[bigboydan]

I will send everything. betED is asking for some things and Dozer said that he is busy and out of the office until next week and he is going to email me.

Fair enough.

If you really want to try and resolve this matter ASAP you can send me your documentation.

[SBR Lou]

If you really want to try and resolve this matter ASAP you can send me your documentation.

You're thinking with the wrong head Dan.

[operaman]

Not that my opinion matters, but what in the world is Justin7 (a moderator) doing participating in the blackmail of beted?

If this is not blackmail please illuminate me on what is going on? It is hard not to get upset with the apparent actions of two of the posters I have respected for a long time (justin7 and JC).

Answer a few simple questions:

1) Is gnoming against the T&C of the site?
2) If the op didn't place her own bets is she not a gnome?
3) If 1 and 2 are true why would beted not have the right to withhold funds?

[OldZig]

Great post Operaman except you haven't proven point #2, you are making an assumption. I hope she sends all information and BetED pays. Then BetED will not be a stiff book but they will still be silly bastards.

[Justin7]

Operaman,

I'm not sure I understand your post.

We don't blackmail. We simply make sure books (and players) follow clear rules. My opinions are based only on what I know, which is just based on the player's version of the facts

betED contacted me, telling me there is a lot more to this... but they haven't gone into details.

[curious]

Operaman,

I'm not sure I understand your post.

We don't blackmail. We simply make sure books (and players) follow clear rules. My opinions are based only on what I know, which is just based on the player's version of the facts

betED contacted me, telling me there is a lot more to this... but they haven't gone into details.

Books always say that. SBG said that about my case. The "lot more" turned out to be total bullshit.

[increasedodds]

I'll take +100 odds that:

original poster is male.
original poster opened duplicate account in friends name.
Used a proxy server.Did not know it was in CR.
He won. Beted found a reason not to pay.
He'll have her id, but no way to show she was in CR.

If I were Beted,I'd pay here and send proof of payment to the IRS....

[OldZig]

I will take that bet for any amount

[Halifax]

I will take that bet for any amount

The only thing Dr. Odds is wrong about is the proxy server thing.

[OldZig]

I will take that bet w/o proxy server. You guys act like you know what everyone is doing and thinking. In reality you, me, and everyone else here has no ****ing clue except a bunch of chat on the boards. Only people who know the facts are SGC and BetED. I'm just pointing out that that was a stupid bet to put up, especially at even money, HAHAHAHA.

[bigboydan]

Even if it was a proxy server issue at all it wouldn't factor into this at all IMO. The reason I even say that is the fact that the book changed the rules after the player had already placed the wagers back in September when the account was opened.

According to the last SBR rules scan of 10/19/07:

2. Only one account is allowed per householdor , shared computer or IP Address. If you do share a house or computer with friends, coworkers, spouse or otherwise, please contact Customer Service before depositing to make special arrangements.

36. The use of anonymizers and proxy servers is 100% prohibited unless discussed with Management in advance. Accounts found to be using anonymizers and proxy servers to mask their identities may forfeit their winnings and have their accounts closed at the discretion of management.

Another point that sticks out to me is why did the book agreed to the payment plan with her, and then withdraw it's offer.


Bottom line IMO will be IF the player can prove she was in CR via the passport, travel documents, ect,ect. then I believe she deserves the money.

[HedgeHog]

I will take that bet for any amount

I think you just tipped your hand. Being from CR yourself, and with a just a handful of posts prior to this thread, you are a little too strong in your support of SGC. Do you have inside info on this situation? Perhaps it's your account and you have a female stooge in Minnesota. You also explained the Pinnacle Lean to me in another thread, another crucial element to SGC's fairy tale.

Here's your post:

Yesterday, 06:28 PM #14 (permalink)
OldZig
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Join Date: 11-02-07
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I would think that you could say there was a matchbook lean, it's an exchange though so it's different. If you notice however when pinnacle will run a line +6.5-115 and everyone else is running +6-110 that Matchbook will often have the same +6.5 w/ juice.

[Dark Horse]

betED contacted me, telling me there is a lot more to this...

Nah...

[bigboydan]

Actually DH... It's all speculation on BetEd's part without real proof.

