[MBENZ]

Guys like Cory fukk it up for the many that play by the rules,why anybody defends this little snakes actions is beyond me.Break the rules,pay the friggin price.He's goddamn lucky his mammy is getting shit if in fact it is his mammy and not one of his cohorts in this scam with him.

[sharpcat]

Did you read the findings of fact, or discussion?

Why would a player use beard accounts to play a -EV game?

Why would a book care if a player was dumb enough to use a beard account to play a -EV game?


The player played a -EV game and you really do not have any die hard proof that it was Cory playing. Therefore by your standards that you set in the EZ case the book should pay the player all winnings and close the account.

[mighty maron]

Why would a player use beard accounts to play a -EV game?

Why would a book care if a player was dumb enough to use a beard account to play a -EV game?


The player played a -EV game and you really do not have any die hard proof that it was Cory playing. Therefore by your standards that you set in the EZ case the book should pay the player all winnings and close the account.

Has it been concluded that it is an -EV game with optimum strategy?

[SBR_John]

Why would a player use beard accounts to play a -EV game?

Why would a book care if a player was dumb enough to use a beard account to play a -EV game?


The player played a -EV game and you really do not have any die hard proof that it was Cory playing. Therefore by your standards that you set in the EZ case the book should pay the player all winnings and close the account.

I think he had been banned there previously?

[cloverfield]

Why would a player use beard accounts to play a -EV game?

Because HE WAS ALREADY BANNED.
I'm convinced you are just playing the opposite role on purpose. You're saying things that don't even make common sense.

[HedgeHog]

Guys like Cory fukk it up for the many that play by the rules,why anybody defends this little snakes actions is beyond me.Break the rules,pay the friggin price.He's goddamn lucky his mammy is getting shit if in fact it is his mammy and not one of his cohorts in this scam with him.

Agree 100%. Unfortunately one of his biggest defenders to date has been Justin7. He allowed Cory to spam that EZ Street thread daily--all the while knowing that this guy was a no good cheat. J7 owes this forum an apology IMO.

[mighty maron]

Why would a player be banned from a quality site for winning at a -EV game? HI said he hit two royals and told he was not welcome. Why would anyplace ban someone from playing a -EV game?

[sharpcat]

I think he had been banned there previously?

She was playing a -EV game and you really have nothing more than a suspicion that it was Cory controlling the account.

Unless you are suggesting that Cory is able to cheat the game (which would mean an apology to EZstreet is deserved) the book needs to pay the player and close the account.

[Justin7]

She was playing a -EV game and you really have nothing more than a suspicion that it was Cory controlling the account.

Unless you are suggesting that Cory is able to cheat the game (which would mean an apology to EZstreet is deserved) the book needs to pay the player and close the account.

Heritage believes that Cory is able to beat the game. Heritage stated that Cory had beaten eight other sportsbook/casinos in Jacks or Better also. It doesn't really matter if Cory can or cannot beat JOB. The only relevant factor is that Heritage did not want Cory's casino action, and his account was banned.

[SBR_John]

She was playing a -EV game and you really have nothing more than a suspicion that it was Cory controlling the account.

Unless you are suggesting that Cory is able to cheat the game (which would mean an apology to EZstreet is deserved) the book needs to pay the player and close the account.

Check back after you have finished reading the report and conclusion. If after you have all the information and you still think all there is is no more than "suspicion", let me know. Definitely would want you on my jury if I ever go to trial.

[sharpcat]

Heritage believes that Cory is able to beat the game. Heritage stated that Cory had beaten eight other sportsbook/casinos in Jacks or Better also. It doesn't really matter if Cory can or cannot beat JOB. The only relevant factor is that Heritage did not want Cory's casino action, and his account was banned.

So you owe EZstreet an apology?

[mighty maron]

She was playing a -EV game and you really have nothing more than a suspicion that it was Cory controlling the account.

