[shari91]

Yes. I'm well aware that minors do not get paid winnings if they are caught gambling. However, they are also refunded losses. That is what I was asking about.

Why can nobody look past the face value of this case? There is quite a bit more here than one side of the coin.

Ok then if you're well aware of that, do you see that's where we're stumbling on? Those on one side can basically equate minors to banned = you are not allowed there, your business isn't wanted, go elsewhere.

Those kids weren't refunded their losses. In the cases where the AC casinos were fined, some of those kids were nailed after 2 bets. No money back.

And what else do you want us to look at besides the face value of this case? People are supposed to be worried if you're banned from a book, sneak back in and then they tell you they'll give you back your deposits + that one withdrawal you already had and we're supposed to be upset? I'd consider all of that a bonus. You (and I) would/should know the risks we're taking by trying to get back into a book where they've booted us. Everything should fall on our side even though we're the ones who made our way back in? In what world does that work in or should it? If it was Cory's mum playing, she provides all the evidence, etc... she should get paid 100%. If she refuses to provide what's asked of her - and I don't care what Cory says, I've had to provide more than she was asked for to Moneybookers with almost no cash in there - then she can't realistically expect much. But if it's determined that Cory did indeed control that account, why the hell should he profit from it? Solely - and this is 100% the truth - because it's you I keep trying to see where you're coming from but I truly don't get how you back this as it stands right now.

[shari91]

Shari,
I dont know how hard it is to comprehend this, but there was NO PAYOUT before any RF. All 53 deposits were sent before any RF was hit. Just because my mother requested that 3k 2 days before she hit the 2nd RF, doesnt mean it was sent out. Heritage probably didnt think my mother was going to hit the 2nd RF(thinking she would keep losing) so they probably had no problem taking the request of the 3k payout.

Cory you don't have to be rude. So I was correct in that the deposits were all made before the royals were hit. And she requested the withdrawal in between the 1st and 2nd royal.

So if you don't think Heritage anticipated your mother hitting the 2nd royal in such a short period of time (or at all as you've said) then you're conceding that at that point they didn't suspect it was you since your pattern of play has been 2 royals bang bang, no? That's the Cory trademark with JOB. And if we go along with your train of thought = they didn't know it was your mother/you = no freeroll.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Ok then if you're well aware of that, do you see that's where we're stumbling on? Those on one side can basically equate minors to banned = you are not allowed there, your business isn't wanted, go elsewhere.

Those kids weren't refunded their losses. In the cases where the AC casinos were fined, some of those kids were nailed after 2 bets. No money back.

And what else do you want us to look at besides the face value of this case? People are supposed to be worried if you're banned from a book, sneak back in and then they tell you they'll give you back your deposits + that one withdrawal you already had and we're supposed to be upset? I'd consider all of that a bonus. You (and I) would/should know the risks we're taking by trying to get back into a book where they've booted us. Everything should fall on our side even though we're the ones who made our way back in? In what world does that work in or should it? If it was Cory's mum playing, she provides all the evidence, etc... she should get paid 100%. If she refuses to provide what's asked of her - and I don't care what Cory says, I've had to provide more than she was asked for to Moneybookers with almost no cash in there - then she can't realistically expect much. But if it's determined that Cory did indeed control that account, why the hell should he profit from it? Solely - and this is 100% the truth - because it's you I keep trying to see where you're coming from but I truly don't get how you back this as it stands right now.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/8526002.html

[cory1111]

Shari,
It would of been impossible for my mother to hit 2 royals bang bang, because they shut the casino down for 4 or 5 days after 1st RF and reopened it without her requesting it. Between the emails I have shown, also my mother using the same last name on her CC as myself, they still didnt stop the play after 53 deposits. My mother sent in everything she had, and shouldnt have to give out private passwords to accounts. Is my(Cory) trademark also to lose 20k(30k in casino),before winning? How come you dont bring up that your co-worker Justin7 has not shown any evidence that it was me playing?

