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  • Vegas Gold
    SBR MVP
    • 05-13-10
    • 1118

    #141
    Originally posted by fitguy67
    Hey, VG...I like your style. I have one question tho'...what is supposed to happen on the third play after two successive losses with the same team. It appears that you've done two different things so far...

    When SFO lost 1.30, then another 3.06 (trying to win 2.30=the 1.30 lost on game#1 plus a fresh 1.00 for game#2), for a two game loss of 4.36...your next play tried only to recoup just the "small change" 0.36 bit of the 2-game-loss (aiming only for 1.36)...i thought then that your approach was just to recoup enough to just "clean up the loss" to an even whole number of units. If the team finally wins game 3, at least you end up with a "tidy" subtraction from the unit tally (just as every win leaves ends up giving us a "tidy" addition.) In this case we end the three game set down exactly 3.00 units.

    But the next time a team lost g1, and recuperative g2 successively (DET, -1.10/push/-1.49 in pursuit of a 2.10 win) for a 2.59 loss...i would have expected you'd shoot for 1.59 in game 3 (which was the second game of sunday's double-header) enough to register a tidy loss of just 1.00 if successful...instead you repeated the previous bet and aimed for 2.59 again which would have left us with a different sort of consolation if game 3 were to succeed (that of losing, on balance...only game 1).

    In addition to winning its own fresh 1.00 unit, what is the third bet supposed to be trying to recoup from losses suffered the previous two games...enough to tidy up the net loss to a round number (as with SFO), or enough to nullify the game#2 loss (as we just saw with DET)...or is something else going on.

    Finally, I think you'll be happy to know that you've been shortchanging yourself a unit ever since Week#1, Day#2 (when g2 chase wins of 2.65 and 2.72 gave you 5.37...which added onto day#1's nice start of 2.63 to make 8.00 (not 7.00). So you now stand after 10 calendar days (9 with actual play) at 23-13 (63.9% of 36) and +14.44 (one more than the +13.44 you're reporting now).

    BOL on the big Monday slate...
    Thank you Fitguy67.....I should put you on my staff.......If you are sure, I will change it......Vegas Gold
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    • Vegas Gold
      SBR MVP
      • 05-13-10
      • 1118

      #142
      Originally posted by fitguy67
      Damn it still doesn't make sense...after Det's g2, we're down 2.59...what was the logic of betting to win 2.10 units on the third game?

      Think i figured it out...Ideally, if it weren't a double header you'd have been able to tell us to next bet to win 1.59 (enough to at least tidy up the units lost, just like you did with SFO)...but because it was a double-header and you wouldn't be able to state the odds in your usual format...you told us to just "repeat" the bet, which was a close enough approximation

      I'm interested in this cuz I'm interested in chalk- (but not loss-) recovery bet-sizing methods. Marty and Labby's get scary cuz they impatiently try to recoup previous losses...but methods that aim at recouping only the chalk effectively reward you after your last win to the "+100" state, and are almost as easy to "sleep" with as straight flat betting.
      Fitguy67.......I like you.....You are smart.....I hope that you are up 14 units over the late 10 days......Keep your eyes and ears open........Vegas Gold......
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      • Vegas Gold
        SBR MVP
        • 05-13-10
        • 1118

        #143
        Results.......Vegas Gold.......Monday.......May 30.......Day 4 of week 2

        Results.......Vegas Gold.......Monday.......May 30.......Day 4 of week 2

        Boston -175.............bet 1.75 units to win 1 unit........L -1.75
        Tampa Bay -115......bet 1.15 units to win 1 unit.........L -1.15
        Detroit -145.............bet 1.45 units to win 1 unit.......W +1.00
        Atlanta -180............bet 1.80 units to win 1 unit.........L -1.80
        St. Louis -141..........bet 1.41 units to win 1 unit........L -1.41
        Cincinnati -121.......bet 1.21 units to win 1 unit.........W +1.00
        Arizona -106...........bet 1.06 units to win 1 unit.........W +1.00

        We were down $311 last night. We are now up $240 for week 2.
        We are also up 11.33 units or $1133 since we started 11 days ago.
        Look for a winning day Tuesday......VG
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        • fitguy67
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 03-13-11
          • 5082

          #144
          I'm on board, and i like your sensible approach to the 3-game "chase". Game two goes for the full 1-unit prize by trying to recover any losses and chalk from game 1. But after getting burnt twice, you just go for a modest consolation prize in game 3...nice if you get it, but with no JM-type suicidal consequences.

