[raydog]

too many of you miss the point...even though he was down 30k, he was still taking a shot at the book after being banned...if heritage gives this clown back his money, they are going above and beyond...i would have told him to go fukk off and called every single book i know to warn them... dont cheat and take shots at books, botton line.

[Rollins08]

Don't you think its strange the book only discoverd this after he won? In this case the book was 100% going to be a winner, they kept collecting deposits and were not going to pay out if he won.

[MBENZ]

Don't you think its strange the book only discoverd this after he won? In this case the book was 100% going to be a winner, they kept collecting deposits and were not going to pay out if he won.

Not strange at all,none of them look at anything when you're losing,why would they?

[Pareto]

What should stop Cory from opening an account in his fathers name and place a bet?

If he wins he tries to withdraw and hopefully get lucky and get the money. If he loses he contacts SBR who gets his deposit back. Its a free bet. All he has to do is pay the transaction costs.

[SBR_John]

The dispute is being treated as any other multi-account dispute. If someone beards in, you void all action, and refund the deposits (minus your costs). This is what happens regardless of whether the game can be cheated. The mention of Heritage's suspicion was to explain why the banned the first Roth account. Again, it does not matter why they banned the first account. If they banned it and he beards in, they can void the action.

What is the final resolution on the money?

[raiders72001]

Heritage should take every penny

Only one account is allowed per name, household, or IP address. Heritage Sports reserves the right to charge a "Multiple Account Fine" for each additional account when any customer opens more than one account. Violators also risk the forfeiture of the funds in these multiple accounts.

[gmcarroll33]

75 replies and not one from Hedgehog or Sharpcat to egg on with Cory. Kind of disappointed

[robmpink]

Eli buddy, I get that my questions are not relevant in the narrow sense.
A joint doesn't want you, and you sneak in the back door, you do so at your own peril.

I'm wondering aside from charge backs, bonus abuse and other 'run of the mill' short cons, what if anything does this guy know that can allow him to be winning systematically on DGS software?

Aren't you curious as to the circumstances re: two Royals so close together?
Are you writing that off as a fluke of variance?

Am I skating on delicate ice with these questions?

Yes, Justin made it clear this isn't the case. I agree with your questions. I've played so many hours in years in the DGS, mostly let it ride. Playing 13 hours a day straight at times. He def has some angle of some sort. I'm not saying he couldn't take meth and play at those hand speeds, but he knows are stumbled on to some advantage.

[HedgeHog]

75 replies and not one from Hedgehog or Sharpcat to egg on with Cory. Kind of disappointed

I was waiting for the Justin7 Video/Thread that Cory's Mom could bump every friggin day.

[mrpooh]

Heritage completely in the right to review the player as info they gave was false. The book is just covering themself.

[Heritage Insider]

Cory beat us on 2 Royal Flushes a 1½ years ago. We paid him, closed his account and notified him that he could no longer play at Heritage.

MBENZ is right – we do not check losers but when there is a large win we need the approval of our Fraud Department before we send payment. This department uncovered a pattern that matched Cory’s previous play. When investigating further they found out the account holder was Cory’s mother. We contacted the account holder with this information and eventually we were contacted by Cory himself. We expressed our desire to resolve this issue and asked for his input. He asked that the case be arbitrated by Justin. We agreed.

As of this morning this account’s deposits less fees are available for withdrawal as per Justin’s recommendation.

[cloverfield]

Just reading the (3) recorded conversations proves that she is a liar. If you are TRULY on the up and up, why would you constantly lie and change your stories?? and then when she KNOWS that Heritage has her over a barrel she doesn't want to give any more private information...even though she already gave (2) versions of almost everything asked.

It's obvious that this Cory Roth person had access to her account in some way and was using it. She was caught in every lie she told and tried to backtrack multiple times.

The only reason Heritage did background on the account is because it seemed suspicious...AND IT ENDED UP BEING WHAT THEY SUSPECTED. It's not like they are going around doing background checks on every account...

[sharpcat]

The joy of airing private disputes in public... The player played from Florida. The player was never in Florida. The elderly woman played 19 hands per minute. So did Cory. Most people can't do this. The player is Cory's mother, but she denied this. The player gave inconsistent statements about where she was, and her flights. She changed her version of the story to "I was always in Florida", which would be consistent with IP logs. The player refused to cooperate with the least intrusive way to validate where she was.

