[Greget]

Just what the poor needed after 4 years of Trump's nonstop assault on the working class. I feel bad for poor people like steve and his boyfriend slew.

Consumption taxes, such as the one proposed in the Fair Tax bill, are never a good idea. The bill, sponsored by a Republican representative, would impose a flat 30% national sales tax on all purchases. This type of consumption tax disproportionately harms the poor as it is regressive in nature.Broad-based consumption taxes, like the one proposed in the Fair Tax bill, are not only wildly unpopular but also ineffective in achieving the desired results. Instead, consumption taxes should be targeted narrowly towards specific items that society wants people to consume less of, such as the gasoline and cigarette taxes. These taxes are implemented to curb carbon emissions and discourage smoking respectively. In conclusion, a broad-based consumption tax like the Fair Tax bill should be avoided as it would hurt the economy and the poor.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1701...onal-sales-tax

[slewfan]

What, the poor need to pay 5 dollars for gas or 6 dollars for eggs.?. You are such a phony. Your worried about the poor but ok with letting millions of poor over the southern border. You're a phony and a liar.

New Republic.??. .. Nothing biased there.

[Greget]

What, the poor need to pay 5 dollars for gas or 6 dollars for eggs.?. You are such a phony. Your worried about the poor but ok with letting millions of poor over the southern border. You're a phony and a liar.

New Republic.??. .. Nothing biased there.

Is this even English..makes no sense??

[rkelly110]

Just what the poor needed after 4 years of Trump's nonstop assault on the working class. I feel bad for poor people like steve and his boyfriend slew.

Consumption taxes, such as the one proposed in the Fair Tax bill, are never a good idea. The bill, sponsored by a Republican representative, would impose a flat 30% national sales tax on all purchases. This type of consumption tax disproportionately harms the poor as it is regressive in nature.Broad-based consumption taxes, like the one proposed in the Fair Tax bill, are not only wildly unpopular but also ineffective in achieving the desired results. Instead, consumption taxes should be targeted narrowly towards specific items that society wants people to consume less of, such as the gasoline and cigarette taxes. These taxes are implemented to curb carbon emissions and discourage smoking respectively. In conclusion, a broad-based consumption tax like the Fair Tax bill should be avoided as it would hurt the economy and the poor.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1701...onal-sales-tax

There goes the party of limited govt and fiscal responsibility (when Dems are in power but do the opposite when they are in power).

[Slurry Pumper]

A flat 30% tax would cripple the economies in no time. If they got rid of all the other taxes for owning shit and just taxed the consumption maybe 30% would be in the right area even though it still sounds a little high to me. The concept however is equitable for both rich and poor alike to be taxed on what you consume. It doesn't hurt the poor any more, but it doesn't give the handouts to the poor so in a twisted sense, the poor would see less handouts and thus the perception would be that it is screwing the poor.

I'm against the national sales tax because they will just add this tax on top of the other taxes so I would get charged for stuff I already own, and stuff I am consuming.

[guitarjosh]

It would be a great idea if they eliminated all the other taxes.

BTW, I love how hypocritical the evil party is on this. They're always telling us that we need to be more like Denmark or Sweden, who have VAT taxes, which are very similar to a sales tax, and when the GOP takes them up on it, they're apoplectic.

[Greget]

It would be a great idea if they eliminated all the other taxes.

BTW, I love how hypocritical the evil party is on this. They're always telling us that we need to be more like Denmark or Sweden, who have VAT taxes, which are very similar to a sales tax, and when the GOP takes them up on it, they're apoplectic.

If the poor in America had the same social programs that they have in Denmark or Sweden, you might have a point, but this is disingenuous BS. A consumption tax is just the latest wealth transfer to the rich scheme, typical Republican playbook, tax cuts for billionaires, tax hikes for the rest of us.

[chico2663]

I wonder how that would work on the felt at Vegas.? Or the pull levers or push buttons? Does that 1 pull go to 1.35?

[Thor4140]

Just what the poor needed after 4 years of Trump's nonstop assault on the working class. I feel bad for poor people like steve and his boyfriend slew.

