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01-25-13 05:49 PM #106
Last edited by Vaughany; 01-25-13 at 05:54 PM.
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01-25-13 05:49 PM #107
When did MMath become good analysis? You basically used pure stats, gtfo.
Originally Posted by GunShard
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01-25-13 05:50 PM #108
Originally Posted by GunShard
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01-25-13 05:51 PM #109
lol at least "Adam Bowden" made an appearance in tht thread! Was just full of cerebral talent Originally Posted by JamesKim
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01-25-13 05:52 PM #110
Any line on barao vs mini Hughes yet?
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01-25-13 05:53 PM #111
nahh
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01-25-13 05:55 PM #112
Do you really think Hatton's former boxing trainer doesn't know how to train Rampage to destroy someone like Glover? Even without him Glover was going to get derailed, this is going to be some seriously easy gameplanning for Rampage if Glover comes in to strike.
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01-25-13 05:58 PM #113
Al Bello/Zuffa LLC/Getty ImagesQuinton Jackson didn't renew his contract with UFC, but that doesn't mean he's retiring from MMA.
Quinton "Rampage" Jackson will step into the Octagon on Jan. 26 to face off against Glover Teixeira. It is a clash that pits two of the division’s heaviest punchers in what promises to be a barn burner of a fight and, for Jackson, an opportunity to end his contract with the UFC by beating one of the most highly touted light heavyweights since Jon Jones.
Some may see this as an opportunity for Teixeira to make his name and "retire" Jackson from MMA. But Jackson, the former Pride and UFC champion, has other ideas. He is far from retiring as a fighter and has plans that could see him becoming an even bigger draw both in the sport and the mainstream media. After Jackson made changes to his camp, specifically a new nutritionist, and spent time at the new Wolfslair facility in Wigan, England, his trainers are excited by his current form. Manager Anthony McGann was also vocal about any ideas that Quinton is merely seeing out his contract.
“Quinton is looking like the old Rampage in the gym. Believe me, he is already ahead of the curve in training and is going to be 100 percent for the fight,” said McGann.
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Jackson is as focused as ever on the upcoming bout with Teixeira, leaving all the distractions of home behind to train with head Muay Thai coach Dave Jackson, Bobby Rimmer (Ricky Hatton’s former boxing trainer) and grappling coach Tom Blackledge.
“I’m with Soulmatefood now and they are planning all my nutrition really well. I was withMike Dolce for a while but I just got tired of him experimenting on me,” Jackson says. “I used to have to cut a lot of weight with that guy. He would give me a lot of bread and Nutella sandwiches. At the time I was loving it, but then I had to pay for it when I had to cut all the weight.”
That, along with a bad knee injury, meant that Jackson's last outing was not the performance he wanted to give his Japanese fans as he dropped a defeat to Ryan Bader. “I got no respect for Bader. I don’t understand guys that just want to hold you down. It’s MMA; I got no problem with takedowns and wrestling, but just holding a guy down ain’t my style.”
That loss to Bader, and the way Jackson felt he was treated afterward, is a major reason why the fighter decided to not renew his contract with the UFC.
“There’re a lot of reasons I’m leaving the UFC, but the straw that broke the camel’s back was that they knew I was injured before the Bader fight. The card wasn’t strong enough for the fans. I didn’t feel I could pull out of the fight because it was in Japan and that’s where I came from. The UFC had all the old Pride fighters busy,” explains Rampage. “They knew they [were] going to Japan but they had Dan Henderson, Shogun [Mauricio Rua], all the guys fighting before. Then they tried not to put me on the card and go to Chicago on a Fox card, and I just couldn’t understand why they wouldn’t use the Pride guys.”
Though Rampage took the responsibility to fight with his injury, he said it was Dana White’s reaction to his loss that pushed Jackson to make his decision to leave.
“Dana said [publicly] my head wasn’t into the fight and he talked some s--- about me even though he knew I had the injury. They’d helped me with the injury. That was the last straw for me.”
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Susumu Nagao for ESPN.comQuinton Jackson said he was injured when he fought Ryan Bader in Japan last year.
While "Rampage" Jackson has clearly fallen out of love with the UFC, his MMA career is far from over.
