[sourtwist]

Lol, this thread is fukkin funny. It's only reason I've even checked in here lately.

Some of the miserable pricks like jayfly are going to feel stupid when the truth comes out, but I don't expect an apology because I have studied the extent of techniques used by the government agencies and how powerful of a product they present to the brainwashed masses like jayfly.

I suppose some of you still think Sandy hook was real? Citizens are being tested every day. They want to see how far they can go. This Virginia hoax will go down the same way as the Sandy hook hoax, and most of you still won't believe it.

Go give your government agencies a hug. Tell them that you love them... Lol. Some idiots like scumbag still think that he has a choice, and that being a Repub or dem actually makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. Keep fighting against those that favor the other party while they all laugh at you behind closed doors while breaking bread with each other.

[jayfly]

Lol, this thread is fukkin funny. It's only reason I've even checked in here lately.

Some of the miserable pricks like jayfly are going to feel stupid when the truth comes out, but I don't expect an apology because I have studied the extent of techniques used by the government agencies and how powerful of a product they present to the brainwashed masses like jayfly.

I suppose some of you still think Sandy hook was real? Citizens are being tested every day. They want to see how far they can go. This Virginia hoax will go down the same way as the Sandy hook hoax, and most of you still won't believe it.

Go give your government agencies a hug. Tell them that you love them... Lol. Some idiots like scumbag still think that he has a choice, and that being a Repub or dem actually makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. Keep fighting against those that favor the other party while they all laugh at you behind closed doors while breaking bread with each other.

LOL at your blind idiot ass calling someone else miserable, pot meet the penetrating kettle lmao,

Just because I do not agree with you does not mean I am brainwashed lol. You are right, dems or repubs or whatever it does not matter, at least to people like you and I. But to blame all the ****** up shit thats happening in this country on some bs govt agenda like you do is insane. You are the guy that lives his whole life waiting for the "truth" but can not understand why it never happens.

[Jayvegas420]

Alright, I'm drunk enough to post here now!
Say you're right Twister.
Say it is a real plot to take your guns.
So, they take all your guns.

Then what happens? What's wrong now?

[KVB]

Well JayVegas, if so, then now we can only revolt and defend ourselves with rocks. And big sticks.

Unless you were a criminal. Then you didn't obey the gun laws and probably have a gun.

[sourtwist]

LOL at your blind idiot ass calling someone else miserable, pot meet the penetrating kettle lmao,

Just because I do not agree with you does not mean I am brainwashed lol. You are right, dems or repubs or whatever it does not matter, at least to people like you and I. But to blame all the ****** up shit thats happening in this country on some bs govt agenda like you do is insane. You are the guy that lives his whole life waiting for the "truth" but can not understand why it never happens.

There's no government agenda? Wow, I didn't realize how far off you were. I miscalculated. I am not waiting for truth. I am separating truth from lies, analyzing, and trying to find out why these events take place. You are not brainwashed due to disagreeing with me, I never said that. You are brainwashed because you have been fooled by something you see but cannot believe to be true.

I'm only giving you my attention because maybe I can make you stop and think about what you're saying, and maybe I an help you, even if it takes a long time for you to realize. I didn't always think the way I do now. I have recently been looking at things in a different way, and have tried to understand the consequences of events like this, and who is involved, and what their motives may be. I do not want people to die, and I don't wish bad on people. But unfortunately, there are people in power who demand total control and will do whatever it takes to make its citizens weak. The agenda here is made clear by an actor, Andy Parker, on the same day his daughter died. This is not genuine, and this is not how people like you and I can act the day of a legitimate tragedy. You'll see. I don't care if I'm called crazy, I know what I am and it doesn't matter to me what human robots say because you're fine tuned to speak on behalf of those in control.

Have a nice day jayfly, I am going hiking again.

[Jayvegas420]

Well JayVegas, if so, then now we can only revolt and defend ourselves with rocks. And big sticks.