Do you know how much time I spent on this giving her a fair shake? Do you know how much time Heritage spent, giving me all manners of details when I challenged them on their version of what happened?

1) SBR previously concluded that Cory is not a cheat and that these types of hand speeds are easily achievable.

2) You just started a thread the other week about IP addresses. You should know better than anyone that an IP address does not mean shit Justin. Give me a state you want me to reside in and I will reflect an IP address from that state to SBR within 20 seconds.


I say either Heritage pays the player or SBR raises easystreets rating back to a C rated book.

[sharpcat]

Cory beat us on 2 Royal Flushes a 1½ years ago. We paid him, closed his account and notified him that he could no longer play at Heritage.

MBENZ is right – we do not check losers but when there is a large win we need the approval of our Fraud Department before we send payment. This department uncovered a pattern that matched Cory’s previous play. When investigating further they found out the account holder was Cory’s mother. We contacted the account holder with this information and eventually we were contacted by Cory himself. We expressed our desire to resolve this issue and asked for his input. He asked that the case be arbitrated by Justin. We agreed.

As of this morning this account’s deposits less fees are available for withdrawal as per Justin’s recommendation.

So does this mean that Cory cheated Easystreet?

[cloverfield]

1) SBR previously concluded that Cory is not a cheat and that these types of hand speeds are easily achievable.

So even if there is a clearly stated rule on the books site that states a banned player cannot create or use another persons account, that can just be ignored and any book should pay??? Nobody said she cheated. Nobody said she used a bot.

The POINT is that account sharing is not allowed, and it's obvious from records and her own mouth that Cory Roth was involved. You surely aren't going to say that it's just a coincidence that this lady deposits $30k on an online casino and just HAPPENS to be Cory Roths mother?????????????????????????????

and what a coincidence..she just HAPPENS to continually deposit and play until a Royal Flush comes out(not once but TWICE)..same thing that happened with Cory Roth...

[MBENZ]

She's lucky she's getting her deposits back.Real lucky.

[Justin7]

So does this mean that Cory cheated Easystreet?

The issue with EZStreet was whether Cory violated their rules. There was no claim that he had an account there earlier or had been banned from there.

[sharpcat]

So even if there is a clearly stated rule on the books site that states a banned player cannot create or use another persons account, that can just be ignored and any book should pay??? Nobody said she cheated. Nobody said she used a bot.

The POINT is that account sharing is not allowed, and it's obvious from records and her own mouth that Cory Roth was involved. You surely aren't going to say that it's just a coincidence that this lady deposits $30k on an online casino and just HAPPENS to be Cory Roths mother?????????????????????????????

and what a coincidence..she just HAPPENS to continually deposit and play until a Royal Flush comes out(not once but TWICE)..same thing that happened with Cory Roth...

SBR and Heritage have not provided anywhere close to proof beyond doubt that this was Cory multi-accounting just like Easystreet never proved beyond doubt that Cory cheated them. IP adresses do not mean shit many people use a VPN to hide their IP.

[sharpcat]

The issue with EZStreet was whether Cory violated their rules. There was no claim that he had an account there earlier or had been banned from there.

So what do you want this woman to do to prove that she is not Cory? take a lie detector?

[cloverfield]

SBR and Heritage have not provided anywhere close to proof beyond doubt that this was Cory multi-accounting just like Easystreet never proved beyond doubt that Cory cheated them. IP adresses do not mean shit many people use a VPN to hide their IP.

Yes just like she didn't know Cory.
Whoops then she is his aunt?
Whoops then she sends an email to Justin and she is Corys mom

She lives in NY and only played from there
Heritage confronts her with IP's from Florida
Whoops she was on a cruise!!!!!!!!!!
All of her plays came from there..
Whoops she was staying there for a while in Florida.

I'm sure Corys Mom is using a VPN to hide her IP while she is downloading Golden Girls torrents...exactly..it all makes sense now!!!
Cory wasnt using the account..and I have a little green martian living in my closet that gives me all the winners daily too...seriously I do..dont ask me to prove it though..might get sketchy.