[Kaabee]

yes it is impossible to hit two royals bang bang. i lost my casino for the rest of the day when i won 5K. i lost my casino for the rest of the week when i was up 10K for the week.

[shari91]

Not sure if this is happening for anyone else but I can barely reply here cause of the lag. Will try in a bit Cory .

[cory1111]

Shari,
Do me a favor, instead of dwelling on whether Heritage was freerolling my mother(which everyone,but Heritage,SBR, and a couple of shills think otherwise) please answer these questions. If Heritage thought they were so innocent in this whole ordeal, why didnt they want me to post to begin with on the forums? Where did Justin7 disappear too? We know he didnt go on a vacation because he still is posting and given out infractions to posters. He was posting everyday before,during and after EZstreet case, when everyone thought he was a hero. Could it be he knows he did a Wilheim repeat and doesnt want to answer questions from the other posters? Also, why do keep bring up UK as a location for arbitration? And did Heritage ban Zenyatta 19-1 for posting that thread regarding Heritage's casino on the public forums? After all, he didnt show good faith to Heritage. Oh wait, nevermind he is losing at Heritage, so its ok.

[shari91]

Shari,
Do me a favor, instead of dwelling on whether Heritage was freerolling my mother(which everyone,but Heritage,SBR, and a couple of shills think otherwise) please answer these questions. If Heritage thought they were so innocent in this whole ordeal, why didnt they want me to post to begin with on the forums? Where did Justin7 disappear too? We know he didnt go on a vacation because he still is posting and given out infractions to posters. He was posting everyday before,during and after EZstreet case, when everyone thought he was a hero. Could it be he knows he did a Wilheim repeat and doesnt want to answer questions from the other posters? Also, why do keep bring up UK as a location for arbitration? And did Heritage ban Zenyatta 19-1 for posting that thread regarding Heritage's casino on the public forums? After all, he didnt show good faith to Heritage. Oh wait, nevermind he is losing at Heritage, so its ok.

Ok I'll try. But keep in mind I'm just a peon mod so don't put too much stock into what I say. And if there are any Heritage shills in this thread I'd love if they could get me an account there ffs

1. I'd assume that Heritage wouldn't want you to post on the forums for the same reason posters who have been here for several years ask us to make a ghost account for their disputes. None of this helps. You and your mother waste your time replying to threads, Heritage does the same...will the end result be any different? No.

2. Justin7 disappeared to exactly where I should've disappeared to. But because it's MF and you I feel compelled to comment once a week or so. He's reviewed everything at your request. He gave his findings at your request. You then accused him of being paid off by Heritage and you're even slamming me when I'm known as the resident Corylover. So there is no purpose for him to be in here now. The case is out of his hands and is heading elsewhere. What else is there for him to talk about? To debate facts etc that he can't even decide on now? He's a much smarter man than the rest of us stupidly discussing things we have no control over. Look at the crap that you and the rest of us keep flipping back and forth too! He's been excused - I think that's the ok legal term - so what's the point of saying anything else?

3. No clue if Heritage banned Zenyatta. That's something that Zenyatta would have to take up with Heritage I suppose. But he/she isn't banned from here and truthfully I have no clue what thread you're even talking about as sadly the only one I've been keeping up with in S&I is this one. (Which I'm going to change as of now!)

[cory1111]

Shari,
I only post when I see facts about this case, either get misconstrued or lied about. Are you kidding me with Justin being excused? The EZ thread was more useless than this one, yet Justin felt compelled to post most days, I wonder why? Its ok if doesnt want to talk now, but if this case ends up the way I think it will, Justin will have no choice but to speak. This is not a threat, but I do hold Justin as accountable for this charade as much as Heritage and any steps that are taken to correct this matter will include Justin and SBR.