Consumption taxes, such as the one proposed in the Fair Tax bill, are never a good idea. The bill, sponsored by a Republican representative, would impose a flat 30% national sales tax on all purchases. This type of consumption tax disproportionately harms the poor as it is regressive in nature.Broad-based consumption taxes, like the one proposed in the Fair Tax bill, are not only wildly unpopular but also ineffective in achieving the desired results. Instead, consumption taxes should be targeted narrowly towards specific items that society wants people to consume less of, such as the gasoline and cigarette taxes. These taxes are implemented to curb carbon emissions and discourage smoking respectively. In conclusion, a broad-based consumption tax like the Fair Tax bill should be avoided as it would hurt the economy and the poor.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1701...onal-sales-tax

What was that republican douchebag name who was so against taxes he made these simpletons sign a pledge. Gordon something. I wonder what he thinks of this great idea. Oh wait you wont hear from that fuk speak up. he was another that had PPP loans forgiving i believe.

[guitarjosh]

If the poor in America had the same social programs that they have in Denmark or Sweden, you might have a point, but this is disingenuous BS. A consumption tax is just the latest wealth transfer to the rich scheme, typical Republican playbook, tax cuts for billionaires, tax hikes for the rest of us.

It's not disingenuous at all. What's disingenuous is claiming you want to be more like Sweden, Norway and Denmark but not telling the people that you only want to be more like them in the sense of social programs, but less like them in terms of tax collection and burdens, school choice, drilling for oil, etc.

What the left really wants to be like is India. They're democratic, socialist, multiethnic, multilingual, multi religious, multicultural, but also dirt poor. The average Indian lives off less than $7 dollars a day.

[jackpot269]

It's not disingenuous at all. What's disingenuous is claiming you want to be more like Sweden, Norway and Denmark but not telling the people that you only want to be more like them in the sense of social programs, but less like them in terms of tax collection and burdens, school choice, drilling for oil, etc.

What the left really wants to be like is India. They're democratic, socialist, multiethnic, multilingual, multi religious, multicultural, but also dirt poor. The average Indian lives off less than $7 dollars a day.

Half the ones I know, live in the USA and own a convenience store or hotel
The other half are MD's

[rkelly110]

Half the ones I know, live in the USA and own a convenience store or hotel
The other half are MD's

This. I just came back from a trip to and from FL and seen it 1st hand. I'd like to add, restaurants also.

[DwightShrute]

It would be a great idea if they eliminated all the other taxes.

BTW, I love how hypocritical the evil party is on this. They're always telling us that we need to be more like Denmark or Sweden, who have VAT taxes, which are very similar to a sales tax, and when the GOP takes them up on it, they're apoplectic.

that us exactly what is.

Greget Thunberg hasn't a clue.

He explains it here. FF to 41:48

taxing work vs taxing consumption.
abolish the IRS

[Greget]

It's not disingenuous at all. What's disingenuous is claiming you want to be more like Sweden, Norway and Denmark but not telling the people that you only want to be more like them in the sense of social programs, but less like them in terms of tax collection and burdens, school choice, drilling for oil, etc.

What the left really wants to be like is India. They're democratic, socialist, multiethnic, multilingual, multi religious, multicultural, but also dirt poor. The average Indian lives off less than $7 dollars a day.

I didn't claim I wanted to be more like Sweden, I just pointed out how clueless you were to suggest the Republican version of VAT comes with European benefits. Hint: it doesn't. It's all tax and no benefit, just shift the tax burden onto the poor even more.

[Greget]

that us exactly what is.

Greget Thunberg hasn't a clue.

He explains it here. FF to 41:48

taxing work vs taxing consumption.
abolish the IRS

LMFAO you listen to this clown for an hour? Wow no wonder you're a sheep and an easy mark.

[guitarjosh]

I didn't claim I wanted to be more like Sweden, I just pointed out how clueless you were to suggest the Republican version of VAT comes with European benefits. Hint: it doesn't. It's all tax and no benefit, just shift the tax burden onto the poor even more.

You did claim that they're doing better than we are

They socialized more industry than America, and are doing better.

I never suggested that what the GOP is proposing comes with more social program spending. I pointed out that it's very disingenuous to claim America should be more like those countries, but not go into detail about how they want to be more and less like those countries.

For example, if I tell people they can be like Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was winning Mr. Olympia by eating 5000-6000 calories a day, but not what foods those calories can come from, don't mention weight training and cardio, proper sleep, etc, then I'm committing fraud, like the regressives who claim we should be more like Nordic countries but not go into detail.

[slewfan]

GreggaThunberg waffling and wavering .. About ready to explode.. He spends his whole days off coming in here and trying to convince himself that he’s relevant.

Let me help you Ms. gregga Thunberg, you’re not relevant.!

[chico2663]

It would be a great idea if they eliminated all the other taxes.

BTW, I love how hypocritical the evil party is on this. They're always telling us that we need to be more like Denmark or Sweden, who have VAT taxes, which are very similar to a sales tax, and when the GOP takes them up on it, they're apoplectic.