Unless you were a criminal. Then you didn't obey the gun laws and probably have a gun.

Alright, fair enough.
So, I have a second question....

Who are you revolting against?

[The Kraken]

Well JayVegas, if so, then now we can only revolt and defend ourselves with rocks. And big sticks.

Unless you were a criminal. Then you didn't obey the gun laws and probably have a gun.

So, if the gov't takes my guns, you believe criminals will be able to get their hands on guns and yet I'll be defenseless, except for rocks?

You don't think that I, the guy with 11 guns, would figure out a way also to procure a gun or two?

You're being short sighted. Prohibition never worked. If the government took guns away, which the won't nor have they have tried, the reality is that most Americans that currently own guns, would still find a way to own guns. Not only criminals would end up with guns.

Don't believe me? Ask Recon1 if he would find a way to own a gun. Ask Brooks, BigDay, Opie.... Every one of them would say yes, they would still own a gun.

So it's a moot point

[The Kraken]

Lol, this thread is fukkin funny. It's only reason I've even checked in here lately.

Some of the miserable pricks like jayfly are going to feel stupid when the truth comes out, but I don't expect an apology because I have studied the extent of techniques used by the government agencies and how powerful of a product they present to the brainwashed masses like jayfly.

I suppose some of you still think Sandy hook was real? Citizens are being tested every day. They want to see how far they can go. This Virginia hoax will go down the same way as the Sandy hook hoax, and most of you still won't believe it.

Go give your government agencies a hug. Tell them that you love them... Lol. Some idiots like scumbag still think that he has a choice, and that being a Repub or dem actually makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. Keep fighting against those that favor the other party while they all laugh at you behind closed doors while breaking bread with each other.

This is exactly why I made this thread.

Sour, you've already stated that you believe Sandy Hook and this latest Virginia shooting were conspiracies. I also think you've stated the gov't was involved in 9/11, is that correct?

Sandy Hook
Virginia reporter shooting
9/11

And these are just the ones I know of, I'm sure there are more. I don't know how you can justify your beliefs in this, from a common sense or logical perspective.

[Jayvegas420]

So, if the gov't takes my guns, you believe criminals will be able to get their hands on guns and yet I'll be defenseless, except for rocks?

You don't think that I, the guy with 11 guns, would figure out a way also to procure a gun or two?

You're being short sighted. Prohibition never worked. If the government took guns away, which the won't nor have they have tried, the reality is that most Americans that currently own guns, would still find a way to own guns. Not only criminals would end up with guns.

Don't believe me? Ask Recon1 if he would find a way to own a gun. Ask Brooks, BigDay, Opie.... Every one of them would say yes, they would still own a gun.

So it's a moot point

Thats an oxymoronic statement.

Yes they could still try to own guns but now they would be doing so at the risk of becoming incarcerated. So when you say not only will criminals have guns..... Well, yes only criminals will have guns because by possessing a gun illegally, you are now by definition "a criminal".

I'm pretty sure Opie already has a rap sheet but BIGDAY broomsy & recon1 would become criminals if guns were outlawed & they did, what you say you would do.
That would make you a criminal too.

You're not a criminal Kraker

[recon1]

odds are good that Jaypuke got his feelings hurt by any of the aforementioned posters.



C'mon sweet cheeks, i'm sorry for whatever i did to hurt your feelings. I'll bet your one of those kids who played in leagues where everybody got a trophy.

[jayfly]

odds are good that Jaypuke got his feelings hurt by any of the aforementioned posters.



C'mon sweet cheeks, i'm sorry for whatever i did to hurt your feelings. I'll bet your one of those kids who played in leagues where everybody got a trophy.

LOL your stupider then the other guy

[jayfly]

There's no government agenda? Wow, I didn't realize how far off you were. I miscalculated. I am not waiting for truth. I am separating truth from lies, analyzing, and trying to find out why these events take place. You are not brainwashed due to disagreeing with me, I never said that. You are brainwashed because you have been fooled by something you see but cannot believe to be true.