“I’m training better than ever now my knee is fixed. I was fighting with a bum knee for 12 years and it finally gave out on me before the Bader fight. Now I’m getting better, I’m getting faster. I’ve got a good team around me and I’m more positive now so I know this is the next chapter for me. I’m training harder than I have in a long time and I know I’m gonna destroy this guy,” Jackson states calmly. “These next fights are about my legacy. I wanna go out there and destroy some people in MMA and move on and start making movies and TV shows and video games.”
Rampage, then, clearly has a focused plan beyond the UFC and is showing no signs of slowing down. “I got at least 10 more fights in me and I want those fights to be my legacy, but I want to do that in a positive organization.”
However, before any of that, he must first take on Glover Teixeira and show the fans and his detractors that Rampage remains a dangerous threat in the cage. Many are questioning Quinton, citing the fact that he has lost his last two bouts. But, one was a Fight of the Night loss to the champion Jones, while the other saw Jackson injured yet determined to give the Japanese fans a show.
“I’ll fight anybody to get this last fight out of the way. I can’t wait to leave the UFC and have nothing to do with them anymore,” reveals Jackson. “I don’t see Glover as a huge threat or that his skills are so good. He’s pretty tough. I mean, anything can happen in the cage. MMA is unpredictable. My job is to fight and I take chances all the time.”
But Rampage and his team are obviously doing their homework, looking at Glover’s skills and examining key areas. “I am sure he is going to try to take me down. He’s talked all this smack about how he is gonna stand with me, but he’s gonna do what everyone else tries to do and take me down.”
In truth, Jackson doesn’t care what Teixeira is going to try to do.
“I’m going out there to destroy him, and then I’m done with the UFC and I can move on.” In what should be an explosive last Octagon outing for Quinton Jackson -- win, lose or draw -- Rampage is eager to get the job done and look to the future.
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01-25-13 06:05 PM #114
i can see Rampages point about leaving. That was bush league what Dana pulled after the Japan fight when in fact he knew Rampage had an injury. I heard Dana say the other day that Rampage made like 15 million from 2007. So this talk about money is bogus with Rampage but the guy is sensitive and we all know Dana has a big mouth from time to time. Originally Posted by Vaughany
Al Bello/Zuffa LLC/Getty ImagesQuinton Jackson didn't renew his contract with UFC, but that doesn't mean he's retiring from MMA.
Quinton "Rampage" Jackson will step into the Octagon on Jan. 26 to face off against Glover Teixeira. It is a clash that pits two of the division’s heaviest punchers in what promises to be a barn burner of a fight and, for Jackson, an opportunity to end his contract with the UFC by beating one of the most highly touted light heavyweights since Jon Jones.
Some may see this as an opportunity for Teixeira to make his name and "retire" Jackson from MMA. But Jackson, the former Pride and UFC champion, has other ideas. He is far from retiring as a fighter and has plans that could see him becoming an even bigger draw both in the sport and the mainstream media. After Jackson made changes to his camp, specifically a new nutritionist, and spent time at the new Wolfslair facility in Wigan, England, his trainers are excited by his current form. Manager Anthony McGann was also vocal about any ideas that Quinton is merely seeing out his contract.
“Quinton is looking like the old Rampage in the gym. Believe me, he is already ahead of the curve in training and is going to be 100 percent for the fight,” said McGann.
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Jackson is as focused as ever on the upcoming bout with Teixeira, leaving all the distractions of home behind to train with head Muay Thai coach Dave Jackson, Bobby Rimmer (Ricky Hatton’s former boxing trainer) and grappling coach Tom Blackledge.
“I’m with Soulmatefood now and they are planning all my nutrition really well. I was withMike Dolce for a while but I just got tired of him experimenting on me,” Jackson says. “I used to have to cut a lot of weight with that guy. He would give me a lot of bread and Nutella sandwiches. At the time I was loving it, but then I had to pay for it when I had to cut all the weight.”
That, along with a bad knee injury, meant that Jackson's last outing was not the performance he wanted to give his Japanese fans as he dropped a defeat to Ryan Bader. “I got no respect for Bader. I don’t understand guys that just want to hold you down. It’s MMA; I got no problem with takedowns and wrestling, but just holding a guy down ain’t my style.”
That loss to Bader, and the way Jackson felt he was treated afterward, is a major reason why the fighter decided to not renew his contract with the UFC.
