Best Manager in Baseball

presley177 · 03-15-06, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by bigboydan

I ask because I was reading the AP's report about the Braves resigning Bobby Cox through 2007, and I caught the following quote from John Schuerholz.

Cox is 7th on the all-time wins list with 2,092. He's led Atlanta to 14 consecutive division titles, and has won the last two NL manager of the year awards. But is he the best manager in baseball? And if not, then who is it?

I felt Lou Pinella was the best but he's now retired. I'd say Bobby Cox 2nd...Larussa or Frank Robinson 3rd/4th and from the American league Sciosia and Gardenhire are the best in the American League

onlooker · 03-15-06, 09:43 PM

Kinda hard to beat out Bobby Cox with everything he has done with the Braves. Most managers cant even stay with a team 14 season, no less win 14 straight division titles. His longevity, and winning ways put him in the top, if not at the top.

presley177 · 03-15-06, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by onlòóker

Kinda hard to beat out Bobby Cox with everything he has done with the Braves. Most managers cant even stay with a team 14 season, no less win 14 straight division titles. His longevity, and winning ways put him in the top, if not at the top.

He more than anyone has also had the benefit of having the best coaches always around him I think. It always seems like he's always got a great supporting cast of coaches.

..plus they have the best g.m in baseball. (with the White Sox Ken Williams being slightly behind)

Winston Smith · 03-15-06, 10:38 PM

Walt Jockety's the only other GM in the same breath as Scheurholtz, IMO.

presley177 · 03-15-06, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Winston Smith

Walt Jockety's the only other GM in the same breath as Scheurholtz, IMO.

Ken Williams the past two offseasons I think has elevated him into the top mix. Billy Beane of the A's should also get some cosideration although I still think he's a tad bit overrated.

Winston Smith · 03-15-06, 10:43 PM

I'm impressed by Williams, don't get me wrong. Jockety just has a longer track record.

presley177 · 03-15-06, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Winston Smith

I'm impressed by Williams, don't get me wrong. Jockety just has a longer track record.

no argument there.

Have you signed up yet for the league yet?

Winston Smith · 03-15-06, 10:47 PM

I have the ID and stuff. I was going to do it today, but I got sidetracked with the brackets. I'll be in there soon. Thanks.

Illusion · 03-16-06, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by onlòóker

Kinda hard to beat out Bobby Cox with everything he has done with the Braves. Most managers cant even stay with a team 14 season, no less win 14 straight division titles. His longevity, and winning ways put him in the top, if not at the top.

Cox is my choice by a mile. He just keeps winning and winning. Too bad he couldn't win more in the postseason however.

imgv94 · 03-16-06, 02:05 AM

It isn't Joe Torre. He falls asleep during games. Even playoff games. Yankees
could win 100 games even if Illusion was there manager.NO Offense Illusion!!

presley177 · 03-16-06, 02:11 AM

It's really hard to pick the "best" manager out of the A.L .

All they really do is manage their pitching staffs.

Illusion · 03-16-06, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

It isn't Joe Torre. He falls asleep during games. Even playoff games. Yankees
could win 100 games even if Illusion was there manager.NO Offense Illusion!!

I'm sure I could, lol. Torre is over-rated.

imgv94 · 03-16-06, 02:17 AM

I think Dusty Baker is really over-rated. I am glad though cause of him
The Angels Won the World Series!! LOL.. Angels play the Yankees damn
good. Angels & the Devil Rays are two teams that play the Yankees
really good. I aint fvckin with the Yankees when they play those 2
teams.

presley177 · 03-16-06, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

I think Dusty Baker is really over-rated. I am glad though cause of him
The Angels Won the World Series!! LOL.. Angels play the Yankees damn
good. Angels & the Devil Rays are two teams that play the Yankees
really good. I aint fvckin with the Yankees when they play those 2
teams.

imo Dusty Baker is the worst manager in baseball

Illusion · 03-16-06, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by presley177

imo Dusty Baker is the worst manager in baseball

I'm gonna have to second that one.

Willie Bee · 03-16-06, 09:34 AM

Cox is hard to ignore for #1, as much as it pains me to say that.

Torre might not be the best or even in the top 5 or so. But until someone else has the success he has managed between the high-priced egos in the clubhouse and the huge ego in the owner's box, suggesting he is overrated is a bit dramatic.

clonecat · 03-16-06, 10:08 AM

I am interested to see how Cox does without Rockin Leo this season. I think Mazzone was an integral part of everything that has happened in Atlanta for the past 14 years. Doesn't help that the Mets have been spending money like drunkin' sailors either.

Ned Yost is the best up and coming manager in my opinion.

I have never thought Larussa was that good of a manager as I think he always leaves his starters in too long. Wears on there arms to much in the regular season, so they have nothing left at the end of the year.

I think Phil Garner is a pretty good manager also.

I wish Earl Weaver was still around. I'd love to see him get tossed from both ends of a double header again.

bigboydan · 03-16-06, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by presley177

Ken Williams the past two offseasons I think has elevated him into the top mix. Billy Beane of the A's should also get some cosideration although I still think he's a tad bit overrated.

no way it's ken williams. i felt hawk harrelson was a better GM for that 1 year he was there in chi-town

btw, i'm sure the A's and cardnails are very happy that Hawk harrelson got rid of Tony Larussa.

presley177 · 03-16-06, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by bigboydan

no way it's ken williams. i felt hawk harrelson was a better GM for that 1 year he was there in chi-town

btw, i'm sure the A's and cardnails are very happy that Hawk harrelson got rid of Tony Larussa.

lol Hawk's tenure is a little before my time but I've looked back/heard of the moves he made. thankfully they wised up and got him out.

Noone can argue that Ken Williams has made the best off-season moves for both this year thus far and last year..(and probably the year prior to that when he aquired Loaiza, Uribe, Politte