I'm only giving you my attention because maybe I can make you stop and think about what you're saying, and maybe I an help you, even if it takes a long time for you to realize. I didn't always think the way I do now. I have recently been looking at things in a different way, and have tried to understand the consequences of events like this, and who is involved, and what their motives may be. I do not want people to die, and I don't wish bad on people. But unfortunately, there are people in power who demand total control and will do whatever it takes to make its citizens weak. The agenda here is made clear by an actor, Andy Parker, on the same day his daughter died. This is not genuine, and this is not how people like you and I can act the day of a legitimate tragedy. You'll see. I don't care if I'm called crazy, I know what I am and it doesn't matter to me what human robots say because you're fine tuned to speak on behalf of those in control.

Have a nice day jayfly, I am going hiking again.

It is a nice day for a hike lol.

I never said there is not a govt agenda. And I do think its cool you want to try and help people. However, trying to incite fear with clueless misinformation is not the way to do it. Honestly you are prob just some phony who says silly shit like this to get attention so I will just step away. Good luck to you with.....whatever it is you are doing.

[raydog]

i beg to differ that this is much different than the god thread.. neither the conspiracy theorist or believers in god have a single shred of evidence to support anything they believe.. believing in the unproven is a mental disorder.. there are no 2 ways about it

[sourtwist]

LOL your stupider then the other guy

Than, stupider than.

Get it, stupid?

[brainfreeze]

i beg to differ that this is much different than the god thread.. neither the conspiracy theorist or believers in god have a single shred of evidence to support anything they believe.. believing in the unproven is a mental disorder.. there are no 2 ways about it

God shows himself all the time ... And conspiracy turn out to be true all the time even the big ones... How about this one " they are watching us " didn't it come out in the past few years they are doing just that and beyond ...targeting

[The Kraken]

Thats an oxymoronic statement.

Yes they could still try to own guns but now they would be doing so at the risk of becoming incarcerated. So when you say not only will criminals have guns..... Well, yes only criminals will have guns because by possessing a gun illegally, you are now by definition "a criminal".

I'm pretty sure Opie already has a rap sheet but BIGDAY broomsy & recon1 would become criminals if guns were outlawed & they did, what you say you would do.
That would make you a criminal too.

You're not a criminal Kraker

You make a good point, I stand corrected.

I had forgotten that bigday wasn't allowed within 500 feet of farm animals due to his incident last year.

[KVB]

So, if the gov't takes my guns, you believe criminals will be able to get their hands on guns and yet I'll be defenseless, except for rocks?

You don't think that I, the guy with 11 guns, would figure out a way also to procure a gun or two?

You're being short sighted. Prohibition never worked. If the government took guns away, which the won't nor have they have tried, the reality is that most Americans that currently own guns, would still find a way to own guns. Not only criminals would end up with guns.

Don't believe me? Ask Recon1 if he would find a way to own a gun. Ask Brooks, BigDay, Opie.... Every one of them would say yes, they would still own a gun.

So it's a moot point

Lol…I was half wittingly giving JayVegas the answer to his question. But if you want to read more into it then let me say you may have missed the larger point.

Kraken I’m not trying to be argumentative but you may be shortsighted here. This isn’t about whether the fool who breaks into your house has a gun and you may or may not. My comment reflected more on the fact that the United States was born out of a revolution. That revolution was in part born from the concept of taxation without representation.

I can assure you that many, many who are being taxed are not being represented. And that’s just a start.

You’re right, it’s a moot point…personal gun ownership will never be taken away. There are those, many well-armed, who will fight for their guns, using their guns.

But Kraken, if passing gun laws makes no difference, because people will find a way, then what about enforcement?