Sometimes I had the belief that you are normal and then you post shit like this. I have a friend gratitude works in Denmark. They give people living wages. Their benefits are included for everyone.

[Greget]

You did claim that they're doing better than we are
I never suggested that what the GOP is proposing comes with more social program spending. I pointed out that it's very disingenuous to claim America should be more like those countries, but not go into detail about how they want to be more and less like those countries.

Never said this, but it's true for some metrics.

You can lie to everyone else here, but this was your quote,

BTW, I love how hypocritical the evil party is on this. They're always telling us that we need to be more like Denmark or Sweden, who have VAT taxes, which are very similar to a sales tax, and when the GOP takes them up on it, they're apoplectic.

You are implying that the reason Democrats are opposed to the Republican sales tax is just because it's proposed by Republicans, when in fact, it's because it's bad policy that wouldn't come with any of the associated Nordic benefits. I can't state this any more simply. I know you're only a financial advisor but try to keep up.

[guitarjosh]

Never said this, but it's true for some metrics.

You can lie to everyone else here, but this was your quote,



You are implying that the reason Democrats are opposed to the Republican sales tax is just because it's proposed by Republicans, when in fact, it's because it's bad policy that wouldn't come with any of the associated Nordic benefits. I can't state this any more simply. I know you're only a financial advisor but try to keep up.

LOL, I literally quoted the post you made. Click the arrow next to your name in the quote.

No, I'm flat out saying that they don't really want to be like Nordic countries, they're using them as a pretext to justify more social program spending.

[Greget]

LOL, I literally quoted the post you made. Click the arrow next to your name in the quote.

No, I'm flat out saying that they don't really want to be like Nordic countries, they're using them as a pretext to justify more social program spending.

That the Nordic countries are doing better, and that I want to be like them mean two different things. no?

Democrats don't need a pretext, which means basically the same things as justification so was used incorrectly in your sentence, for more social program spending. We already collect enough revenue for many of those programs. Half of the discretionary budget is military spending. I complete waste.

[rkelly110]

Here's some Viking for ya! Enjoy!

[guitarjosh]

That the Nordic countries are doing better, and that I want to be like them mean two different things. no?

Democrats don't need a pretext, which means basically the same things as justification so was used incorrectly in your sentence, for more social program spending. We already collect enough revenue for many of those programs. Half of the discretionary budget is military spending. I complete waste.

My point is you don't really want to be like them. The Nordic model is to basically make everyone pay for themselves, the left wing American model is to make 5% of the population provide materially for the other 95%.

Pretext means false justification, which is what they're doing, telling us how great they're doing while fighting tooth and nail to prevent some of their policies from being implemented here.

[khicks26]

My point is you don't really want to be like them. The Nordic model is to basically make everyone pay for themselves, the left wing American model is to make 5% of the population provide materially for the other 95%.

Pretext means false justification, which is what they're doing, telling us how great they're doing while fighting tooth and nail to prevent some of their policies from being implemented here.

Statements like this is why everyone thinks your a fuking fence post.

Like I told you before, you could not survive if the 99% of the population didn't do the work for you. Hell we know you can't pump your own gas, let alone start a fire.

When the shit hits the fan people like you jump off buildings.

[khicks26]

Josh thinks his money will save him. The first thing the people he hirers to protect his silly ass do?

Put a bullet in his worthless head. LOL

[Greget]

My point is you don't really want to be like them. The Nordic model is to basically make everyone pay for themselves, the left wing American model is to make 5% of the population provide materially for the other 95%.

Pretext means false justification, which is what they're doing, telling us how great they're doing while fighting tooth and nail to prevent some of their policies from being implemented here.

For the third time, I never said I wanted to be like them, but it's completely verifiable that by many quality of life metrics, they are doing better. The nordic model is to make everyone pay into a system that largely takes care of basic necessities. That takes $$ and that $$ comes from the people. The "left wing" model is the nordic model, despite your misunderstanding of basic political discourse.

You are implying the nordic model is to make everyone pay high taxes and then the money gets funneled to the top 1% (the Republican model), which is false. That's the Republicans model - YOUR model. The cuck model. You're not even rich, it's embarrassing. LOL

[Greget]

Josh thinks his money will save him. The first thing the people he hirers to protect his silly ass do?

