Corey up to no good again, this time at Heritage. Hits 2 Royals and is owed 43K

**Optional** · 11-13-12, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by cloverfield

Sounds like in order for it to work you have to play a massive amount of hands first..then something happens and you're able to hit 2 Royal Flushes. If the only instance of this happening is with Cory I'm sure other books that offer this are on the lookout for this kind of play. I doubt they would remove an otherwise profitable game just because of one person.

A lot of people probably don't want to be bothered or are too smart knowing this style of play will look suspicious.
If the game has been around for years and only Cory has found a loophole that's telling you something right there.

Maybe you missed early in the thread where Justin7 said the account was playing around 6000 hands per month only (which isn't a lot).

And that was the mathematically optimal number to play in combination with Heritage's bonus structure for the best +EV.

He could have several accounts/people playing the 6000 hands per month, hopefully not losing too much if the numbers hold up for them, and if so he would likely expect to get 30 or 40k ahead in one of those accounts occasionally.

Not saying that's exactly what is going on, just to explain hitting 2 royals close together twice over a year or two could be more likely to happen than not in that situation, rather than being proof the game is cheatable.

**cloverfield** · 11-13-12, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Maybe you missed early in the thread where Justin7 said the account was playing around 6000 hands per month only (which isn't a lot).

And that was the mathematically optimal number to play in combination with Heritage's bonus structure for the best +EV.

He could have several accounts/people playing the 6000 hands per month, hopefully not losing too much if the numbers hold up for them, and if so he would likely expect to get 30 or 40k ahead in one of those accounts occasionally.

Not saying that's exactly what is going on, just to explain hitting 2 royals close together twice over a year or two could be more likely to happen than not in that situation, rather than being proof the game is cheatable.

I understand what you mean. The problem is that the Royals are always hit on the same account as each other in a small timeframe.
He's not hitting two royals within a 5-6 account spread. This has happened numerous times. He also has NO problem depositing $30,000 to the SAME ACCOUNT that eventually hits (2) Royals.

If he had 10 accounts playing 6000 hands each a month... then one account would possibly hit a Royal...then maybe another one down the line..Not the same account getting BOTH Royals within xx hands of each other..

.Unfortunately for this argument it's the same pattern each and every time. Doesn't matter which sportsbook, doesn't matter which account...same game each time, same (2) Royals each time to the same account each time...Surely you're not suggesting Cory has 7 accounts each depositing $30,000 every month hoping to hit Royals and come out ahead???

He knows something about how the game works and he's guaranteed himself to hit (2) Royals in a short timeframe after having no problem losing $30,000+ to get there. Have you ever heard about a player depositing that much to play on an online casino and SOLELY the casino of an online SPORTSbook?...Most people are asking to get their casino access shutdown.. Cory is pumping $30,000 into it without a problem.

We won't even mention the fact that supposedly Cory is so confident in this system that he has no issue telling his MOM to deposit $32,000+ to play this SAME game... Oh I forgot..his mom loves to play in casinos and she just happens to love the same game Cory does...and she just happened to hit (2) Royals in a close timeframe...

**Optional** · 11-13-12, 06:45 PM

If he had 10 accounts rolling, remembering they are each playing at +EV odds over the long term, it would be far less of an issue for one of them to go 32k down, as odds are he would be around 32k up in the other 9 accounts over the same period. (well not exactly over short periods but you get the idea)

It makes a lot more sense why his mother would play until 32k down in that multiple accounts scenario.

All over it's far more logical to suspect something like that is going on than there is a software flaw. If there was a way to decide a bet a on it, I'd go allin against Cory cheating the software.

**cloverfield** · 11-14-12, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Optional

If he had 10 accounts rolling, remembering they are each playing at +EV odds over the long term, it would be far less of an issue for one of them to go 32k down, as odds are he would be around 32k up in the other 9 accounts over the same period. (well not exactly over short periods but you get the idea)

It makes a lot more sense why his mother would play until 32k down in that multiple accounts scenario.

