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    SBR Wise Guy
    • 05-14-10
    • 876

    #1
    empty cookie jar's public trends
    Just a quick explanation of what I am trying to do here:

    The idea is to identify which spots it is profitable to either fade or tail the public. This worked well for me at the start of the season, but due to shoddy record keeping on my part, once the trends I was playing broke down on me, I didn't know where to go. After taking some time off to decide how to move forward, I am up and running again. Let me go ahead and answer some questions that I anticipate will come.

    1) Public numbers. When I refer to the public, I am referring to posters at gambling forums and not percentages provided by a line service. 2 hours prior to the first pitch, I track posters from several different forums and tally up their plays, so my numbers will most likely vary a great deal than SI or a similar site.

    2) My intention is to share information and not picks. I will post the stats that I use; what you decide to do with the information is up to you.

    3) Line moves. For the most part, the lines I show will be accurate, but due to the fact that I start my process 2 hours prior to the first pitch, there will usually be a couple of line differentials. I ALWAYS use the line that was available when I start the process. This is for record keeping purposes. For instance, tonight when I started the tally, the Phillies were -201. By the time I finished, the line was -193. For record keeping purposes, I used -201.

    4) I will provide the day's tally anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes prior to the first pitch, depending on how long it takes. I will place my bets before posting the tally in this thread for obvious reasons. In the instance where there are day games (such as tomorrow and on weekends), there will be two separate tallies.

    5) Questions and comments are welcome, but please no bashing. It won't take much for me to grab my balls and go home. Like I said, the purpose of this is to share information and not provide picks. There are those who find this type of information useless -- check, I got it.

    Below is a snapshot of what I have tracked. I have everything broken down from public % on each line (i.e. 60% on home faves of -130 to -139), but will spare you those details (not enough there yet anyways). Feel free to ask questions, my intent is to be helpful. RF equals road favorites, and so on and so forth.
  • empty cookie jar
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 05-14-10
    • 876

    #2
    need to fix
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    • empty cookie jar
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 05-14-10
      • 876

      #3
      Sides

      Qualifying sides

      RF: 4-5


      HF: 13-6

      RD: 2-5

      HD: 2-0

      Overall: 21-16


      Non qualifying sides

      RF: 2-2

      HF: 6-5

      RD: 0-9

      HD: 1-1

      Overall: 9-17

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      • empty cookie jar
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 05-14-10
        • 876

        #4
        Totals

        Qualifying Overs:

        90-100%: 0-0

        80-89%: 0-0


        70-79%: 0-1

        60-69%: 0-1


        51-59%: 0-0

        Qualifying Unders:

        90-100%: 1-0

        80-89%: 3-0

        70-79%: 1-0

        60-69%: 1-0

        51-59%: 0-0
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        • empty cookie jar
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 05-14-10
          • 876

          #5
          Totals

          Non qualifying Overs:

          90-100%: 3-6

          80-89%: 0-0

          70-79%: 0-2

          60-69%: 3-1

          51-59%: 0-0


          Non qualifying Unders:

          90-100%: 5-4

          80-89%: 0-0

          70-79%: 2-0


          60-69%: 1-1


          51-59%: 0-0
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          • empty cookie jar
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 05-14-10
            • 876

            #6
            we'll see how this goes

            1st pitch scheduled for 12:35 EST tomorrow, should have the 1st tally up no later than 12:20.....hopefully a little sooner
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            • empty cookie jar
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 05-14-10
              • 876

              #7
              early tally

              Qualified sides:

              Toronto (HF, 69%)

              Detroit (HF, 75%)

              TB (HF, 77%)


              Unqualified sides:

              Fla. (HF, 88%)

              NO TOTALS QUALIFY

              Unqualified Overs:

              Milwaukee/Cincy O9 1/2 (75%)

              Az/Fla O8 (67%)


              Unqualified Unders:

              Mn/Toronto U8 (75%)

              Cle/TB U8 1/2 (75%)
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              • Panekkkk
                SBR MVP
                • 03-12-09
                • 2430

                #8
                Sounds like a reasonable approach, just hard to know whether you are following "good" posters or "bad" ones. There are a lot of shmucks who post plays day-in and day-out that lose and they float to different sites or recreate profiles.

                What do you mean by qualified/unqualified?
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                • empty cookie jar
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 05-14-10
                  • 876

                  #9
                  I lump all the posters together to try and keep as much emotion out of it as possible. I have been around the forums long enough to recognize some of the solid posters, but to keep from nit picking, everyone gets put into the same boat.