If guns you have are outlawed, but you have them cozy in your house. I suppose you would be ok with the government barging in one day and taking them, since it’s against the law and all. Oh, and since it’s in the name of public safety, they won’t need to worry about all that probable cause and warrant bullshit. Hell, in reality, they don’t even follow the Constitution anymore, and that’s the law of the land.

While I understand the need to adapt to change, I believe some of the Founding Fathers were visionaries. They felt a probably knew they were God inspired and understood the nature and principles of people, economies, and governments…none of which have changed.

There is and always has been tension between government powers and civil liberties. This isn’t just about guns; it’s about the methods to the madness of limiting personal liberties. This country was set up with certain ideals and liberties that, somewhat ironically, allow for subtle change that can undermine those very freedoms.

Many of these freedoms are at odds with the ideals of socialism, communism, and fascism. Traces of these ideologies are all over the world and within leadership. Those in big business, money, power and leadership tend to resort to those ideals as they help to keep the status quo…money flowing, power of policy, etc.

So while many of you talk at the water cooler about agendas, shootings, and guns, a much broader war is really being placed on the people. It’s not just financial, but because of our culture and the illusion of money, that’s what hurts people the most. That’s a related but separate topic altogether.

It’s all part of a broader picture and for more understanding and an answer to a question Kraken once asked…

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post24406387

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post24406461

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...g-rampant.html

[KVB]

Alright, fair enough.
So, I have a second question....

Who are you revolting against?

The age of revolutions is clearly not over Jay. They still happen around the world.

I suppose I could give you a who, but upon thinking about it, it seems that the “who” may not really be relevant. When, or even if, the time comes, the “who” will be clear. Until then, thanks to wonderfully informative threads like this one, the “who” will always be a mystery.

The question is…if the time comes, who will be armed? Or better yet, how big will their gun be?

[jayfly]

Than, stupider than.

Get it, stupid?

Wow that's all you got? You are a child lmao.

[sourtwist]

A child, lol. Yes, I am a child with better grammar than the adult you cannot seem to act like.

You were calling someone stupid while using incorrect grammar. Fukkin idiot.

[Jayvegas420]

The age of revolutions is clearly not over Jay. They still happen around the world.

I suppose I could give you a who, but upon thinking about it, it seems that the “who” may not really be relevant. When, or even if, the time comes, the “who” will be clear. Until then, thanks to wonderfully informative threads like this one, the “who” will always be a mystery.

The question is…if the time comes, who will be armed? Or better yet, how big will their gun be?

KVB, I love the CFL thread & in a non homo way I live you bit that philosophy is not only flawed, its terribly frightening.

[raydog]

God shows himself all the time ... And conspiracy turn out to be true all the time even the big ones... How about this one " they are watching us " didn't it come out in the past few years they are doing just that and beyond ...targeting

never said that conspiracies didnt occur... but people believing that absolutely every shitty thing that happens, is a govt. conspiracy, means those people are fukked in the head...

your god doesnt exist.. never has, never will.. without any evidence , at all, you think that your god controls everything (much like conspiracy theorist think the govt. controls things) this means you also have mental issues...faith doesnt prevail over anything, bf...im not sure why christians are in such ignorant denial of this very simple fact... but we can discuss in the other thread more , if you like.

[KVB]

KVB, I love the CFL thread & in a non homo way I live you bit that philosophy is not only flawed, its terribly frightening.

The CFL has been a fun one this year for sure. I'll probably hide some NFL analysis in that thread so keep in touch there.

Anyway, this is a flawed yet terribly frightening world we live in Jay. We live in a world where the “right” message is often buried beneath the biggest advertisers or the message that makes more profit. And the media outlets are no help. If one news source in New York runs a story that then gets picked up around the country, over and over in headlines and the internet, it becomes truth; regardless of fact.

It’s not just in the US, many other western countries fall victim, even Canada.

Believe it or not, there is an enemy of the people. Many of the most well-known presidential debates in US history have been between those who side with the public, and those who side with the cabal. Even today, the debate rages on.

