in this game. I don't think the Rays will manage to get a run. They cannot hit lefties, so don't expect them to crush Cy Young Cliff Lee. Also, James Shields has a horrible road ERA. Expect a score similar to yesterday's.

[R3Sports]

I like TB, might play it...

honestly not sure yet.

[chipski]

seems the rays over the top success so far has them sputtering to the break ..

tough choice in this one

[ryanXL977]

they got beaten in ny, not a big deal, most teams do
then lost one to cleve

[R3Sports]

Leaning more and more towards the Rays..

Whats the value, right now I have +100

[woodg8]

Cleveland sucks? Did you see yesterday's game?

[ryanXL977]

dude, this isnt soccer
its baseball, its one game of 162
one game dude
check the records

[awholelottalumps]

Something is telling me that the public is going to jump all over Cleveland in this one so back Tampa Bay here as it's the logical thing to do.

[BadBeatBodog]

I am tempted towards TB. The public is all over Cle as far as I know, and while Cliff Lee is very good Shields is no slouch. On the surface he's struggled on the road but that's largely due to an inflated BAbip of .336 away from Tropicana. And despite yesterday's outcome TB still has the offensive and defensive advantage.

[ryanXL977]

shileds is as good as lee, and team and pen is more important that starter

[chipski]

rays on 4 game skid , indians broke 10 game losing streak yesterday beating the rays .. clev going right back in the L column would be worth a shot ONLY iF CLEV WAS ON THE ROAD AND NOT FEATURING THEIR ACE AT HOME .. clev should be pissed off tonight and focused wanting to prove everyone wrong that they suck .. they have great players just like the rays do ..

rays have proven everyone wrong this year so they could be the exception to the rule . who knows which way the game will swing . i like a one run decision ..

[ryanXL977]

remember, they can be as pissed as they want, so what. tb is better. i am sure tb is pissed losing 4 in a row
cleve has no pen. none, zero

[chipski]

okay forget pissed , how about focused .. locked and loaded after putting up 13 runs last night against the same team they play tonight <>

thought rays closer was out , left hamstring

[ryanXL977]

he is but they still have a good pen
cleve has no pen
not one guy
and very little offense

[chipski]

if anyone culd be labeled a loose cannon , it would be shields ..
so if he has an altercation and is ejected i wonder which side people would wish they were on then .. haha

odds on that
ejected +250
is not ejected -300

[ryanXL977]

well if he gets tossed than i will probably lose
but cleveland has trouble scoring period

[chipski]

he is but they still have a good pen
cleve has no pen
not one guy
and very little offense

indians past 7 games averaged 5.4 rpg
rays last 7 averaged 4.3 rpg

indians average 4.5 rpg overall and 4.5 vs right handers
rays average 3.8 vs lefthanders and 4.7 overall

indians have won the last 9 games playing tb in clev
have beaten tb like a drum overall in recent history

rays on 4th game of 6 game road trip eating hotel food and sleeping in strange beds ..
breathing the wonderful clev ohio air .

[ryanXL977]

those stats mean zip to me
this is a diff tb team and a diff cleve team
cleve has no pen, no victor, no hafner

[chipski]

the stats for rpg are this year and they just beat them last night 13 - 2 .
they slaughtered the rays bullpen with a 7 run 8th inn

odds on glover seeing action tonight
yes +400
no -500

[ryanXL977]

that game was one game
who is better, cleve or tb
who wins more games this yr

[chipski]

right , was one game , just like tonight .
who wins more games i would say tb .
which that prediction is not relevant to lee pitching great and shutting down tb tonight in clev on the last fri night before the all star break ..
could lee say f it and pitch like crap , sure he could . who knows ..
could it be fixed , who knows .
if it is on the up and up then the home team with lee is the play .
along with aLL the other factors that exist >>> TIMEFRAME ..

usually a team playing at home with thier ace on the mound after breaking a long miserable losing streak wins the next game AT HOME . throw in that it is on a fri night for the big fri night crowd pleaser .. then there it is .

GL

[ryanXL977]

i think tb is value
we shall see

[ryanXL977]

i am about ready to bail on tb on the road

[rake922]

ryan, what percent of bets do you win?

[woodg8]

dude, this isnt soccer
its baseball, its one game of 162
one game dude
check the records

it may not be soccer, why you're referring to soccer in this context makes no sense anyway. baseball has alot of coparisons to cricket. you can see the cleveland batters are in good form. confidence is gonna be high, and they're showing that today.

records only tell you so much.

[ryanXL977]

what am i saying is this

first: records tell you everything, thats all you can measure a team by, thats what matters
secondly,. i watch cleveland a lot, they are my favorite team, and they are awful. they have conceded their season and they are not good. so i dont really care if they won last night. is everyone who won last night good?

[woodg8]

it's not a question of being good, it's a question of being on form. rubbish teams can go on rolls too, in any sport. a win brings confidence that can stem through the team.

and if you're measuring teams only on records then, sorry to say, i'd never back a pick of yours

[ryanXL977]

it's not a question of being good, it's a question of being on form. rubbish teams can go on rolls too, in any sport. a win brings confidence that can stem through the team.

and if you're measuring teams only on records then, sorry to say, i'd never back a pick of yours

again, this isnt soccer
you are using metaphors for the wrong sport
i assure you cleveland isnt good, they are missing half the team they ahd last year, two of their best starters, their best relievers, and 3 of their top 6 hitters.
they are not good and are not capable of winning 75 games as constituted

[fifawcs]

I happen to think a team like the Mariners has a lot of value even though their record sucks.

[ryanXL977]

how so
they have no hitters, they dont get on base, they dont walk, they cant hit homers. they are overapid and slow

[fifawcs]

The Mariners offense beats up on lefties. Anytime they face a lefty you have to give them a shot, provided that they have a decent pitcher on the mound.