                  Qualified and unqualified are simply the # of posters who are on that particular game. When I started this, I was only tracking games that had a certain amount of plays -- say a minimum of 20 posters -- but I noticed that some of the smaller played games seemed to be providing some trends of their own. Once the trends that were working started to break down on me, I took some time off and decided to track the plays that had a smaller amount of players on them as well.

                  This I think will affect the totals more than the sides, as more players tend to play sides than totals, so therefore I expect to see many more unqualified totals plays than qualified.

                  I also do my best from duplicating picks -- say X poster at this forum posts plays at 3 different places under 3 different names......a lot of these guys use the same handle wherever they go, but there are some who post under different names, but most of these guys use the same style. I would say I'm about 75% successful in identifying these posters simply because I spend a lot of time traveling the forum world.
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                  • bigsmitty
                    SBR MVP
                    • 04-12-10
                    • 3026

                    #10
                    Sounds interesting. Be watching the stats compilation. Cheers
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                    • empty cookie jar
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 05-14-10
                      • 876

                      #11
                      evening tally

                      Qualified sides:

                      Phillies (HF, 88%)

                      Mets (RF, 71%)

                      Cubs (HF, 64%)

                      Cards (HF, 82%)

                      Unqualified sides:

                      SD (HF, 88%)

                      Dodgers (HF, 71%)

                      Yankees (HF, 63%)

                      KC (RF, 100%)

                      Angels (RD, 67%)

                      Qualified Totals:

                      At/NY U7 1/2 (80%)

                      LA/TX U 8 1/2 (89%)

                      Unqualified Totals:

                      Pitt/Philly U8 1/2 (67%)

                      SF/SD U6 (75%)

                      Bos/NY O9 (100%)

                      KC/Balt U7 1/2 (100%)
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                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 05-14-10
                        • 876

                        #12
                        updated records

                        Qualifying sides

                        RF: 4-5


                        HF: 14-6

                        RD: 2-5

                        HD: 2-0

                        Overall: 22-16


                        Non qualifying sides

                        RF: 2-2

                        HF: 7-7

                        RD: 0-10

                        HD: 1-1

                        Overall: 10-20
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                        • empty cookie jar
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 05-14-10
                          • 876

                          #13
                          Non qualifying Overs:

                          90-100%: 4-6

                          80-89%: 0-0

                          70-79%: 0-3

                          60-69%: 3-1

                          51-59%: 0-0


                          Non qualifying Unders:

                          90-100%: 6-4

                          80-89%: 0-0

                          70-79%: 3-2


                          60-69%: 2-1


                          51-59%: 0-0
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                          • empty cookie jar
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 05-14-10
                            • 876

                            #14
                            Qualifying Overs:

                            90-100%: 0-0

                            80-89%: 0-0


                            70-79%: 0-1

                            60-69%: 0-1


                            51-59%: 0-0

                            Qualifying Unders:

                            90-100%: 1-0

                            80-89%: 4-1

                            70-79%: 1-0

                            60-69%: 1-0

                            51-59%: 0-0
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                            • AnotherLoan
                              SBR MVP
                              • 07-21-08
                              • 2225

                              #15
                              Interesting.
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                              • empty cookie jar
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 05-14-10
                                • 876

                                #16
                                tonight's tally

                                Qualifying sides:

                                Phillies (HF, 88%)

                                Reds (RD, 76%)

                                Cards (HF, 64%)

                                Rangers (HF, 80%)

                                Angels (RD, 60%)


                                Unqualifying sides:

                                Washington (HF, 78%)

                                Pitt (HD, 67%)

                                Astros (HF, 57%)

                                SF (RD, 86%)

                                Cleveland (HF, 80%)

                                Minnesota (RD, 67%)

                                Detroit (RF, 56%)

                                Seattle (HF, 83%)

                                Qualifying Totals:

                                Detroit/Oak U7 (80%)

                                Non qualifying Totals:

                                Cubs/Phils U9 1/2 (100%)

                                SF/AZ U10 (100%)

                                SD/LA O8 (100%)

                                TB/NY O9 1/2 (75%)

                                Mn/Bos O9 1/2 (100%)

                                Baltimore/Tx U9 1/2 (100%)

                                Angels/CHW U8 1/2 (67%)

                                Tor/Sea O7 1/2 (100%)



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                                • empty cookie jar
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 05-14-10
                                  • 876

                                  #17
                                  updated records

                                  Qualifying sides

                                  RF: 4-5


                                  HF: 15-8

                                  RD: 3-6

                                  HD: 2-0

                                  Overall: 24-19


                                  Non qualifying sides

                                  RF: 3-2

                                  HF: 9-9

                                  RD: 0-12

                                  HD: 2-1

                                  Overall: 14-24
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                                  • empty cookie jar
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 05-14-10
                                    • 876

