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Vegas changed the amount of decks in the shoe to counter this. They took steps....why do all these sportbooks offer this game if it can be beat. Heritage had all the data from when Cory beat it the first time...should have just plugged the leakOriginally Posted by jizay
on a side note, how do you hit a royal for 20k at heritage? it would have to be in the 25-line version and you would have to be dealt a royal in the first 5. that would be 25k though. kind of hard to draw 4 to a royal and hit 20/25.
$25 a spin pays 20k
it's not the 25 line version
Player is Banned from book then opens account under his mother name to play? Anybody applying even an ounce of common sense wouldn't even need to read further. Lucky their getting anything regardless of whether the game is EV or not. Completely different than EZ street which player opened account under his name and when he won was told he wouldn't be paid because of bot use.
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max bet at heritage is 5 credits at $1. don't have $5 per credit there.
well good question
i thought they had $5 credit
It's hard to keep track of all the books Cory has been banned at, or not banned, and which ones he has hit royals at.
Odd, how he just keeps hitting those things, isn't it?................
And if there was no Sbr. Would heritage refund the money? I didn't know playing at a sportsbook, They would go to the trouble of finding out genaology reports and airline reports. Quite honestly, that stuff should never come into question in a sportsbook review. That shit should remain private. We are not apply for the cia here, we are playing at books. If heritage doesn't want to let people play at their book that are banned they should do a better screening in the beginning process. This, lets find out all we can about the person is stupid. I feel they should pay the player and kick him. Heritage is my favorite book also but i just can't agree with this. I have lost a fortune in their casino and maybe i should do a genology report of their casino manager because maybe he is cousins with someone I don't do buisness with and I deserve my money back. What if I was to has mike their manager what airline and can you provide me with your resutrant recepits for last week.
are you and i the only one's to see the emperor is naked?
After many, many years and the invention of auto card shufflers. Before that, they just banned people who they thought had an edge. Regardless, it is a big no-no to use beards at a place where you are banned. Everyone knows that.
To put it differently...Suppose a guy is just very sharp at sports betting and consistently finds some +EV edge. Should they stop posting lines? Should there be no sports betting at all, even though it is a profitable product to offer to almost everyone else, and those people want it? The books don't have to stop offering anything, nor do they have to lose in perpetuity to a player who has found an edge.
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Heritage theft, deception and the Justin7 whitewashing
I wonder if Justin7 will allow Cory's mother to spam the living shit out of the board everyday?
sharpcat, your problem is with sbr not heritage, thats obvious...cory broke rules, got busted and is lucky to even get back the deposits... i would have started to deduct a dime a lie from his mother and told her she can stop or keep going... i wouldnt give him back a single penny and neither would a lot of books... there will be thousands of newbs trying the same shit now, expecting to get their deposits back after getting busted...stupid shit like this will open the floodgates for free rolling assholes...it fukks up signing up and withdrawing for the rest of us.. should have told him to fukk off and made an example out of his scamming ass...its really cut and dry and i dont understand why everyone cant see it.. jmo, anyways... gl on sunday boys...
I have no problem with the decision. Heritage proved that a banned player used a beard to get back in the game. As such, the player and Book should be put back to the same position they were had this not occurred.
What I do have a problem with is SBR giving this same scammer a platform in the S & I forum earlier to spam about a non-sponsor Book. Now, regardless of who was right or wrong, SBR stays quiet on a sponsor Book confiscating funds from the same scammer and the story had to be brought over from another forum. It reaks of favortism.
why was she required to send airplane tickets to prove where she was? I always thought that a person is innocent until proven guilty. She sent her passport scan and a utility bill and that should be enough. I encourage Cory, if this is all true, to open another account in his friends name at Heritage and when he is down 15k to reveal himself as the real user of the account.
Justin
looks like not everything is getting posted
i read a thread at another forum and the IP issue is being questioned
maybe you can talk about it here for those of us that don't post at that other forum?
this is SBR right?
also a good point was brought about IP addresses and a thread you made just awhile ago about them
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...-internet.html
Since you aren't allowed there now, I posted this at Peeps, you have my permission to send this form letter out to all your sponsors. In fact I'd recommend it.