          As long as your 3-game-loss series doesn't get much over their roughly-expeced 12.5% (1 in 8) of all series (of any length)...i can see how you'll always be "golden". As long as the small & flat to-win prize (2.5% of roll, as you've configured it...but i've "super-chickened" it down even further to 1%) is adhered to, I can see how the "chalk buildup" problem (the bad part of going with faves) is dealt with systematically as the hi-hit-rate (the good part of going with faves) eventually kicks in. Only problem i could see is that near the end of the season, there might not be enough games remaining to "clear" the loss-and-chalk buildup from a crappy run...so it'd be wise to start gearing down as season tails off.

          I'm on for the intriguing bumps-guaranteed upward ride. Thanks, VG
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          • Vegas Gold
            SBR MVP
            • 05-13-10
            • 1118

            #145
            Vegas Gold.......Tues.......May 31.......Day 5 of week 2

            Vegas Gold.......Tues.......May 31.......Day 5 of week 2

            Boston -160.............bet 4.4 units to win 2.75 units
            Tampa Bay +129......bet 1.67 units to win 2.15 units
            Atlanta -115............bet 3.22 units to win 2.80 units
            St. Louis -160..........bet 3.86 units to win 2.41 units

            We were down $311 last night. We are now up $240 for week 2.
            We are also up 11.33 units or $1133 since we started 11 days ago.
            Look for a winning day Tuesday......VG
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            • Vegas Gold
              SBR MVP
              • 05-13-10
              • 1118

              #146
              We were down 3.06 units last night. We are now down .66 units or $66 for week 2.
              We are also up 8.27 units or $827 since we started 12 days ago.
              Wednesday finishes this series. Look for 2 wins......VG
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              • Vegas Gold
                SBR MVP
                • 05-13-10
                • 1118

                #147
                Vegas Gold.......Wednesday.......June 1.......Day 6 of week 2

                Vegas Gold.......Wednesday.......June 1.......Day 6 of week 2

                Boston -140............bet 7.56 units to win 5.40 units
                Atlanta -185............bet 7.81 units to win 4.22 units


                We were down 3.06 units last night. We are now down .66 units or $66 for week 2.
                We are also up 8.27 units or $827 since we started 12 days ago.
                Wednesday finishes this series. Look for 2 wins......VG
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                • Vegas Gold
                  SBR MVP
                  • 05-13-10
                  • 1118

                  #148
                  Vegas Gold.......Thursday.......June 2.......Day 7 of week 2

                  Cleveland -130............bet 1.95 units to win 1.50 units
                  Arizona -125................bet 1.88 units to win 1.50 units


                  We were down 3.34 units last night. We are now down 4.0 units or $400 for week 2.
                  We are also up 4.93 units or $493 since we started 13 days ago.
                  Bad couple of days....Sht happens......VG
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                  • syy211
                    Restricted User
                    • 12-28-09
                    • 468

                    #149
                    like the zona pick. gl on the game.
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                    • portnoy65
                      SBR Sharp
                      • 08-18-10
                      • 435

                      #150
                      Best of Luck VG!!!
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                      • MrShrink
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-19-10
                        • 1054

                        #151
                        Just found this thread. I don't "blindly tail", but i dig your style and attitude. Seems like you know what's up. Despite these past few days (like u said, it happens) I will be back. Thanks and GL tomorrow.

                        Oh, and just out of curiosity, if you don't mind me asking... Were you helping them-O set lines or something? Where did the conflict lie? Please feel free to just ignore this question if you'd rather not respond. I will take no offense. Thanks, again.
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                        • zacharyj53
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-07-10
                          • 2514

                          #152
                          You will get back on track.
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                          • Duby
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-26-09
                            • 3608

                            #153
                            Love the Zona pick. Best of luck
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                            • tayco
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 05-02-10
                              • 182

                              #154
                              BOL to everyone today!
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                              • Smithers-Jones
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 05-06-10
                                • 562

                                #155
                                Dust ourselves down and go again,
                                good luck everyone
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                                • Pluthero
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 12-09-09
                                  • 992

                                  #156
                                  Yep, I'm on board with both of these. Thanks VG!
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                                  • 9nickel
                                    SBR Hustler
                                    • 05-25-11
                                    • 51

                                    #157
                                    we'll turn this around tomorrow
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                                    • Reno Gambler
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 03-24-09
                                      • 175

                                      #158
                                      G/L tomorrow!!
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                                      • zacharyj53
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 08-07-10
                                        • 2514

                                        #159
                                        AZ just not hitting the ball tonight.
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                                        • Inspirited
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 06-26-10
                                          • 1789

                                          #160
                                          indians up 3-0 early and can't keep it.
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                                          • syy211
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 12-28-09
                                            • 468