“There’re a lot of reasons I’m leaving the UFC, but the straw that broke the camel’s back was that they knew I was injured before the Bader fight. The card wasn’t strong enough for the fans. I didn’t feel I could pull out of the fight because it was in Japan and that’s where I came from. The UFC had all the old Pride fighters busy,” explains Rampage. “They knew they [were] going to Japan but they had Dan Henderson, Shogun [Mauricio Rua], all the guys fighting before. Then they tried not to put me on the card and go to Chicago on a Fox card, and I just couldn’t understand why they wouldn’t use the Pride guys.”
Though Rampage took the responsibility to fight with his injury, he said it was Dana White’s reaction to his loss that pushed Jackson to make his decision to leave.
“Dana said [publicly] my head wasn’t into the fight and he talked some s--- about me even though he knew I had the injury. They’d helped me with the injury. That was the last straw for me.”
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Susumu Nagao for ESPN.comQuinton Jackson said he was injured when he fought Ryan Bader in Japan last year.
While "Rampage" Jackson has clearly fallen out of love with the UFC, his MMA career is far from over.
“I’m training better than ever now my knee is fixed. I was fighting with a bum knee for 12 years and it finally gave out on me before the Bader fight. Now I’m getting better, I’m getting faster. I’ve got a good team around me and I’m more positive now so I know this is the next chapter for me. I’m training harder than I have in a long time and I know I’m gonna destroy this guy,” Jackson states calmly. “These next fights are about my legacy. I wanna go out there and destroy some people in MMA and move on and start making movies and TV shows and video games.”
Rampage, then, clearly has a focused plan beyond the UFC and is showing no signs of slowing down. “I got at least 10 more fights in me and I want those fights to be my legacy, but I want to do that in a positive organization.”
However, before any of that, he must first take on Glover Teixeira and show the fans and his detractors that Rampage remains a dangerous threat in the cage. Many are questioning Quinton, citing the fact that he has lost his last two bouts. But, one was a Fight of the Night loss to the champion Jones, while the other saw Jackson injured yet determined to give the Japanese fans a show.
“I’ll fight anybody to get this last fight out of the way. I can’t wait to leave the UFC and have nothing to do with them anymore,” reveals Jackson. “I don’t see Glover as a huge threat or that his skills are so good. He’s pretty tough. I mean, anything can happen in the cage. MMA is unpredictable. My job is to fight and I take chances all the time.”
But Rampage and his team are obviously doing their homework, looking at Glover’s skills and examining key areas. “I am sure he is going to try to take me down. He’s talked all this smack about how he is gonna stand with me, but he’s gonna do what everyone else tries to do and take me down.”
In truth, Jackson doesn’t care what Teixeira is going to try to do.
“I’m going out there to destroy him, and then I’m done with the UFC and I can move on.” In what should be an explosive last Octagon outing for Quinton Jackson -- win, lose or draw -- Rampage is eager to get the job done and look to the future.
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01-25-13 06:08 PM #115
What is Hattons trainer gonna teach Rampage? How to hold Glover for three rounds? Hatton to me was one of the most sickening fighters i ever watched. Him and John Ruiz would have been a nice fight if they were the same weight. They would prolly make love during the fight the way those two fukers held.
Last edited by Thor4140; 01-25-13 at 06:16 PM.
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01-25-13 06:10 PM #116
nrraahhhhh
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01-25-13 06:15 PM #117
Odds got a little better now with my book. Wish i could bet Rampage by knockout cause i think in order for Rampage to win a decision he might have to kill Glover for the three rounds and then im not sure they will give it to Rampage even then.
1/25/2013 7:10 PM Money Line 200.00 540.00 Other Sports - 24205 Q Jackson +270 for Game
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01-25-13 06:18 PM #118
Glover's head is up in the air when he throws, he doesn't know how to set up combos properly. The reason why he looks like he has good range is because he bumrushes you and sticks to you close when he throws, there's a difference between knowing your range and just staying in someone's pocket. I think anyone with an authoritive jab and good footwork would give Glover a serious run for his money, and I strongly think that Brawling style of his is going to get destroyed by Rampage. Originally Posted by Thor4140
Back when I was boxing competitively, if I was Glover's size, I would take him to a boxing clinic in a boxing match. Not because I'm a sick boxer, I wasn't able to do very well internationally, but because Glover's boxing isn't good. Good boxer with an authoritive jab, solid defense +head movement, and good footwork would take Glover for a ride in boxing.
