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  • Ratzz
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-07-10
    • 8965

    #1
    the Training applied to 1st Five Innings...
    i am starting a thread with selections for mostly 1st Five Innings*picks.

    The reason why i favor the 1st Five Innings, is that i have on several occasions had a game winning until the 7th, 8th or 9th innings..
    in my experience this has happened more often than being behind, and then rescued by the late rally. (exhilarating, but rare)

    there are simply too many unknown variables that occur (for my taste) between the 5th and 9th innings..
    i have tried.. and either:

    1) i can't figure it out.. period.
    2) or.. i have not devoted enough time yet to do so (which i am unwilling to do)

    IF i feel very, very strongly about a game, i can go max 1st Five and then a smaller wager on the entire Game..

    but usually, a modest wager on 1st Five will suffice..
    i am not trying to break the bank, and i generally feel that is a bad practice anyways ,
    and should not be held in the mind as an actual objective (that is for the movies, really).

    Money: i tend to do best with the Run Line..
    i have found that many times the Favorites can afford the –0.5 Run..
    and the Underdogs can use the +0.5 Run

    i hope i do not lead anyone astray and I wish everybody good luck.. ®



  • baazigar
    SBR MVP
    • 05-09-08
    • 1589

    #2
    80% of my plays are 1st five innings (both RL and ML)

    reasons include having to deal with bullpens, a full 9 inning game, and extra innings

    i will be following
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    • Ratzz
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 07-07-10
      • 8965

      #3
      PS> and please disregard any extra 'asterisks' that show up..

      i am not trying to be cute or designate a play as having greater value

      it simply started some months ago after i thoroughly cleaned my key
      (around all the edges and sides of the individual keys). and the brand new
      Mac keyboards are incompatible with the operating system i am running..

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      • Ratzz
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 07-07-10
        • 8965

        #4
        Originally posted by baazigar
        80% of my plays are 1st five innings (both RL and ML)

        reasons include having to deal with bullpens, a full 9 inning game, and extra innings

        i will be following
        i agree. Bazz, i play pretty much the same way, GL

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        • mentorUS
          SBR High Roller
          • 05-08-13
          • 112

          #5
          Good luck Ratzz. I'll follow you.
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          • Ratzz
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 07-07-10
            • 8965

            #6
            Originally posted by mentorUS
            Good luck Ratzz. I'll follow you.
            thank you, Mentor.. hope all good.. i recommend to anyone, be wary of any capper until he has thoroughly proved himself. (66% min)

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            • Ratzz
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-07-10
              • 8965

              #7
              Monday, June 3rd, 2013

              Pittsburgh/Burnett +0.5 Runs (-135)
              1st Five Innings.

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              • Ratzz
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-07-10
                • 8965

                #8
                Wed, June 5th, 2013

                Tampa/Cobb +0.5 Runs (-125)
                1st Five Innings.

                Thread Record 0-1

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                • Ratzz
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 07-07-10
                  • 8965

                  #9
                  Thurs, June 6th, 2013

                  Texas/Holland (+100)
                  1st Five Innings.

                  Thread Record 1-1

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                  • Ratzz
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-07-10
                    • 8965

                    #10
                    Thurs, June 6th, 2013

                    NY Mets/Marcum +0.5 Run (+110)
                    1st Five Innings.

                    STL/Miller -0.5 Run (-140)
                    1st Five Innings.

                    Thread Record 1-1

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                    • Ratzz
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 07-07-10
                      • 8965

                      #11
                      Thurs, June 6th, 2013

                      MIN/Pelfrey +0.5 Runs (-115)
                      1st Five Innings.

                      Thread Record 1-1

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                      • Ratzz
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 07-07-10
                        • 8965

                        #12
                        Thurs, June 6th, 2013

                        SD/Cashner +0.5 Runs (-120)
                        1st Five Innings.