[HedgeHog]

SBR:

I think you're heading down a slippery slope here. On one hand, you're helping an obvious fraud collect gains from a CR book that's simply abiding by your country's laws. On the other hand, you're trying to help hundreds of people against a CR ripoff Book--Cascade. How can you send all of us Cascade people through the proper legal channels, yet try to bypass it for one con. SBR needs to verify her story, especially the first 7 bets in CR (was she there at the time--very important). If "she" was in CR at the time fine--go forward 100%. If not, drop it. Otherwise, you are doing a disservice to the Cascade people accepting your advice to go through the local legal system (IMO).

[Dark Horse]

Actually DH... It's all speculation on BetEd's part without real proof.

Let's hear their side of the story.

In baby blue?

[bigboydan]

Bill pretty much explain part of the books side of the story in post #45:

The bookies in CR often use people to bet for them elsewhere and BetEd is a good target...a weak rule and recreational-player lines.

BetEd feels that this might be the case, however the problem is that I haven't seen them prove that fact as of yet.

[Mason]

Wouldn't it be ironic if it turned out to be Cascade or one their compadres they're 'sharing space' with that actually opened the account, made the bets and put SexyGamblerChick up to this?

[HedgeHog]

Bill pretty much explain part of the books side of the story in post #45:



BetEd feels that this might be the case, however the problem is that I haven't seen them prove that fact as of yet.

Dan: If Beted proves that the first 7 bets came from CR, isn't the burden then switched to SGC to prove her story. Simply verifying that the account holder is a female from Minnesota is not enough. Somebody bet on this account from CR 6 weeks ago. SGC says it what was her on vacation, but she is a resident of Minnesota. Prove these two points and then there is a case. Too much to ask?

[operaman]

did anyone answer my questions? hmmmm

[acw]

but they haven't gone into details.

Ask them to post those details on this forum!

[bigboydan]

Dan: If Beted proves that the first 7 bets came from CR, isn't the burden then switched to SGC to prove her story. Simply verifying that the account holder is a female from Minnesota is not enough. Somebody bet on this account from CR 6 weeks ago. SGC says it what was her on vacation, but she is a resident of Minnesota. Prove these two points and then there is a case. Too much to ask?

I was referring to proving that another book was involved in this mess in some type of fashion.

As far as the other stuff goes though... As I said before, It's up to the player to prove her claims. Which by the way I'm still waiting for her documentation mind you.

[Dark Horse]

Bill pretty much explain part of the books side of the story in post #45:

The bookies in CR often use people to bet for them elsewhere and BetEd is a good target...a weak rule and recreational-player lines.

BetEd feels that this might be the case, however the problem is that I haven't seen them prove that fact as of yet.

The plot deepens.

Is that the motive for the pink act?

Gotta love this forum.

[Dark Horse]

It would make sense.

If it's your own 20K on the line, why dress the whole thing up? Just stick to the facts. But if its shadier, and someone else's money, presenting the story may become more important.

Pink? lol

This wasn't a mother in panic at the thought of losing, what, a year or half year's income. Instead, considerable thought went into the presentation. Also, at numerous points she seemed more interested in sympathy than in the money.

So the question is: why? Were we being played? Was the forum itself being used as a tool to build a -public opinion- case against BetEd?

[Bill Dozer]

SexyGamblerChick,

As you saw in the email from Ed, they have agreed to allow us to arbitrate.

If you will send your proof of vacation to Assistance@sportsbookReview.com we should be able to end this quick and get you paid.

Scan your passport stamps, hotel and flight charges/receipts and it will also be helpful if you can state in what building in CR the bets were placed.

[Dark Horse]

And now for the grand finale.

Chiquita, no lipstick kisses on perfumed paper!

[SBR Lou]

Scan your passport stamps, hotel and flight charges/receipts and it will also be helpful if you can state in what building in CR the bets were placed.

Bill is so awesome.

[Al Masters]

Theatre of the absurd seems to be in its final act.

Any ideas on how it ends?

Perhaps lost luggage containing all reciepts

Maybe the main character never returns

Or perhaps the real absurd, she gets paid making clowns out of many, including myself.