I’m not saying own a gun just in case, there is a case. That's one reason why there is a right to own guns. I'm not sure guns have to be the answer, but the case is well documented through history and doomed to repeat itself; it’s a matter of economics, if not guns or anything else.

The “philosophy” may seem flawed, but it’s reality. It may seem frightening, but remember the US was born out of a revolution and much of the country has not forgotten that fact.

When it comes down to it, people will protect the rights that they feel their forefathers fought for and there are those in power, backed by powerful groups, that aim to take those rights away.

The uneducated masses (both in current events and history) and those with little critical thinking skills will gladly hand those rights over in exchange for a little security or even a little help in tragic time of need, regardless of who caused the threat or tragedy.

Don’t worry bro, I’m not stockpiling guns waiting for the day to tear the whole shithouse down, the shithouse is doing fine falling on its own.

The key is to understand the framework and then events and policy make more sense.

[Jayvegas420]

Holy fukk man, I can't sleep now.

[KVB]

[recon1]

i beg to differ that this is much different than the god thread.. neither the conspiracy theorist or believers in god have a single shred of evidence to support anything they believe.. believing in the unproven is a mental disorder.. there are no 2 ways about it

I believe in facts only, most (such as yourself) CHOOSE to believe what your told current events speaking.

So, have you proven God does not exist? point me to the evidence please.

I did read through the "God" thread and saw a lot of great information that should at the very least made you more skeptical thinking that something came from nothing, a big bang (HAHAHA) or wait for it…….you evolved from a monkey.
So, what is it for you? your a former monkey? Just askin'

[Jayvegas420]

I'm just askin' too recon1

Have you provided evidence otherwise?

Why is always the Christians who are right & require the evidence rather than proving to everyone that they are rught.?


Which always seems to be the case with Catholics?

[raydog]

if you think we evolved from monkeys, you dont have a clue about evolution...
can i prove there is no god? i know 100% that the god, as depicted in the infamous bible, is fictional... science proves the earths age, the age of its inhabitants, Long before the bible would lead you to believe that adam and eve were first... throw in the FACT that every single "miracle" has been scientifically explained or 100% completely debunked and you have a fictional book, much like all the others...sure there might be a few things sprinkled in, that occurred in those days, but what you have is a proven fictional book = fictional characters = no bible god ... set aside some incredibly illogical biblical threats for one instance and think like an adult...

big bang, who knows, but sure a shit makes more logical and scientific sense than a magic man creator...shit out there is who know how many billions of years old and endless... evolution makes sense, considering the time... evolution has fossils to back up the claims... god has an ancient book, written and rewritten over thousands of years, by tons of different authors, with tons of interpretations written to please certain people... its no more evidence of a magic man than a harry potter book... religion is embarrassing the world with idiocy...

[brainfreeze]

I'm just askin' too recon1

Have you provided evidence otherwise?

Why is always the Christians who are right & require the evidence rather than proving to everyone that they are rught.?


Which always seems to be the case with Catholics?

I think he covered enough there, if not as he said the whole thread is pretty informative, on down time check it out and research it yourself. History correlates with the bible, and that's something atheist can't deny. Some things in the bible are hard to understand and some things are spiritual so, it's easy to see why people just write it off as babble, but if we really wanted to know and really took the time to search our hearts and the Word of God, I'm sure we will find what we are looking for.

[Jayvegas420]

I think he covered enough there, if not as he said the whole thread is pretty informative, on down time check it out and research it yourself. History correlates with the bible, and that's something atheist can't deny. Some things in the bible are hard to understand and some things are spiritual so, it's easy to see why people just write it off as babble, but if we really wanted to know and really took the time to search our hearts and the Word of God, I'm sure we will find what we are looking for.

Atheists don't need to explain or understand anything.
Unlike you , we are from the school of "we don't know!"
And we don't pretend to know, like you.