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                        • italianbandit
                          SBR MVP
                          • 05-17-11
                          • 2622

                          #13
                          Good luck Ratzz, I agree on some of your FF observations. Bullpens have become quite complex these days and one's model really needs a good daily grasp of them.
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                          • No coincidences
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 01-18-10
                            • 76300

                            #14
                            Originally posted by italianbandit
                            Good luck Ratzz, I agree on some of your FF observations. Bullpens have become quite complex these days and one's model really needs a good daily grasp of them.
                            It's not just that they're complex -- it's that managers baby their starters and overuse their relievers despite their ineffectiveness for the most part. I've never seen anything like it in sports, where teams take out the better players because of some arbitrary pitch count that has for some reason become the bible for most ballclubs. It's insanity and groupthink at its worst.

                            Can you imagine if Gibson or Koufax or Cy Young were limited to 100 pitches per start?
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                            • Ratzz
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 07-07-10
                              • 8965

                              #15
                              Originally posted by italianbandit
                              Good luck Ratzz, I agree on some of your FF observations. Bullpens have become quite complex these days and one's model really needs a good daily grasp of them.
                              Thank you, Bandit.
                              Amen to that. Bullpen management... to me, from manager to manager– it seems like i would need a chart of what any particular manager drank how many beers the previous evening.. lol.. real head-scratchers..*

                              Originally posted by No coincidences
                              It's not just that they're complex -- it's that managers baby their starters and overuse their relievers despite their ineffectiveness for the most part. I've never seen anything like it in sports, where teams take out the better players because of some arbitrary pitch count that has for some reason become the bible for most ballclubs. It's insanity and groupthink at its worst.

                              Can you imagine if Gibson or Koufax or Cy Young were limited to 100 pitches per start?
                              i agree it's insanity, Dr. No
                              i finally gave up.. to many variables.. managers put in their absolute worst guy in, when they need
                              just 6 outs to win..

                              i only go Game now, when my figures point to overall better record.. then maybe i'll indulge in a (-1.5 Runs)
                              or go large.. but i consider 1st Five to be amongst the safest wagers out there.

                              and *get lucky on them too sometimes.. the scores often change dramatically after the 6th innings. Weird.
                              sticking with them for now.

                              cheers guys, and GL*

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                              • Ratzz
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 07-07-10
                                • 8965

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Ratzz
                                Thurs, June 6th, 2013

                                Texas/Holland (+100)
                                1st Five Innings. (W)
                                *
                                NY Mets/Marcum +0.5 Run (+110)
                                1st Five Innings. (ppd.)

                                STL/Miller -0.5 Run (-140)
                                1st Five Innings.*(W)
                                *
                                MIN/Pelfrey +0.5 Runs (-115)
                                1st Five Innings.*(W)
                                *
                                SD/Cashner +0.5 Runs (-120)
                                1st Five Innings.*(W)
                                Update: Thursday, June 6th,

                                4-0 and a postponed game

                                Thread Record 5-1

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                                • mentorUS
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 05-08-13
                                  • 112

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Ratzz
                                  Update: Thursday, June 6th,

                                  4-0 and a postponed game

                                  Thread Record 5-1
                                  Good job Ratzz
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                                  • Ratzz
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 07-07-10
                                    • 8965

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by mentorUS
                                    Good job Ratzz
                                    Thank you, Mentor.. i hope all going well and you are killing the books.. cheers!

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                                    • Ratzz
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 07-07-10
                                      • 8965

                                      #19
                                      Fri, June 7th, 2013

                                      CLE/Jimenez +0.5 Runs (+125)
                                      1st Five Innings

                                      Thread Record 5-1

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                                      • Ratzz
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 07-07-10
                                        • 8965

                                        #20
                                        Fri, June 7th, 2013

                                        SAN DIEGO/Volquez +0.5 Runs (-110)
                                        1st Five Innings

                                        Thread Record 5-1

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                                        • Ratzz
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 07-07-10
                                          • 8965

                                          #21
                                          Sun, June 9th, 2013

                                          BALTIMORE/Tillman +0.5 Runs (-120)
                                          1st Five Innings

                                          hoping Moore makes like a girl
                                          (and puts out a bit more, now that he is no longer a virgin).

                                          We'll see



                                          Thread Record 5-3

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                                          • italianbandit
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 05-17-11
                                            • 2622

                                            #22
                                            Nice start Ratzz, GL.
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                                            • Ratzz
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 07-07-10
                                              • 8965

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by italianbandit
                                              Nice start Ratzz, GL.
                                              Thank you, Bandit..