All over it's far more logical to suspect something like that is going on than there is a software flaw. If there was a way to decide a bet a on it, I'd go allin against Cory cheating the software.

ok. so you think he is depositing upwards of $300,000 split by possibly 10 accounts. He would also have to posses a hell of a lot of CC's/aliases for this to go on and be able to deposit with. The (2) back-to-back Royals just happen to hit on the SAME account each time (if multiple accounts were hitting Royals I'm sure we would have heard about it in the original investigation review). I believe there is no way in hell this is what is going on. Hopefully in the future we will hear a review/analyses from Heritage. Until then we're really spinning wheels.

**Optional** · 11-14-12, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by cloverfield

ok. so you think he is depositing upwards of $300,000 split by possibly 10 accounts. He would also have to posses a hell of a lot of CC's/aliases for this to go on and be able to deposit with. The (2) back-to-back Royals just happen to hit on the SAME account each time (if multiple accounts were hitting Royals I'm sure we would have heard about it in the original investigation review). I believe there is no way in hell this is what is going on. Hopefully in the future we will hear a review/analyses from Heritage. Until then we're really spinning wheels.

You obviously don't understand the concept I was trying to explain. Or didn't read it. To simplify it a little... the more accounts being operated the less likely there are any losses to carry overall.

If there was 10 accounts playing this way and all 30k down he is either doing something wrong or the game is seriously rigged against the player.

And again, I don't 'think' Cory was doing anything. You could be right that he was cheating somehow, his mother could simply have been playing alone, she could have been part of a group, or something else all together. I was only meaning to help explain the evidence you see as slam dunk proof he was cheating may not really be. ;-)

**Scooter** · 12-08-12, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Scooter

"1) That an "industry expert" was going to look over the case and pass judgement.

2) That if they don't pay the winnings, the money will go to charity.

How about an update, Heritage?
ETA for both of these?"

Bump.

Bump.

**raiders72001** · 12-08-12, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Scooter

Bump.

He posted his decision a long time ago.

**Spanks** · 12-27-12, 08:12 AM

**Peregrine Stoop** · 12-27-12, 11:34 AM

do you guys not share money trains with family?
My whole family tears up vp spots when it's appropriate. It will be me, my dad, my mom, my wife all sitting at the same bank of games. We all play the same: correctly. Our times wouldn't vary much either as there is a perfect strategy for this stuff that's easily learned. All of us would be around 1200 hands per hour at a standard vp machine and faster when concentrating. Far too much made of "mom" in this.

**Scooter** · 12-27-12, 12:08 PM

Heritage stated that if they stiff Cory, they will donate his winnings to charity.

What happened to this, Heritage?

**neverstoppers23** · 12-27-12, 01:40 PM

not surprising i was one of the few who said this guy was a cheater from day 1 when he posted, when 99 percent of you were slurping this guy off patting him on the back. the rx was right on this issue when they ruled on the side of ez. this guy will continue to do this, probably had to use his mothers name because he has been black listed by books.

**CollegePro** · 12-27-12, 03:45 PM

did cory get his money?? according to Ryan @ BI, he got all his money paid

**pokernut9999** · 12-27-12, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by CollegePro

did cory get his money?? according to Ryan @ BI, he got all his money paid

Cory and Ryan are the same person.

**CollegePro** · 12-27-12, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Cory and Ryan are the same person.

lolz.. so he was trying to make some money from heritage to pay BI players?? but heritage caught him so he failed??

**chaka** · 12-27-12, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

To be fair, I didn't assess how good the play was; I only reviewed the speed. If it mattered, I would have reviewed the skill level.

So when trying to determine if two accounts are possibly the same person playing the same game, skill level is irrelevant?

**raiders72001** · 12-27-12, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by chaka

So when trying to determine if two accounts are possibly the same person playing the same game, skill level is irrelevant?

He said, " If it mattered,"

**BigDeem5** · 04-05-13, 01:08 AM

Pop Corn

Bumping this for my boy across the street.