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

[brainfreeze]

Atheists don't need to explain or understand anything.
Unlike you , we are from the school of "we don't know!"
And we don't pretend to know, like you.

So you claim I'm pretending ?

Well I've given my testimony and I've been up front with everything about me. If you want to believe that I'm lying or the Bible is lying, it's your choice. I have no reason to lie to any of you, if anything it's obviously put me and a few others in a minority here, but we go on anyways, it's a testament in itself. I'm just telling you the truth, but insult me and tell me how I " pretend " to know.

atheist will never understand moral law, or love in general,

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

[The Kraken]

Lol…I was half wittingly giving JayVegas the answer to his question. But if you want to read more into it then let me say you may have missed the larger point.

Kraken I’m not trying to be argumentative but you may be shortsighted here. This isn’t about whether the fool who breaks into your house has a gun and you may or may not. My comment reflected more on the fact that the United States was born out of a revolution. That revolution was in part born from the concept of taxation without representation.

I can assure you that many, many who are being taxed are not being represented. And that’s just a start.

You’re right, it’s a moot point…personal gun ownership will never be taken away. There are those, many well-armed, who will fight for their guns, using their guns.

But Kraken, if passing gun laws makes no difference, because people will find a way, then what about enforcement?

If guns you have are outlawed, but you have them cozy in your house. I suppose you would be ok with the government barging in one day and taking them, since it’s against the law and all. Oh, and since it’s in the name of public safety, they won’t need to worry about all that probable cause and warrant bullshit. Hell, in reality, they don’t even follow the Constitution anymore, and that’s the law of the land.

While I understand the need to adapt to change, I believe some of the Founding Fathers were visionaries. They felt a probably knew they were God inspired and understood the nature and principles of people, economies, and governments…none of which have changed.

There is and always has been tension between government powers and civil liberties. This isn’t just about guns; it’s about the methods to the madness of limiting personal liberties. This country was set up with certain ideals and liberties that, somewhat ironically, allow for subtle change that can undermine those very freedoms.

Many of these freedoms are at odds with the ideals of socialism, communism, and fascism. Traces of these ideologies are all over the world and within leadership. Those in big business, money, power and leadership tend to resort to those ideals as they help to keep the status quo…money flowing, power of policy, etc.

So while many of you talk at the water cooler about agendas, shootings, and guns, a much broader war is really being placed on the people. It’s not just financial, but because of our culture and the illusion of money, that’s what hurts people the most. That’s a related but separate topic altogether.

It’s all part of a broader picture and for more understanding and an answer to a question Kraken once asked…

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post24406387

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...l#post24406461

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...g-rampant.html

Good, informative post. I havent checked out the links yet but I will. I was being short-sighted, or more narrow sighted.

I was simply addressing the basic concept that if the government were to outlaw guns, it would only cause a lot of good otherwise law abiding citizens to become instant criminals because they're hiding guns they've safely owned for years. But you already understand this, as do most other people. Prohibition didn't work and created one hell of a black market. This would be no different.

i know these numbers are arbitrary number but I bet 90% of politicians own guns. And I bet at least 66% of Americans own a gun. The NRA is a huge, very powerful lobby. The short of it is, as you said, our guns are fine.

And if the gov't came for my guns, they could buy my AR-15's if they really wanted them. In reality, they could have them, I wouldn't risk my freedom for them. I would however keep my shotgun, a 9mm and my 40 and 45. The difference between those funs is that they serve a purpose, they are for my safety. The AR's aren't.

[jayfly]

A child, lol. Yes, I am a child with better grammar than the adult you cannot seem to act like.

You were calling someone stupid while using incorrect grammar. Fukkin idiot.

LOL right on bro, you are a penis of major proportions, losing an argument and being exposed for the wacko nut job you are so you have to resort to spell checks, nothing says loser douche bag penis more lololololololol peeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnniiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssss sss