Votto out for Reds today

[gummo]

The Reds also are using a first time starter.

[Keelo]

Not sure if it matters who is out there against the Brewers at this point.

[Big Bear]

Not sure if it matters who is out there against the Brewers at this point.

have they given up?

[sbfk]

They aren't hitting, but relatively unknown rookies tend to give up a few runs early so i would take the brew crew 1st 5 innings

[Keelo]

Seems that way to me. Need to fire sale everyone and rebuild at this point. After the epic collapse in September and a start like this. Change needs to happen.

[Big Bear]

Ryan Brauns batting average is terrible