[Dumb_lucK]

[QUOTE=HedgeHog;400770]Somebody bet on this account from CR 6 weeks ago. SGC says it what was her on vacation, but she is a resident of Minnesota.QUOTE]

what strikes me here is how in a previous post "she" has stated that she'd rather not get her friend involved but if it came to it "he" would certainly jump in here.

Does BetED see Syndicates?

Is this friend from CR?

Did he say "Hey Sexy, open an account for me as I already have an account and want to bet more..?"

All the possibilities of a scammer from what we've seen here many time on SBR only this one writes in pink and claims to be a girl!

[bigboydan]

be helpful if you can state in what building in CR the bets were placed.

I couldn't help but to notice that one of Mason's previous posts mentioned Cascade. I wonder if thats who BetEd was referring too before, but couldn't prove.

[Mason]

Actualy I don't think it's Cascade. From the sounds of things on this site Lenny doesn't have 10k+ to be throwing around on games as her friend does. Just having some fun playing off of HedgeHog's take on how CR laws are interpreted.

"SBR:

I think you're heading down a slippery slope here. On one hand, you're helping an obvious fraud collect gains from a CR book that's simply abiding by your country's laws. On the other hand, you're trying to help hundreds of people against a CR ripoff Book--Cascade. How can you send all of us Cascade people through the proper legal channels, yet try to bypass it for one con. "

[Dark Horse]

Theatre of the absurd seems to be in its final act.

Any ideas on how it ends?

Perhaps lost luggage containing all reciepts

Maybe the main character never returns

Or perhaps the real absurd, she gets paid making clowns out of many, including myself.

If she only has to show proof of a trip to CR, she may get paid.

With a little computer art work I could show that I was in CR if I only had to show copies of documents; it just would take me a little while. As mentioned earlier, if you wanted your money, wouldn't you have sent your documentation to SBR ASAP? How long would it take you to fax? Ten, fifteen minutes? After such a long delay I would no longer accept copies of documents as the genuine thing. The fact that she has repeatedly spend time on stating that she will send the info, instead of actually sending it, may as well be translated as: 'I just need some more time'.

Outcome may depend on if the allegation by BetEd -that there is more going on- is thrown out or taken seriously.

To make her point she uses false argumentation that BetEd wouldn't have agreed to pay her anything if she wasn't right, where in fact BetEd only agreed to return her initial deposit. Smoke and mirrors, this chiquita.

[SBR Lou]

At this stage, let's call things as they are. We all know the girl from Minnesota behind the account has never been to Costa Rica. I think it is honorable of Bill to even extend the opportunity for the girl and her cohorts to manufacture something in the way of 'evidence'.

It is glaringly obvious she does not deserve a dime, has never truly vacationed in Costa Rica, and has come here with the sole intention of generating tons of interest in the case with her flamboyance and bravado. The person behind the posts knew they could not produce cold hard facts, so they had to create an image, something to elicit mass sympathy to smudge the logistics of the situation. It actually worked in a way because we're all still talking about this bullshit.

However, the SGC account actually backfired because it generated a little too much interest. The people who were paying attention, not those simply drooling upon first sight of a dumbass bitch typing in pink, caught onto the ruse.

[operaman]

Theatre of the absurd seems to be in its final act.

Or perhaps the real absurd, she gets paid making clowns out of many, including myself.

I'm already a CLOWN

[curious]

If she only has to show proof of a trip to CR, she may get paid.

With a little computer art work I could show that I was in CR if I only had to show copies of documents; it just would take me a little while. As mentioned earlier, if you wanted your money, wouldn't you have sent your documentation to SBR ASAP? How long would it take you to fax? Ten, fifteen minutes? After such a long delay I would no longer accept copies of documents as the genuine thing. The fact that she has repeatedly spend time on stating that she will send the info, instead of actually sending it, may as well be translated as: 'I just need some more time'.

Outcome may depend on if the allegation by BetEd -that there is more going on- is thrown out or taken seriously.

To make her point she uses false argumentation that BetEd wouldn't have agreed to pay her anything if she wasn't right, where in fact BetEd only agreed to return her initial deposit. Smoke and mirrors, this chiquita.

F**K, I could show that I am a NASA astronaut and I was on the space station if I only have to provide "copies" of documentation.