[HedgeHog]

Shari,
I only post when I see facts about this case, either get misconstrued or lied about. Are you kidding me with Justin being excused? The EZ thread was more useless than this one, yet Justin felt compelled to post most days, I wonder why? Its ok if doesnt want to talk now, but if this case ends up the way I think it will, Justin will have no choice but to speak. This is not a threat, but I do hold Justin as accountable for this charade as much as Heritage and any steps that are taken to correct this matter will include Justin and SBR.

I doubt John will front you 3k for this lawsuit.

[shari91]

Shari,
I only post when I see facts about this case, either get misconstrued or lied about. Are you kidding me with Justin being excused? The EZ thread was more useless than this one, yet Justin felt compelled to post most days, I wonder why? Its ok if doesnt want to talk now, but if this case ends up the way I think it will, Justin will have no choice but to speak. This is not a threat, but I do hold Justin as accountable for this charade as much as Heritage and any steps that are taken to correct this matter will include Justin and SBR.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, Justin isn't a pussy. In fact I was a bit taken by surprise when I saw his responses in the WagerWeb thread ie where he flat out called WW liars for implying him and trixtrix were roomies (about as much of a chance as you and I living together) and him saying he disagreed with the upgrade. I wasn't so much taken aback by his opinions but how he conveyed them... he was obviously pissed as he should be. I'd just never heard him be this angry towards anyone publicly before. It sucks when people lie about you regardless what it's about and how mature we should all be (and I know you understand that as well).

Either way though Justin7 isn't scared to speak... but what is there to say? No matter what he says now it's all going elsewhere. This isn't something SBR is dealing with any longer and stopped being one awhile ago... I'm the only turkey still in here. Don't hold his not commenting in here as a sign of whatever... he's being smart - this now has zero to do with SBR. You're more than welcome to discuss it here obviously but SBR has been out of it for awhile now.

[cory1111]

HH,
Shouldnt you be scamming for more bonuses from sportsbooks? And I never asked SBRJohn for the 3k in the first place in the EZ lawsuit.. Who said I was suing?

[uncynd]

Shari, I do understand your position, as long as you understand how it looks to some of us

[shari91]

Shari, I do understand your position, as long as you understand how it looks to some of us

Of course! And I'll never try to convince anyone otherwise. But those who have known me for any length of time wouldn't be surprised by my yapping. I don't see a winner or loser here... just a resolution either way. But it's not going to set a precedent for the industry as some hope/fear It realistically can't with Cory's name attached.

[cory1111]

LOL. It's that time. I do have to go back to work. However it is not in our interest to release the tapes or logs to anyone but an accepted mediator/arbitrator until this case is settled.

Just like it's not fair for us to enter another arbitration unless Cory posts the deposits we returned from the last arbitration. The arbitrator could rule that Cory must forfeit all the money. If we let him keep the deposits he would be getting a free roll on us. :-)

If any of you have any questions you feel we didn't address you can PM me anytime.

Shari or any mod at SBR,
Last question for the night. How come it was in Heritage's best interest to show the public the one conversation my mother had when she was questioned her whereabouts for the last 5 months with Mike(GM) at Heritage, but when asked by the public for the casino logs and the other taped phone calls, they were all declined by Heritage?

[shari91]

Shari or any mod at SBR,
Last question for the night. How come it was in Heritage's best interest to show the public the one conversation my mother had when she was questioned her whereabouts for the last 5 months with Mike(GM) at Heritage, but when asked by the public for the casino logs and the other taped phone calls, they were all declined by Heritage?

This is not EZStreet Cory. You somehow think you should represent your mother now in a serious situation. And you somehow think that people will give up all the evidence they have? Yeah they do if: 1. They have no intention of paying or 2. They have no intention of paying.

If I had anything to do with this case the first thing I'd do is chuck you so far from it your head would spin. You didn't play those hands right? And it wasn't your account? Then GTFO because you're only making it worse. Just on this page alone you've fried yourself - sorry, your mother - more than you obviously realise. Start acting like a big boy now and let your mother do her thing. You're not helping her at all.

