anyone see value in toronto +144

**The HG** · 04-17-07, 02:17 PM

Reds over I like, but Toronto, I don't know about. Ryan is out, so now Frasor is the closer. He might be ok, but it remains to be seen. Chacin tends to not go deep into games, and Dice K seems like the real deal. I'm looking more into this game as of now, but I don't see obvious value with Toronto.

**ShowMeDaMoney** · 04-17-07, 02:17 PM

I see value in any line against the Red Sox/Matsuzaka until D-Mats throws a real good game. His command clearly wasn't there last time and somehow they stayed in the game. Might not be as easy for the Red Sox to do that on the road against a better hitting Toronto team. I am not a huge Chacin fan, but at +144, if I were not a Red Sox fan... I would be on that one for sure. It's nearly impossible for me to leave my bias out of baseball, so I have opted to try to not bet ON or AGAINST the Red Sox for the rest of the year. I do like the value in that one a whole bunch though.

Also on the Yankees over tonight, which I really really like. Cleveland scoring over seven and a half a game on the road, while the Yanks are scoring just about seven a game at home. Over under is ten, I have 3 units on it and will likely put more in a little while.

**sabe** · 04-17-07, 02:17 PM

Perhaps, Dice-K is pretty good so far, but not immortal. I like Dice-K and the Blue Jays, so my guts tells me to stay out of this one.

**bigboydan** · 04-17-07, 02:30 PM

Expanding on the DiceK matter. This guy has 6 different pitches he can throw at you. Not to mention this is the first meeting of the year, and even though the Jays have had some success against the Red sox last year. I personally can't put much faith in trends from last year in the first meeting of the year.

**ShowMeDaMoney** · 04-17-07, 03:55 PM

For sure, anything from last year is irrelevant bc Mats is new to the MLB. I personally think the Sox squeek out a close one, but I am going to leave this one alone. Toronto has been hitting pretty well, and as of now are fairly under-rated in my book so I do think you can get good value on them from time to time.

Huge series for both teams, Sox would love to be able to pull out two outta three and then face the NYY this weekend on a roll.

**icsky3** · 04-17-07, 07:06 PM

looking real strong the the first 3. wooo dicek.

**AC1318** · 04-17-07, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by ShowMeDaMoney

I see value in any line against the Red Sox/Matsuzaka until D-Mats throws a real good game. His command clearly wasn't there last time and somehow they stayed in the game. Might not be as easy for the Red Sox to do that on the road against a better hitting Toronto team. I am not a huge Chacin fan, but at +144, if I were not a Red Sox fan... I would be on that one for sure. It's nearly impossible for me to leave my bias out of baseball, so I have opted to try to not bet ON or AGAINST the Red Sox for the rest of the year. I do like the value in that one a whole bunch though.

Also on the Yankees over tonight, which I really really like. Cleveland scoring over seven and a half a game on the road, while the Yanks are scoring just about seven a game at home. Over under is ten, I have 3 units on it and will likely put more in a little while.

nice call on the over
I saw the last 3 games one of the two starters playing tonight that started before the total runs scored were something like 15, 22 and 29 runs in each game

**Razz** · 04-17-07, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by bigboydan

Expanding on the DiceK matter. This guy has 6 different pitches he can throw at you.

Actually, it's 5 offspeed pitches and 2 fastballs. Which, to steal a line from Bill Simmons, gives him roughly seven more pitches than Joel Piniero.

**ShowMeDaMoney** · 04-17-07, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by AC1318

nice call on the over
I saw the last 3 games one of the two starters playing tonight that started before the total runs scored were something like 15, 22 and 29 runs in each game

Yeah, was going to take my profits\investment from the SD game today (6 units) and put it all on the Yanks over in addition to the 3 unit play I already had on the game from last night. However, since the SD Cubs game ended so late, my funds wern't avail until 20 mins prior to the game and by that point the total had gone up, and juiced also had a pretty significant increase so I was a bit gun shy. Have a three unit play the Twins right now, will be a great day if this one comes in.