Unless you are suggesting that Cory is able to cheat the game (which would mean an apology to EZstreet is deserved) the book needs to pay the player and close the account.

if the book can reasonably prove it was Cory and they had booted him before...does he get his money back in your mind...regardless of -EV game they said he was not welcome and he chose to try again

[durito]

Why is that theft BigDaddy? If you get caught multi accounting a good book should refund your deposits and boot you making it as if the account you fraudulently opened never existed at all. That's what's happening here.

A shithouse book will keep your deposits and boot you. That is theft.

money was at risk. good books would have a) shut it down way earlier or b) pay out this would be the action at pin/greek

[ArunSh]

Just a question - how can a player beat JOB when it has a less than 100% payout? I don't get it.

[sharpcat]

Check back after you have finished reading the report and conclusion. If after you have all the information and you still think all there is is no more than "suspicion", let me know. Definitely would want you on my jury if I ever go to trial.

What state do you want me to reside in? Give me 5 seconds and I will go from California to Boston.

Outside of IP addresses (which can easily be changed) you have nothing more than suspicion.

[mighty maron]

Heritage believes that Cory is able to beat the game. Heritage stated that Cory had beaten eight other sportsbook/casinos in Jacks or Better also. It doesn't really matter if Cory can or cannot beat JOB. The only relevant factor is that Heritage did not want Cory's casino action, and his account was banned.

This is by no means disrespectful...if the paytable is -EV how is he able to beat the game? If he is accused of hacking the program then this is different but if he just beat a -EV paytable (with optimum play) how do they believe he can beat it without altering the program...

[sharpcat]

if the book can reasonably prove it was Cory and they had booted him before...does he get his money back in your mind...regardless of -EV game they said he was not welcome and he chose to try again

If the book can prove it was Cory than sure they have that right.

Proving that it was Cory who controlled the account is more complicated than getting Cory to go to Costa Rica to demonstrate his JoB skills

[cloverfield]

What state do you want me to reside in? Give me 5 seconds and I will go from California to Boston.

Outside of IP addresses (which can easily be changed) you have nothing more than suspicion.

Hang on

My 64 year old mother is going to login to a site called "HeritageSports.eu"
She is also going to deposit $30K to an online site which is not exactly easy to move money into given todays climate.
She is going to join a sportsbook simply to use their casino...not even wager on sports.
She is also going to hide her IP address because of course she is VERY VERY hip on online technology.
and then she is going to lie about it many many times and continually change her story...

and the kicker is....my mom just HAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPENS to be related to someone who was banned before..
I'd love to hear how many posters moms have wagered online..and how many of their moms use a VPN.
You're right..after thinking more about it the above makes a lot of sense.. I think you have swayed me

[Squared Box]

Is SBR now taking the position that sports books can confiscate all winnings from accounts that might be beards?

[HedgeHog]

Is SBR now taking the position that sports books can confiscate all winnings from accounts that might be beards?

No, just sponsor Books.

[cloverfield]

Is SBR now taking the position that sports books can confiscate all winnings from accounts that might be beards?

Did you miss the part that SBR concluded that all deposited funds (minus transaction fees back to her) should be returned?

If someone that is banned wins on a beard account after a review, all winnings SHOULD be confiscated if it's right in the rules of the Sportsbook.

[sharpcat]

Hang on

My 64 year old mother is going to login to a site called "HeritageSports.eu"
She is also going to deposit $30K to an online site which is not exactly easy to move money into given todays climate.
She is going to join a sportsbook simply to use their casino...not even wager on sports.
She is also going to hide her IP address because of course she is VERY VERY hip on online technology.
and then she is going to lie about it many many times and continually change her story...

and the kicker is....my mom just HAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPENS to be related to someone who was banned before..
I'd love to hear how many posters moms have wagered online..and how many of their moms use a VPN.
You're right..after thinking more about it the above makes a lot of sense.. I think you have swayed me

She played a -EV game!!!!