Dear sponsors,
I am aware the information has been exchanged freely amongst you guys concerning Cory and his online play. All of you know who he is and have known since the EZStreet thing so the freerolls need to stop. As an SBR sponsor my job is to come out here and "justify" the confiscation of funds. I tried to bury it, I tried to pretend it was no big deal, I even held out hope everyone would just move on but the posters aren't as dumb as you think they are.
I'm asking all of you to close the account NOW, do not wait for him to start winning, I don't want to come out here and justify it again. Reagan asked me a question and I responded that the when/what and how of you all finding out it was Cory is not relevant. Your genealogy searches, your personal interrogation of the account holder and the close scrutiny of her flight, cruise and travel schedules from 6 months ago are the only things relevant. Hard to type that with a straight face.
More importantly if you sponsor books stop with the freerolling, I can do 13 more videos from my office about what a shitty thing it is for a book to confiscate funds. That way I look smarter, the site looks more legit and we can continue fleecing the sheep like we've been doing the last few years. We'll send out a few hats and pizzas to shut the regulars up, ban the others that can't be bought and continue on with business as usual.
Sincerely,
Justin (watchdog for the nonsponsors)
I doubt he is. I didn't see where Heritage is claiming any kind of software manipulation, and Justin himself spent a lot of time defending his play. What I suspect is he's playing at many of the books, if not all of them. He's a degenerate. The books exchange information, they know exactly who it is. Since the game is -EV he's losing, the books allow that, only when he wins is it that the screaming begins. I mean the whole idea of bearding in to play a -EV game is as laughable as the rest of this story.
And FTR one of the sorriest things I read is "we don't care where the money comes if we're winning, we only investigate when we lose". Even if that is the truth (and I'm sure it is) I wouldn't admit to it. So a guy stealing from the Orphans fund at work can lose every cent, but if he gets hot and begins to win the books immediately want to look into it? That's pathetic. Again, Heritage should not be singled out for it, in fact it's probably pretty much a standard thing offshore. Doesn't make it right though.
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I would love to hear how that's possible? I know payouts on some video poker machines are +ev if you can handle the variance, but for a -ev payout table how can a player gain an edge? Sounds like a flaw or bug in the software that cory figured out.Heritage believes that Cory Roth is able to play the DGS Casino version of Jacks or Better with a positive edge. As a result, Heritage would not knowingly allow any person to operate an account if Cory Roth had access to that account.
Someone clarify. With the EZ fiasco, didn't he play much longer sessions? The sessions here aren't long.
Cory PM me I'll beard for you if you let me in on how you beat -ev games
So either DGS JoB is not a fair random game and it can be cheated or Heritage is run by incompetent idiots who turn away profitable customers....
Even if it is the software that has a bug and makes it beatable, the solution would be to fix the software or find a provider with a fair game, not turn away a degenerate gambler.
I don't have a horse in this race, but I play on DGS casinos from time to time and a lot of the statements in this thread have me scratching my head.
It's not just offshore. It's the same for any UK or Aussie book I've played at. You know... those books that are actually regulated by things like strict laws and such.
Right now I have an account at one of the largest regulated books out there. Sent in my ID straight away as we have to within 90 days or your account is automatically closed and deposited via a card. After I blew through that deposit in a couple of months I deposited via another card. That was about 18mths ago. Have never been contacted for verification of that card at any point and I've made several deposits since then with it. I'm pretty sure I've actually surpassed the amount involved in Cory's case - sorry, his mother - because I use that account for a few different reasons. However when I go to click withdraw it won't let me. Exact words: "Error making withdrawal. Withdrawal Request Access Denied. Credit/DC and Identification Process incomplete" As soon as I request a payout or if I happen to hit a big play - which has also happened to me at Centrebet under the same circumstances - then I have to start ponying up the ID.
Could be anyone's card I was playing with for that year and a half. Even if I'd only made one deposit with it and then went back to my original card. They don't know. But if a book went through a rigorous screening process before they ever accepted a deposit - considering most new players are one and done types who never return after blowing through their $50 and their bonus - it's pretty safe to say the few perks we still get at books these days would disappear quite quickly thanks to the manhours required verifying what are largely going to be dormant accounts very shortly.