[cory1111]

[QUOTE=shari91;16294448]Ok I'll try. But keep in mind I'm just a peon mod so don't put too much stock into what I say.

Wow Shari,
For someone not taking the sponsor's side you sound very angry. You somehow think I am treating this like EZstreet, not happening. My mother and I wanted to end this a long time ago. If you mean by letting my mother do her thing and wait and let Heritage play her like a fool, again not happening.

[shari91]

Nah, I've got a son. And if he were screwing me over as badly as you are your mother I'd not only be pissed off but I'd be insulted. So either your mother is a real softie or has no clue wtf is going on. I don't doubt that she can play JOB... my dead grandmother can and could probably school most ppl not named Cory in it. But whether your mother played any/all of these times or not, even after lying about knowing you let alone giving birth to you, I don't care. I can't even think of a reason I'd deny knowing my own child. But you are absolutely not helping her with some of your posts in here. Seriously zero percent. Look at the last page. Your shit got blown out of the water.

And that's why if anyone gives a shit about you they'll tell you to stfu. Because it's not even your account, right? Regardless it's nothing to do with SBR any more. GL with it all.

[cory1111]

Shari,
I am looking at the last page. Enlighten me, what s.. got blown out of the water? Your right SBR did the dirty work, how convenient of them that they want nothing to do with it anymore. You sound like a real classy woman Shari.

[shari91]

Shari,
I am looking at the last page. Enlighten me, what s.. got blown out of the water? Your right SBR did the dirty work, how convenient of them that they want nothing to do with it anymore. You sound like a real classy woman Shari.

Oh I'm lovely Cory. Remember - I was your biggest fan here so take that for what it's worth.

It's not my job to let you know where you screwed up. SBR did what you asked of them - you asked for Justin7 to handle the dispute. He did. You then released partial docs ie not his findings to other forums and they made their way here. Justin then said he wouldn't post anything until he got permission from your mother - or apparently you who is now acting on her behalf - and then his decision was released in full.

I laughed when chunks were released... I'd already seen the full decision and I had to sit back and watch this crap courtesy of tuckman and whomever else float around forums. No biggie because there was nothing for Justin7 to be ashamed of and I knew it'd eventually come out. Made for a great start to an SBR thread though haha

But I'm telling you straight up: Either let your mother speak and prove her stuff (not publicly, to Heritage, etc) or drop it now. This is not your case, right? She's a great JOB player, yeah? I almost feel like you're my kid brother and I'm watching you shoot yourself in the foot. Seriously... step away. Either let her talk or if she can't, just quietly concede what happened. This is your mother, man. Jesus...start PM'ing ppl and hit UK books ffs. Leave your mum out of it. I just want to kick you in the shin!

[HedgeHog]

Shari,
I am looking at the last page. Enlighten me, what s.. got blown out of the water? Your right SBR did the dirty work, how convenient of them that they want nothing to do with it anymore. You sound like a real classy woman Shari.

I don't think you should be making statements about anyone's class. Dragging your own mother into this shit shows what a lowlife you are. She must be real proud.

[Dark Horse]

Heritage insider, do you intend to respond to any of the serious questions that have been asked here?

Of course not. This whole thread is regulated. Haven't seen raiders here for a long time, but there he is, all over this thread, coming in at a time that the tide was turning in favor of the player. Turns out raiders used to receive money from books just as sbr. And he didn't come alone either. Another guy briefly showed up around that same time, taking the same pro book position, and admitting he used to get money the same way. All I can say is: what a coincidence! Justin bowed out when things got too personal and immediately Shari jumped in on some weird attack mission, most likely because she was told to. She got me a -misplaced- first infraction for language in seven years here, and then I was put on the slow connection. Bottom line. This thread will not be allowed to go against sbr's business interest. Heritage is too important. Period.