                                            #161
                                            think zona bounce back next game
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                                            • MrShrink
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 01-19-10
                                              • 1054

                                              #162
                                              Holy hell, syy... Looks like you were on fire last month. If you're not gonna hook up any picks, can I at least take a ride on your sbr segway?
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                                              • karlito
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 04-19-10
                                                • 360

                                                #163
                                                hi VG everyone may have a couple of bad days it s gonna be better. I used home team chase system 2 years ago and didnt success maybe you have a better choice of matches. But it seems to me that too much money put in for not big gain. So how did it work last year? fellas are telling that you had a great season last year. Thanks for all the hard work and GL
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                                                • Duby
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-26-09
                                                  • 3608

                                                  #164
                                                  Best of luck with the weekend set
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                                                  • syy211
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 12-28-09
                                                    • 468

                                                    #165
                                                    ha .. i was lucky, hit couple parlay those days. wisely redeem half of my points for a PS3 (tks for SBR). and i lost the other half quickly on the following days

                                                    i don't blind tail either, many good capper on the site. cross reference theirs idea usually is good.
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                                                    • Vegas Gold
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 05-13-10
                                                      • 1118

                                                      #166
                                                      Vegas Gold.......Friday.......June 3.......Day 1 of week 3

                                                      Vegas Gold.......Friday.......June 3.......Day 1 of week 3

                                                      Cleveland +110............bet 3.14 units to win 3.45 units
                                                      Florida -125.................bet 1.88 units to win 1.50 units
                                                      Boston -190..................bet 2.85 units to win 1.50 units
                                                      San Fran -125...............bet 1.88 units to win 1.50 units
                                                      St. Louis -164...............bet 2.46 units to win 1.50 units
                                                      Cincinnati -126.............bet 1.89 units to win 1.50 units
                                                      Arizona -166.................bet 5.61 units to win 3.38 units


                                                      We are also up 1.10 units or $110 since we started 14 days ago.
                                                      Bad week......This happens......We are still up......VG
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                                                      • syy211
                                                        Restricted User
                                                        • 12-28-09
                                                        • 468

                                                        #167
                                                        good call on zona!!! keep it coming vg!
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                                                        • Vegas Gold
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 05-13-10
                                                          • 1118

                                                          #168
                                                          Results.......Vegas Gold.......Friday.......June 3.......Day 1 of week 3

                                                          Results.......Vegas Gold.......Friday.......June 3.......Day 1 of week 3

                                                          Cleveland +110............bet 3.14 units to win 3.45 units.......L -3.14
                                                          Florida -125.................bet 1.88 units to win 1.50 units.......L -1.88
                                                          Boston -190..................bet 2.85 units to win 1.50 units.......W +1.50
                                                          San Fran -125...............bet 1.88 units to win 1.50 units.......W +1.50
                                                          St. Louis -164...............bet 2.46 units to win 1.50 units.......W +1.50
                                                          Cincinnati -126.............bet 1.89 units to win 1.50 units.......W +1.50
                                                          Arizona -166.................bet 5.61 units to win 3.38 units.......W +3.38

                                                          We won 4.36 units or $436 Friday night
                                                          We are also up 5.46 units or $546 since we started 15 days ago.
                                                          Good start this week......VG
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                                                          • Vegas Gold
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 05-13-10
                                                            • 1118

                                                            #169
                                                            Vegas Gold.......Saturday.......June 4.......Day 2 of week 3

                                                            Vegas Gold.......Saturday.......June 4.......Day 2 of week 3

                                                            Cleveland -114............bet 3.42 units to win 3.00 units
                                                            Florida +130................bet 2.31 units to win 3.00 units


                                                            We won 4.36 units or $436 Friday night
                                                            We are also up 5.46 units or $546 since we started 15 days ago.
                                                            Good start this week......VG
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                                                            • CTOWNsCAPPIN
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 02-11-11
                                                              • 3079

                                                              #170
                                                              Nice bounce back VG! Like the Indians today!
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                                                              • TheChancellor
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 11-29-09
                                                                • 323

                                                                #171
                                                                Well, back to square one. Need another bounce back day VG, let's roll.
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                                                                • guesshwu
                                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                                  • 05-09-11
                                                                  • 22

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Got anything today vg?? Hope youve been good bud
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                                                                  • zacharyj53
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 08-07-10
                                                                    • 2514

                                                                    #173
                                                                    Did VG disappear?
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                                                                    • alexy
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 05-23-10
                                                                      • 217

                                                                      #174
                                                                      Where is vg?
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                                                                      • portnoy65
                                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                                        • 08-18-10
                                                                        • 435

                                                                        #175
                                                                        VG missed?????
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