Cool story
This has nothing to do with ID verification!
Either SBR and Heritage prove 100% that Cory operated the account from the same IP address that Cory previously used or pay the player.
We've gone through this before:
Can't prove beyond a doubt that the player used a bot................................PAY THE PLAYER
Can't prove beyond a doubt that Cory controlled the account...........................PAY THE PLAYER
Many ways to prove the same user accessed an account....IP address, MAC address, mother board serial numbers etc.,..................."we think your lying" is not prooof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by sharpcat; 09-09-12 at 11:16 PM. Reason: Highlighting "THINK"
The player brought the complaint. There was strong evidence suggesting someone other than the player control the account. There was at least enough to look further into it. What happened when we looked further into it? The player made numerous inconsistent statements, denied the availability of evidence, and then refused to produce it when other sources showed it was available.Cool story
This has nothing to do with ID verification!
Either SBR and Heritage prove 100% that Cory operated the account from the same IP address that Cory previously used or pay the player.
We've gone through this before:
Can't prove beyond a doubt that the player used a bot................................PAY THE PLAYER
Can't prove beyond a doubt that Cory controlled the account...........................PAY THE PLAYER
Many ways to prove the same user accessed an account....IP address, MAC address, mother board serial numbers etc.,..................."we think your lying" is not prooof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How would a US court rule? It would require the player to submit to a sworn statement under oath, and produce any other records Heritage requested. In this dispute which the player brought, the player wouldn't even produce her airline records, showing her flights (which, if her earlier inconsistent statement were accurate, would show that someone else was using her account). Any court in the US would enter a default judgment against the player, and probably enter sanctions against the player.
Dude are you even reading the thread? I responded to Patrick's post.Cool story
This has nothing to do with ID verification!
Either SBR and Heritage prove 100% that Cory operated the account from the same IP address that Cory previously used or pay the player.
We've gone through this before:
Can't prove beyond a doubt that the player used a bot................................PAY THE PLAYER
Can't prove beyond a doubt that Cory controlled the account...........................PAY THE PLAYER
Many ways to prove the same user accessed an account....IP address, MAC address, mother board serial numbers etc.,..................."we think your lying" is not prooof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this has NOTHING to do with a bot. It has to do with a person contradicting and downright lying when questioned about her account.
I suggest you do a little reading about VSAT's and how they work on cruise ships. And then come let me know how she was on a cruise by her own statement where the only Internet service was provided by Maritime Communications - same as it is for oil rigs, yachts, government ships... basically anything at sea - during the time the royal was hit from a Florida IP. And don't even try with the proxies or VPNs. Again... do some research. I'll give you a hint: You're going to find many articles about how cruise ships block VPN ports and even basic Internet access is close to dial up speed at most times. But yeah, keep playing those hands every 3 seconds.
Yes your knickers are in a knot about SBR. Why you're even back here after embarrassing yourself with your little diatribe about me I have no clue. But at least start inserting some facts into your posts as you're almost getting to the point of spam.
Since some non-relevant specifics being deemed "non-relevant details" aren't being discussed (for example besides how the edge was being derived and how this affects beard/syndicate play at sportsbooks) just pure speculation but if there were bonuses involved a game near 100% (like JoB) could easily be +EV (if I recall right this was Cory's play at EZStreet).
Sounds like "this person" liked to gamble it up (implied by the 30k loss in initial loses and only moving into the positive after hitting two large royals) and if you are extremely aggressive with your play your EV grows near the full value of the bonus in relation to your aggression level. While a high rollover might cause the bonus to be -EV for someone trying to play low stakes to it grind it out this won't be the case (since your expected loss is based on actual coin-in which is minimized by increased aggression) for someone who is willing to win big or go home with nothing (well till the next bonus is offered anyhow...) leading to a +EV play albeit with huge swings.
Maybe Cory and friends know something about this specific software but (again without knowing what was being offered by Heritage to the player) I would put my money on the above scenario which explains why Cory could have been in the right in the EZStreet dispute while "his mother" was deemed in the wrong in this one...