Put a bullet in his worthless head. LOL

A good ending for a cuck like Josh

[khicks26]

For the third time, I never said I wanted to be like them, but it's completely verifiable that by many quality of life metrics, they are doing better. The nordic model is to make everyone pay into a system that largely takes care of basic necessities. That takes $$ and that $$ comes from the people. The "left wing" model is the nordic model, despite your misunderstanding of basic political discourse.

You are implying the nordic model is to make everyone pay high taxes and then the money gets funneled to the top 1% (the Republican model), which is false. That's the Republicans model - YOUR model. The cuck model. You're not even rich, it's embarrassing. LOL

A good ending for a cuck like Josh

Josh is an anarcho capitalist. Wants to pay no taxs, the thing that gives his money worth. Wants to do away with the government, the thing that protects his wealth.

A cuck for sure.

[guitarjosh]

Statements like this is why everyone thinks your a fuking fence post.

Like I told you before, you could not survive if the 99% of the population didn't do the work for you. Hell we know you can't pump your own gas, let alone start a fire.

When the shit hits the fan people like you jump off buildings.

Few could survive if 99% of the population didn't work. I don't know what you think you would eat since you don't have a gun.

I wouldn't jump off a building, I'd be fine.

Josh thinks his money will save him. The first thing the people he hirers to protect his silly ass do?

Put a bullet in his worthless head. LOL

No Hicks, I think my bullets and guns will do that. I don't need to hire people to protect me, I do that myself.

I'd shoot them before they knew what hit them.

For the third time, I never said I wanted to be like them, but it's completely verifiable that by many quality of life metrics, they are doing better. The nordic model is to make everyone pay into a system that largely takes care of basic necessities. That takes $$ and that $$ comes from the people. The "left wing" model is the nordic model, despite your misunderstanding of basic political discourse.

You are implying the nordic model is to make everyone pay high taxes and then the money gets funneled to the top 1% (the Republican model), which is false. That's the Republicans model - YOUR model. The cuck model. You're not even rich, it's embarrassing. LOL

The Nordic model is to make everyone pay taxes to take care of their material needs. The problem with it is that it makes things so expensive they can't afford to have enough children to keep the scheme going, and society will eventually collapse.

I never implied the tax dollars collected in the Nordic countries is funneled to the top 1%, you're lying again.

A good ending for a cuck like Josh

Do you see why we shouldn't have the government run our healthcare or other needs? Evil monsters like Greg and other regressives would be doing everything they could to ensure that the people they hate, and there are over 100,000,000 million Americans they hate and want dead, couldn't get the healthcare and medicine they need.

Josh is an anarcho capitalist. Wants to pay no taxs, the thing that gives his money worth. Wants to do away with the government, the thing that protects his wealth.

A cuck for sure.

I just believe in freedom unlike you. Well, you believe in freedom for the groups you love and oppression for the groups you hate. I don't mind paying for a government if the government failure is less than the market failure.

I didn't listen to the propaganda video, but the total government spending at all levels of government is over $30,000 a year per capita and they still isn't enough. That's all the proof you need that their policies don't work.

[dante1]

even most R know and verbalize this is a bad idea.

actually, I like when the crazies instead of moderating become even crazier. the fake R party has been nothing but a disaster for the past 5 years or so.

[Greget]

The Nordic model is to make everyone pay taxes to take care of their material needs. The problem with it is that it makes things so expensive they can't afford to have enough children to keep the scheme going, and society will eventually collapse.

You stayed up until 3am and this is all you could squeeze out of your last two braincells.

The only thing collapsing is your brain under the weight of it's own stupidity.

[Greget]

even most R know and verbalize this is a bad idea.

actually, I like when the crazies instead of moderating become even crazier. the fake R party has been nothing but a disaster for the past 5 years or so.

It's actually a tacit admission that taxes are far too low and need to be raised, which gives the American people two options 1. Vote for Democrats to raise taxes on the rich 2. Vote for Republicans to raise taxes on everyone else.

[slewfan]

When was the last time demoRats raised taxes on the rich.?. LOL. They are having a meeting right now planning to ''tax the rich''. That's exactly why Joe hired 87 thousand new IRS agents. So they can tax Joe, Pelosi, Newsome and all the rich people...

You guys are blinded by your own stupidity. Gregga Thunberg

[jackpot269]

Josh said

I'd shoot them before they knew what hit them.

Well I would hope I could, but even the best trained Navy Seal don't always achive this, so what makes you think you could?
It's definitely not that your humble

[Thor4140]

This is the best breakdown of the new 30% tax Republicans are trying to add to every single thing you purchase pic.twitter.com/VM3XeRdcCF

— MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) January 26, 2023