The way of the world. No big deal really. All the talk comes down to:

[cory1111]

Shari,
Quietly concede what happened ,now thats funny. My mother proved what she had to. If thats not good enough for her to get paid her winnings then Heritage and SBR are guilty of stealing. My name is being thrown around this thread and you say I have nothing to do with this case? Its not your job to tell me where I screwed up(because I havent), but it is your job to protect a sponsor of SBR's and your co-worker Justin for screwing up.

[prop]

even after lying about knowing you let alone giving birth to you, I don't care. I can't even think of a reason I'd deny knowing my own child.

Her proper response when asked should of been go %&$* yourself. That is what she should of said when asked. This was asked after multiple previous interrogation phone calls, which at least two happened the day earlier, and was practically settled on a single phone call.

I laughed when chunks were released...

Well at least someone finds it funny. I'm not even involved and can't barely sleep over how sick this thread was.

Made for a great start to an SBR thread though haha

At least you're still finding humor too

But I'm telling you straight up: Either let your mother speak and prove her stuff (not publicly, to Heritage, etc) or drop it now. This is not your case, right? She's a great JOB player, yeah? I almost feel like you're my kid brother and I'm watching you shoot yourself in the foot. Seriously... step away. Either let her talk or if she can't, just quietly concede what happened. This is your mother, man. Jesus...start PM'ing ppl and hit UK books ffs. Leave your mum out of it. I just want to kick you in the shin!

What possible incentive would his mother have to try to prove her innocence to Heritage. They've been looking to scam her since the time she went well into the plus, have used all sorts of dishonest tactics and spin since, there has never been an incentive for her to prove her innocence, never. So why start now? The best move is for Cory's side to post here and keep posting here for however long allowed. There is no incentive at all to provide anything.

[cory1111]

This is not EZStreet Cory. You somehow think you should represent your mother now in a serious situation. And you somehow think that people will give up all the evidence they have? Yeah they do if: 1. They have no intention of paying or 2. They have no intention of paying.

If I had anything to do with this case the first thing I'd do is chuck you so far from it your head would spin. You didn't play those hands right? And it wasn't your account? Then GTFO because you're only making it worse. Just on this page alone you've fried yourself - sorry, your mother - more than you obviously realise. Start acting like a big boy now and let your mother do her thing. You're not helping her at all.

Shari,
Your right, this isnt Ezstreet, SBR had no chance of making any money(not yet at least),in that case. I fried myself when I told my mother to go to SBR for help thinking they would.

[richsox24]

What ever happened to this mysterious industry expert? Is it the same figment of our imagination that Wilheim used in the EZstreet case?

[cloverfield]

I love now that most people have abandoned this thread, it's only basically the scammer and his low post count buddies chiming in..

Clyde must feel he's truly on a sinking ship now and won't get any additional money from his charades so he is in post overload...Even Bonnie left him long ago and the person most affected by this never even posted in here...but she went on live chat, sent PM's, sent emails....but coincidentally she never showed up in this thread even after 2091 posts...

[prop]

I love now that most people have abandoned this thread, it's only basically the scammer and his low post count buddies chiming in..

Interesting observation, too bad it's likely made up out of thin air. Just on the last two pages:

Dark Horse
Join Date: 12-14-05
Posts: 13,392

MonkeyF0cker
Join Date: 06-12-07
Posts: 11,730

skrtelfan
Join Date: 10-09-08
Posts: 1,816

Winner_13
Join Date: 01-04-10
Posts: 1,164

prop
Join Date: 09-04-07
Posts: 1,009

Scooter
Join Date: 01-15-07
Posts: 868

Which of us do you suspect are his buddies? And what exactly is a low post count?