                                              i had to retool my strat a little bit after the 2 Ls on Friday..
                                              if i have a winless day, i stop everytrhing and try to figure out what went wrong..

                                              hope it holds up, GL on your picks whatever you go with

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                                              • Ratzz
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 07-07-10
                                                • 8965

                                                #24
                                                Sun, June 9th, 2013

                                                Pittsburgh @ Chicago*UNDER 4.5 Runs (+100)
                                                1st Five Innings


                                                i think Locke and Jackson may keep it low, let's see

                                                Thread Record 5-3

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                                                • shift_knob
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 11-15-11
                                                  • 426

                                                  #25
                                                  Will be following
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                                                  • Ratzz
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 07-07-10
                                                    • 8965

                                                    #26
                                                    Sun, June 9th, 2013

                                                    CINCINNATI/Arroyo*+0.5 Runs (-140)
                                                    1st Five Innings

                                                    REDS might get going early on SNB..

                                                    Thread Record 7-3

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                                                    • Ratzz
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 07-07-10
                                                      • 8965

                                                      #27
                                                      okay, nice 5th inning,*onto tomorrow..


                                                      what a grind MLB is.. every day feels like a hundred games

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                                                      • Ratzz
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 07-07-10
                                                        • 8965

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Ratzz
                                                        Sun, June 9th, 2013

                                                        BALTIMORE/Tillman +0.5 Runs (-120) (W)
                                                        1st Five Innings

                                                        Pittsburgh @ Chicago*UNDER 4.5 Runs (+100)*(W)
                                                        1st Five Innings

                                                        CINCINNATI/Arroyo*+0.5 Runs (-140)*(W)
                                                        1st Five Innings
                                                        3-0 for Sunday 9th of June,
                                                        hope i stay good tomorrow*

                                                        Thread Record 8-3

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                                                        • shift_knob
                                                          SBR Sharp
                                                          • 11-15-11
                                                          • 426

                                                          #29
                                                          Good stuff! Didn't see your play for cincy or I would have jumped shipped
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                                                          • Avala7ch3
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 06-04-12
                                                            • 257

                                                            #30
                                                            seems interesting...I will keep an eye...

                                                            GL
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                                                            • Ratzz
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 07-07-10
                                                              • 8965

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by shift_knob
                                                              Good stuff! Didn't see your play for cincy or I would have jumped shipped
                                                              Originally posted by Avala7ch3
                                                              seems interesting...I will keep an eye...

                                                              GL
                                                              excellent, guys.. hope we keep it rolling..

                                                              <br>
                                                              <br>

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                                                              • Ratzz
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 07-07-10
                                                                • 8965

                                                                #32
                                                                Mon, June 10th, 2013

                                                                MIAMI/Nolasco*+0.5 Runs (-150)
                                                                1st Five Innings

                                                                TAMPA BAY/Cobb*(-150)
                                                                1st Five Innings

                                                                Thread Record 8-3

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                                                                • Ratzz
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 07-07-10
                                                                  • 8965

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Ratzz
                                                                  Mon, June 10th, 2013

                                                                  MIAMI/Nolasco*+0.5 Runs (-150) (L)
                                                                  1st Five Innings

                                                                  TAMPA BAY/Cobb*(-150) (L)
                                                                  1st Five Innings


                                                                  Thread Record 8-3
                                                                  MLB is wild.. the very same strat and moves one night yield the opposite result the next..
                                                                  this alternates every night it seems..*maybe that's the strat

                                                                  Thread Record 8-5

                                                                  (.615) is not worth the time.. let's see

                                                                  if i can't pick this up, i will put the time elsewhere. Life is very short

                                                                  *

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                                                                  • Ratzz
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 07-07-10
                                                                    • 8965

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Tues, June 11th, 2013

                                                                    LAA/Vargas*(+100)
                                                                    1st Five Innings

                                                                    Thread Record 8-5

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                                                                    • Ratzz
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 07-07-10
                                                                      • 8965

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Wed, June 12th, 2013

                                                                      SAN DIEGO/Volquez*(+110)
                                                                      1st Five Innings

                                                                      Thread Record 9-5

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