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I think it would be closer to can't come close to proving that player used a bot... PAY THE PLAYER...Cool story
This has nothing to do with ID verification!
Either SBR and Heritage prove 100% that Cory operated the account from the same IP address that Cory previously used or pay the player.
We've gone through this before:
Can't prove beyond a doubt that the player used a bot................................PAY THE PLAYER
Can't prove beyond a doubt that Cory controlled the account...........................PAY THE PLAYER
Many ways to prove the same user accessed an account....IP address, MAC address, mother board serial numbers etc.,..................."we think your lying" is not prooof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If not proving beyond a doubt that Cory controlled the account coming damn close... DON'T PAY THE PLAYER AND RETURN THE DEPOSITS...
1. The US court discussion is pointless. The books that service the USA are their own law. One of the few things that keep them in check is their willingness to keep a good public image. If not for forums, free information exchange, and sites like these then a lot more of this would be going on.
2. Cory was told that his business was no longer welcome. Beating -EV games aside....it is the books right after paying him those royals a while ago to say so long. They did...Cory tried to get around it.
Here is a point that is not being discussed to much What if Cory just told his mother or whoever how to beat the -EV JOB on the site? Obviously some hole or angle is still there that the software provider did not plug before. IMO the book should have had more due diligence in asking for the background check after an X level of deposits (losses) had been reached. She deposited 30k and lost it. It makes the book look really cheap...we love you...deposit..we love you...deposit...hmm 25k level or so reached. Should we look into this...naw we are getting the money and she is losing.
Oh no...person just hit big twice and ordered a cashout...we should look into it. Right or Wrong...This gives the appearance that the book will take money eyes wide shut but when cashouts occur they will look for reasons to disqualify paying that would not hinder them from taking the money in the first place. If op never hit then no money...if they hit at worst we give back money minus fees....
I am pretty sure that in US court the player in this case would be awarded the right of legal representation. Also pretty sure that since Heritage openly accepted a contract with the player and allowed the player to play for an extended period of time before denying payment that it is up to Heritage to prove that the account was used by Cory and not his mother and that their theft of the winnings is justified.
When you represented Cory in the EZ case you advised him not to go to CR and subject himself to a lie detector and other forms of testing correct? Funny how now you suddenly require the player to submit to DNA testing in order to claim their winnings.
All cruise ships do not block VPN and data speeds can reach any range depending on the ships location and how many people are hogging up the network. The player also could have been running her desktop remotely????? Google that if you want to waste more of your time researching I am always entertained by google box internet rocket scientists.
Embarrassment would require me giving a shit what people in internet land think about me. Lucky for me I do not have to spend my time seeking companionship on the internet but good luck to you on that
EZ Street complaint: Justin advises player to NOT comply with NON-SPONSOR book's attempt to verify the legitimacy of his play. Player's shady past is shielded and he's given a daily platform to voice his repetitive complaint. In short, player's interests are 100% protected.
Heritage complaint: Player is advised to COMPLY with SPONSOR book's attempt to disprove legitimacy of play. Justin urges player to release travel records that will likely prove she wasn't the actual JOB player. In short, sponsor book's interests are 100% protected.
Last edited by HedgeHog; 09-10-12 at 07:40 AM. Reason: spelling
I always advise players to provide facts or evidence if there is a material dispute. A lie detector test does not provide facts. If EZ had alleged multi-accounting by the player, and had wanted some records that were not burdensome to produce, they would have been produced.
No one said anything about a VPN in this dispute. If you come up with enough versions, you may find one that is difficult to refute, especially when a party refuses to cooperate. This is why in disputes, it is good to get both sides to commit to their version of the facts at the outset.All cruise ships do not block VPN and data speeds can reach any range depending on the ships location and how many people are hogging up the network. The player also could have been running her desktop remotely????? Google that if you want to waste more of your time researching I am always entertained by google box internet rocket scientists.
Embarrassment would require me giving a shit what people in internet land think about me. Lucky for me I do not have to spend my time seeking companionship on the internet but good luck to you on that
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