[cory1111]

Its seems more like that Heritage is bothered that this thread is even getting more attention. Cloverfield obviously works for Heritage since he or she knows so much about my mother's emailing and live chat. Too bad this thread isnt going anywhere. Once again Heritage shows that they think people will forget about this and pocket my mother's money. If all your doing is behind your sponsor SBR, posters obviously know it and are aware of that. Its obvious that this is hurting your business, or you wouldnt be replying like this. Why doesnt Mike(GM) just come out and say Heritage is not paying my mother and then Heritage will get the publicity they so crave(and I dont mean the forums). Does Heritage have a long history of doing things like this? 90% of Cloverfield's posts are related to Heritage.








From: mike@heritagesports.com
To: cory26@msn.com
Subject: Our Position and Stand
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:30:27 +0000


It has always been important to us that we treat all our customers fairly, giving them the benefit of the doubt whenever a dispute comes up. We have a long history of doing this and we did this with you. We agreed to arbitration and we let you pick the arbitrator. We showed the good faith that has earned us our stellar reputation. Before we even saw Justin’s findings you were bad-mouthing us on the forums. It seems that your strategy is to threaten our good name in hopes we would settle with you. That’s not going to work Cory. We aren’t a first year company like Easy Street was. We have a long history of doing the right thing and not because we were threatened but because it was the right thing to do.

[Scooter]

Interesting observation, too bad it's likely made up out of thin air. Just on the last two pages:

Dark Horse
Join Date: 12-14-05
Posts: 13,392

MonkeyF0cker
Join Date: 06-12-07
Posts: 11,730

skrtelfan
Join Date: 10-09-08
Posts: 1,816

Winner_13
Join Date: 01-04-10
Posts: 1,164

prop
Join Date: 09-04-07
Posts: 1,009

Scooter
Join Date: 01-15-07
Posts: 868

Which of us do you suspect are his buddies? And what exactly is a low post count?

When cloverfield spoke about people with low post counts entering the thread, he was obviously speaking about himself: 256. Compare that to the ones above.

prop - "And what exactly is a low post count?"

A low post count is what someone brings up when they have no worthwhile statement and no intelligent argument to bring to a thread.

[Dark Horse]

Its seems more like the Heritage is bothered that this thread is even getting more attention.

Heritage is very sensitive to negative publicity, so they would have informed sbr that they didn't agree to arbitration by Justin just to get their reputation attacked on this forum. They would obviously have preferred to resolve this behind the scenes. For the record, when I played there Heritage always treated me right, and for the most part I enjoyed the relationship with this book. Things changed with the Greek invasion, as they had to, and I was contacted by Heritage when I changed my tone about the book accordingly. They seemed genuinely surprised that older members would no longer sing their praises. This is a good book, but that doesn't mean that they should be allowed to freeroll players. If they're so special, as they like to claim, why can't they take a more proactive stance to prevent freerolling? If you take the bet, you pay the bet. No questions asked.

[cory1111]

[QUOTE=Dark Horse;16303718]Heritage is very sensitive to negative publicity, so they would have informed sbr that they didn't agree to arbitration by Justin just to get their reputation attacked on this forum.


Heritage is sensitive to negative publicity but yet they have no problem stealing 23k from my mother?

[KEdge2k]

cory -- just stop it, no one is buying this whole "it was my mother who was playing" crap. At least, I'm not. You have far too much interest in this for it to just be "your mom" that hit the royals.

[uncynd]

Yea it's pretty obvious now that his Mom is involved long after the fact. Shame on you cory, but shame on you heritage and shame on sbr as well.

The resolution as it stands stinks for cory and I know some of you support sportsbooks freerolling clients, but I for one do not. Even if said client was previously banned.

In my opinion the action should have been rejected from the onset, since it was not, any deposits should be refunded and action voided.

[HedgeHog]

Yea it's pretty obvious now that his Mom is involved long after the fact. Shame on you cory, but shame on you heritage and shame on sbr as well.

The resolution as it stands stinks for cory and I know some of you support sportsbooks freerolling clients, but I for one do not. Even if said client was previously banned.

In my opinion the action should have been rejected from the onset, since it was not, any deposits should be refunded and action voided.

Heritage already sent back his deposits, only his winnings were voided.