                                    #18
                                    Non qualifying Overs:

                                    90-100%: 5-8

                                    70-79%: 1-3

                                    60-69%: 3-1

                                    51-59%: 0-0


                                    Non qualifying Unders:

                                    90-100%: 8-5

                                    70-79%: 3-2

                                    60-69%: 3-1


                                    51-59%: 0-0
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                                    • empty cookie jar
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 05-14-10
                                      • 876

                                      #19
                                      Qualifying Overs:

                                      90-100%: 0-0

                                      80-89%: 0-0


                                      70-79%: 0-1

                                      60-69%: 0-1


                                      51-59%: 0-0

                                      Qualifying Unders:

                                      90-100%: 1-0

                                      80-89%: 5-1

                                      70-79%: 1-0

                                      60-69%: 1-0

                                      51-59%: 0-0
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                                      • empty cookie jar
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 05-14-10
                                        • 876

                                        #20
                                        early tally

                                        Qualified Sides:

                                        Phils (HF, 70%)

                                        Toronto (RF, 63%)

                                        Unqualified sides:


                                        Cincy (RD, 75%)


                                        Cards (HF, 57%)

                                        Cleveland (HF,78%)

                                        Oakland (HF, 63%)


                                        Qualified Totals:


                                        Cincy/Atlanta U7 1/2 (75%)

                                        Unqualified Totals:


                                        Fla/St. Louis U7 1/2 (67%)

                                        KC/Cle O9 (100%)

                                        Det/Oak U8 1/2 (100%)
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                                        • empty cookie jar
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 05-14-10
                                          • 876

                                          #21
                                          thursday night tally

                                          Qualified sides:

                                          SF (RF, 60%)

                                          Dodgers (HF, 63%)

                                          Yankees (HF, 80%)

                                          Unqualified sides:

                                          Houston (HD, 60%)

                                          Boston (HF, 75%)

                                          CHW (HF, 67%)

                                          Qualified Totals:

                                          Col/Hou U6 (100%)

                                          SF/Az U8 (100%)


                                          Unqualified Totals:

                                          SD/LA U7 (100%)

                                          TB/NY O9 (100%)


                                          Mn/Bos U8 (100%)
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                                          • empty cookie jar
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 05-14-10
                                            • 876

                                            #22
                                            updated records

                                            Qualifying sides

                                            RF: 4-7


                                            HF: 17-9

                                            RD: 3-6

                                            HD: 2-0

                                            Overall: 26-22


                                            Non qualifying sides

                                            RF: 4-2

                                            HF:11-11

                                            RD: 0-13

                                            HD: 2-2

                                            Overall: 17-28
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                                            • empty cookie jar
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 05-14-10
                                              • 876

                                              #23
                                              Non qualifying Overs:

                                              90-100%: 7-8

                                              70-79%: 1-3

                                              60-69%: 3-1

                                              Non qualifying Unders:

                                              90-100%: 10-5

                                              70-79%: 3-2

                                              60-69%: 4-1


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                                              • empty cookie jar
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 05-14-10
                                                • 876

                                                #24
                                                Qualifying Overs:

                                                90-100%: 0-0

                                                80-89%: 0-0


                                                70-79%: 0-1

                                                60-69%: 0-1


                                                51-59%: 0-0

                                                Qualifying Unders:

                                                90-100%: 2-1

                                                80-89%: 5-1

                                                70-79%: 1-1

                                                60-69%: 1-0

                                                51-59%: 0-0
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                                                • empty cookie jar
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 05-14-10
                                                  • 876

                                                  #25
                                                  friday night's tally

                                                  Qualified sides:

                                                  Braves (RF, 73%)

                                                  Cincy (RF, 91%)

                                                  Philly (HF, 67%)

                                                  Rays (RF, 95%)
                                                  *****

                                                  SF (RF, 62%)

                                                  Unqualified sides:

                                                  Washington (HF, 80%)

                                                  Yankees (RF, 78%)

                                                  Rangers (HF, 88%)


                                                  Florida (RD, 100%)

                                                  Colorado (RF, 64%)

                                                  Minnesota (HF, 100%)

                                                  Angels (RD, 67%)

                                                  Arizona (HF, 67%)


                                                  Dodgers (HF, 80%)


                                                  Qualified Totals:


                                                  Toronto/Az O9 1/2 (83%)

                                                  Unqualified Totals:

                                                  Atlanta/Pitt U8 (100%)

                                                  Bos/Philly O9 1/2 (100%)

                                                  Balt/Wash U9 (100%)

                                                  Yanks/Mets O9 (100%)

                                                  Mil/Mn O10 (67%)

                                                  Angels/Cards U8 (100%)

                                                  SD/Sea U6 (100%)
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                                                  • MartinBlank
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 07-20-08
                                                    • 8382

                                                    #26
                                                    Good luck tonight......interesting writeups.
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                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 05-14-10
                                                      • 876

                                                      #27
                                                      Thanks......