House had an advantage the whole time she was playing whether it was Cory, Justin7, Doyle Brunson, or Billy Walters............The house had an advantage the whole time the player was playing.

[cloverfield]

She played a -EV game!!!!

House had an advantage the whole time she was playing whether it was Cory, Justin7, Doyle Brunson, or Billy Walters............The house had an advantage the whole time the player was playing.

You ignore every pertinent fact. You're trolling.

[sharpcat]

You ignore every pertinent fact. You're trolling.

Such as the book free rolling this player?

[Brick]

Hang on

My 64 year old mother is going to login to a site called "HeritageSports.eu"
She is also going to deposit $30K to an online site which is not exactly easy to move money into given todays climate.
She is going to join a sportsbook simply to use their casino...not even wager on sports.
She is also going to hide her IP address because of course she is VERY VERY hip on online technology.
and then she is going to lie about it many many times and continually change her story...

and the kicker is....my mom just HAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPENS to be related to someone who was banned before..
I'd love to hear how many posters moms have wagered online..and how many of their moms use a VPN.
You're right..after thinking more about it the above makes a lot of sense.. I think you have swayed me

Yeah, was also wondering who has ever seen a 60 year old lady playing slot games instead of betting on sports....that is unheard of.

[bobbywaves]

No, just sponsor Books.

Gt Bets is not a sponsored book, SBR had no problem with GT stealing 3k from me.

[antifoil]

I find the final recommendation to be unusual. If Heritage and SBR agree on this resolution then fine. But it shouldn't set future precedent. Most, if not all, books are not going to agree with this final resolution given a similar set of circumstances.

As far as the argument..'weell they took his deposits'. That argument falls short because the book only accepted his deposit under false pretense. In my opinion they are not bound to honor the 'accept a bet, pay it'. The book should only return the last deposit imo.

yes, since the deposits were all under false pretenses, no contract could have been formed between both parties. therefore, if no contract exist. the offer made by cory and the acceptance made by the book are invalid. the entire point in contract law is to find a equitable solution and not give one party a windfall. so giving the book 30,000 is not the correct resolution. in addition, punitive damages are not awarded in contract disputes.

[patswin]

i'd like to know what the pattern was that cory was using that got him banned?
must have figured out the code or something in the casino

[chilidog]

I find it laughable that some books have zero issues taking on losing players, but also have zero issues with not taking winner's action.

The term 'recreational book' is simply deplorable, and I feel sorry for anybody that has to play at such a book.

[xstud]

The most important lesson everyone should learn after this is the fact that sportsbooks only have the casino as a way to bring in money 24/7. The casino is not meant to pay out big winners and even at a top rated book it will likely mean the death of your account. The books will happily take on anyone willing to bring 500 or 1000 into the casino because they know they will likely win 80% of that.

[jizay]

Why would a player be banned from a quality site for winning at a -EV game? HI said he hit two royals and told he was not welcome. Why would anyplace ban someone from playing a -EV game?

Because the guy obviously has an edge. Why can't people figure that out? I don't know what he's doing, but no casinos want his business and casino is like a license to print money.

[Kaabee]

if the game is beatable/flawed, then why the fukk is it still up and running?

[jizay]

Yeah, was also wondering who has ever seen a 60 year old lady playing slot games instead of betting on sports....that is unheard of.

She didn't play a slot game, she signed up at an online sportsbook moving 30k there. Just conveniently ignore the rest of the stuff that you nor anyone else in this thread could reasonably answer. You dicksuckers that back the player no matter how much of a cheat he is would ruin the entire industry for the rest of us.

[jizay]

if the game is beatable/flawed, then why the fukk is it still up and running?

For many years, blackjack was beatable/flawed for the few that had the skills to do it. Why was Vegas offering it?

[Kaabee]

For many years, blackjack was beatable/flawed for the few that had the skills to do it. Why was Vegas offering it?

lol, do you really think they would leave the game up if there was a way to exploit it and make it hit royals?