[HedgeHog]

The issue with EZStreet was whether Cory violated their rules. There was no claim that he had an account there earlier or had been banned from there.

Maybe now you can admit that Cory Roth is a proven fraud and he played you like a cheap fiddle. He turned your insightful EZ Video into a shit-fest, with your blessing. So where the fukk is the Heritage/ Cory Mom video/thread...can we expect this anytime soon?

[prop]

SBR and Heritage have not provided anywhere close to proof beyond doubt that this was Cory multi-accounting just like Easystreet never proved beyond doubt that Cory cheated them. IP adresses do not mean shit many people use a VPN to hide their IP.

Question - Do you believe there is clear and convincing evidence this player was acting a beard? (doesn't have to be for Cory, just in general is there clear convincing evidence of they were acting as beard? This isn't murder we don't need stone cold poof. I think think what's presented so far is sufficient.

Player wins 2 royal flushes in short period. Is cause to take a look. They discover the IP address does not match the location. Player is asked about this many times, changes story midway. Trips up multiple times.

The Cory element does add to it. There was a matched style of play, someone banned there before, turns out this is his mother, she lies about knowing him, then says he's her nephew, then says his mother. This ads a lot. All this removed I still think they have enough to void the win and refund less fees.

EZStreet case they did not cover themselves with the rules and could not prove any rule was broken.

[capitalist pig]

She's lucky she's getting her deposits back.Real lucky.

Thats also the way I see it.

later

[mighty maron]

Cory beat us on 2 Royal Flushes a 1½ years ago. We paid him, closed his account and notified him that he could no longer play at Heritage.

MBENZ is right – we do not check losers but when there is a large win we need the approval of our Fraud Department before we send payment. This department uncovered a pattern that matched Cory’s previous play. When investigating further they found out the account holder was Cory’s mother. We contacted the account holder with this information and eventually we were contacted by Cory himself. We expressed our desire to resolve this issue and asked for his input. He asked that the case be arbitrated by Justin. We agreed.

As of this morning this account’s deposits less fees are available for withdrawal as per Justin’s recommendation.

1. Cory beat you on 2 Royal Flushes. If this game was +EV with optimum strategy...change the payout table. Casino players expect the advantage to be towards the house....any online casino that offers a +EV game, pays, and keeps it at +EV is asking for it.

2. If Cory beat you and the game was -EV with optimum play, why would you ban a player for just hitting your Royals....

3. Understand about fraud department with Big wins but shouldnt it go the other way. 30K in deposits did not trip the same fraud detection. Let the degen pump in the money and only if they hit check it out if the money and the account owner is legit. A safeguard should be put in when a certain lifetime deposit level or lifetime losses occur. Otherwise the book is freerolling.

In the end, Cory got paid rightly a year and a half ago. heritage said good bye. Cory tried to get around that.Heritage did not solicit corys family to play. Cory's fault and any action that Heritage takes could be rationalized as they made it clear he was not welcome.

Stop offering +EV games in the casino....

[taxer]

This guy beat Heritage once they paid him closed him out , used a beard to beat them and now he is crying because Heritage caught him.

Cory is obviously up to no good

K U D O S to heritage for having a solid risk dpt , things have to work both ways I think us as players need to keep in mind that books have the right to dispute things as well.

fukin imagine how many scammers on a daily on the internet try and pull some shiat , heritage is a class A shop and everyone knows it

[muffins]

SBR and Heritage have not provided anywhere close to proof beyond doubt that this was Cory multi-accounting just like Easystreet never proved beyond doubt that Cory cheated them. IP adresses do not mean shit many people use a VPN to hide their IP.

It's fortunate the standard of proof required in a civil matter is not beyond reasonable doubt then isn't it.

[raiders72001]

She's lucky she's getting her deposits back.Real lucky.

sharp post

[SBR_John]

too many of you miss the point...even though he was down 30k, he was still taking a shot at the book after being banned...if heritage gives this clown back his money, they are going above and beyond...i would have told him to go fukk off and called every single book i know to warn them... dont cheat and take shots at books, botton line.