                                                      one more thing i am going to start tracking is the heaviest bet game of the day.....tonight that would be the TB/Hou game (i edited the post and put the stars next to it)
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                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 05-14-10
                                                        • 876

                                                        #28
                                                        updated records

                                                        Qualifying sides

                                                        RF: 6-9


                                                        HF: 18-9

                                                        RD: 3-6

                                                        HD: 2-0

                                                        Overall: 26-22



                                                        Non qualifying sides

                                                        RF: 5-3

                                                        HF:15-12

                                                        RD: 0-15

                                                        HD: 2-2

                                                        Overall: 21-32
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                                                        • empty cookie jar
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 05-14-10
                                                          • 876

                                                          #29
                                                          Non qualifying Overs:

                                                          90-100%: 7-10

                                                          70-79%: 1-3

                                                          60-69%: 4-1

                                                          Non qualifying Unders:

                                                          90-100%: 12-7

                                                          70-79%: 3-2

                                                          60-69%: 4-1
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                                                          • empty cookie jar
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 05-14-10
                                                            • 876

                                                            #30
                                                            Qualifying Overs:

                                                            90-100%: 0-0

                                                            80-89%: 1-0


                                                            70-79%: 0-1

                                                            60-69%: 0-1


                                                            51-59%: 0-0

                                                            Qualifying Unders:

                                                            90-100%: 2-1

                                                            80-89%: 5-1

                                                            70-79%: 1-1

                                                            60-69%: 1-0

                                                            51-59%: 0-0
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                                                            • playersonly69
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 01-04-08
                                                              • 12827

                                                              #31
                                                              Probably just easier to handicap your own plays
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                                                              • empty cookie jar
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 05-14-10
                                                                • 876

                                                                #32
                                                                early tally for saturday

                                                                Qualified sides:

                                                                White Sox (HF, 62%)

                                                                Twins (HF, 80%)*****

                                                                Unqualified sides:

                                                                Baltimore (RD, 56%)

                                                                SF (RD, 86%)

                                                                Colorado (RF, 78%)

                                                                Qualified Totals:

                                                                Baltimore/Wash U9 (83%)

                                                                Unqualified Totals:

                                                                Fla/CHW U9 (67%)

                                                                Angels/Cards U9 (100%)


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                                                                • empty cookie jar
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 05-14-10
                                                                  • 876

                                                                  #33
                                                                  saturday night tally

                                                                  Qualified sides

                                                                  Atlanta (RF, 87%)

                                                                  TB (RF, 84%)******

                                                                  Cincy (RF, 72%)

                                                                  Rangers (HF, 70%)

                                                                  Dodgers (HF, 60%)

                                                                  Seattle (HD, 58%)

                                                                  Unqualified sides:

                                                                  Arizona (HF, 88%)

                                                                  No totals qualify

                                                                  Unqualified Totals:

                                                                  TB/Hou U8 (100%)

                                                                  Cincy/Cle U8 1/2 (67%)

                                                                  Cubs/Rangers U9 1/2 (100%)

                                                                  Det/LA U8 (100%)


                                                                  Bos/Philly U10 1/2 (67%)

                                                                  NY/NY U7 1/2 (100%)
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                                                                  • empty cookie jar
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 05-14-10
                                                                    • 876

                                                                    #34
                                                                    updated records

                                                                    Qualifying sides

                                                                    RF: 9-9 (50%)


                                                                    HF: 21-10 (68%)

                                                                    RD: 3-6 (33%)

                                                                    HD: 2-1 (67%)

                                                                    Overall: 35-26 (57%)



                                                                    Non qualifying sides

                                                                    RF: 5-4 (56%)

                                                                    HF:16-12 (57%)

                                                                    RD: 0-17 (0%)

                                                                    HD: 2-2

                                                                    Overall: 23-35 (40%)
                                                                    Comment
                                                                    • empty cookie jar
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 05-14-10
                                                                      • 876

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Non qualifying Overs:

                                                                      90-100%: 7-10 (41%)

                                                                      70-79%: 1-3 (25%)

                                                                      60-69%: 4-1 (80%)

                                                                      Non qualifying Unders:

                                                                      90-100%: 14-10 (58%)

                                                                      70-79%: 3-2 (60%)

                                                                      60-69%: 6-2 (75%)
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