I find the final recommendation to be unusual. If Heritage and SBR agree on this resolution then fine. But it shouldn't set future precedent. Most, if not all, books are not going to agree with this final resolution given a similar set of circumstances.

As far as the argument..'weell they took his deposits'. That argument falls short because the book only accepted his deposit under false pretense. In my opinion they are not bound to honor the 'accept a bet, pay it'. The book should only return the last deposit imo.

[mighty maron]

As far as the argument..'weell they took his deposits'. That argument falls short because the book only accepted his deposit under false pretense. In my opinion they are not bound to honor the 'accept a bet, pay it'. The book should only return the last deposit imo.

Should any quality book submit the account to the same verification or examination if a total level of deposits or losses occur? I understand about large payouts being under scrutiny but shouldnt large losers be put under the same microscope b4 they hit it big? I know its in the books best interest not to look too closely at big losers only big winners...alas

[cloverfield]

I find the final recommendation to be unusual. If Heritage and SBR agree on this resolution then fine. But it shouldn't set future precedent. Most, if not all, books are not going to agree with this final resolution given a similar set of circumstances.

As far as the argument..'weell they took his deposits'. That argument falls short because the book only accepted his deposit under false pretense. In my opinion they are not bound to honor the 'accept a bet, pay it'. The book should only return the last deposit imo.

Agreed.
You have to remember that when she was initially depositing it was under her name. Sounds like she only deposited under her name.

I'm not sure how Heritages fraud department works..but you'd think after ~$10k in deposits and only casino play they would have looked into it.. I'm surprised after $30K in deposits and losing every bit of it ONLY in the casino they didn't look into it sooner until she won.

[Legions36]

The issue with EZStreet was whether Cory violated their rules. There was no claim that he had an account there earlier or had been banned from there.

I told u last night this was going to get out of hand for u. All my boys that know the truth have joined this thread and they want to know the real story now. They want to know why a Sponser Book that was involved in pretty much the same issue has done no wrong doing but a Nonsponser book had the same thing happen but was wrong? Where is the fairness here?
Its just to bad for SBR that the people behind this fraud r just plain greedy and can't stop. Is it safe to say that this is a scam and fraud now? Maybe all those people that have gotten infractions or bans for calling this guy a scammer can get resolution now. Also what about the book that u guys destroyed the rep from this big scam?

[prop]

I'd love to hear a comment from Justin7 on this.

I find the final recommendation to be unusual. If Heritage and SBR agree on this resolution then fine. But it shouldn't set future precedent. Most, if not all, books are not going to agree with this final resolution given a similar set of circumstances.

As far as the argument..'weell they took his deposits'. That argument falls short because the book only accepted his deposit under false pretense. In my opinion they are not bound to honor the 'accept a bet, pay it'. The book should only return the last deposit imo.

Pretty much been standard for a long time in similar situations all play is voided. There must be at least a dozen examples hanging around where the book was profiting off catching a cheat, and pretty sure also videos where books didn't do what the recommended resolution was here, and J7 called it the industry standard (something like that, perhaps not exact words) on how an honest book would handle it.

I think only refunding the last deposit gives too much power to the books, they might as well send bonus offers to all banned players mothers and hope they lose

[mighty maron]

I told u last night this was going to get out of hand for u. All my boys that know the truth have joined this thread and they want to know the real story now. They want to know why a Sponser Book that was involved in pretty much the same issue has done no wrong doing but a Nonsponser book had the same thing happen but was wrong? Where is the fairness here?
Its just to bad for SBR that the people behind this fraud r just plain greedy and can't stop. Is it safe to say that this is a scam and fraud now? Maybe all those people that have gotten infractions or bans for calling this guy a scammer can get resolution now. Also what about the book that u guys destroyed the rep from this big scam?

Serious question: In your mind...does it matter that Heritage payed him originally and then sent him packing? cory knew he wasnt welcome at the book and still tried. In your mind...is there enough "proof" that this was a beard situation?

[Justin7]

They want to know why a Sponser Book that was involved in pretty much the same issue has done no wrong doing but a Nonsponser book had the same thing happen but was wrong?

Did you read the findings of fact, or discussion?

[HedgeHog]

Did you read the findings of fact, or discussion?

Maybe a video would help explain it.