I know that's not how Rampage fights, but I honestly truly believe Rampage's style is designed to destroy brawlers like Glover. Rampage has good defense, his hands are high and he knows how to block. He has good head movement and his counter striking isn't all that bad. He has a great chin and has power, regardless of what people here seem to think. Rampage's weakness is footwork and combinations. Unfortuntely good footwork and good combos go hand in hand.Last edited by JamesKim; 01-25-13 at 06:21 PM.
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01-25-13 06:45 PM #119
First MD declares that Glover's striking is mediocre at best; which would imply that on most occasions Glover is worse than mediocre.
Then James Kim manages to one up him! Now james kim could out box Glover! Hell he would run a clinic on this less than mediocre Glover! this is some great stuff guys
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01-25-13 06:52 PM #120
So you don't actually have any counter analysis to mine? Go read more of your MMA articles written by a bunch of amateurs who've never even stepped foot into a ring or octagon, and continue to act like a retard with a degree in MMath. Originally Posted by Hannibal
Yes, I would beat Glover's ass in a boxing match back when I was boxing, if I was the same size as he was. I don't think you realize what a massive difference between someone who trains in a single discipline everyday against someone who has to do a little bit of everything. Junior is one of the better boxers in MMA, completely on a different level to Glover, and he got outclassed and embarassed by a amateur boxing middleweight (165 lbs), even though Junior was much taller and outweighed him by nearly 80 lbs. I may not have been a high level boxer, but I was good enough to win several regional titles, a national championship and compete overseas. I don't give a shit if you believe me or not, it doesn't interest me. All I know is I believe what I see and what I see in Glover is a bad technical fighter who is aggressive and has a lot of power.
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01-26-13 01:51 AM #121
I thought it was funny in the weigh-in, that Uncle Chael talked about Rampage being dangerous and all that other stuff. I wonder how much pep talk it took for him to say anything polite about Rampage
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01-26-13 02:01 AM #122
It's interesting to finally see rampage in a fight with a guy who will stand with him. Its easy to take him down and grind out the decision and that's been happening a lot to rampage recently. It's still a toss up to me on how this one will go. I think Glover has the better overall striking but Rampage does have more power. Either way I'm probably going to throw a little bit on rampage to win by ko/tko at +590. Cheer for rampage one last time
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01-26-13 05:28 AM #123
Glover won't stand with him, he wouldn't even stand with Maldanado or Kingsbury. Originally Posted by Majoravsfan
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01-26-13 04:02 PM #124
You made a strawman arguement. I used both stats and fight footage. I didn't use stats only. Certain stats can give you an idea how a fighter performs. My capping is based mostly on fight footage. Originally Posted by JamesKim
And I never once disagreed with your analyst on this fight. Gtfo.
We are gamblers, its all about winning.
If you are capping a Boxing match, I would follow your predictions since you have personal experience with boxing.
This is MMA, make sure you discuss about takedowns and grapling as well.Last edited by GunShard; 01-26-13 at 04:39 PM.
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01-26-13 04:04 PM #125
It's a few hours away and perhaps one gets to eat crow afterwards, but I don't honestly see Glover taking Rampage down. At least not without clobbering him beforehand Originally Posted by JKD
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01-26-13 04:06 PM #126
I prefer the term "critical thinking or rational thinking" than the term "cerebral discussion". Originally Posted by Vaughany
I was the only one that used critical thinking in that thread.
Adam Bowden was retarded like Luca Fury.
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01-26-13 04:12 PM #127
lol at bowdens swag Originally Posted by Vaughany
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01-26-13 04:13 PM #128
This is what I feel like saying to most peoples analysis here on sbr Originally Posted by Vaughany
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01-26-13 08:23 PM #129
Rampage looked like shit. Terrible cardio, somehow his TDD went to garbage and he didn't fire back after avoiding strikes. Come at me.
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01-26-13 08:24 PM #130
Glover defeats Rampage.
Notice how you only discussed about striking offense and striking defense?
On my thread below, I discuss about striking offense, striking defense, takedown offense, takedown defense, cardio and watch fight footage.
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/boxing-mma...jah-faber.html
Talk about every factor in a MMA fight. The best way to cap a fight in my opinion.Last edited by GunShard; 01-26-13 at 08:28 PM.
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01-26-13 08:24 PM #131
Well rampage got worked but at least he was a technically superior striker. James kim..you can still take solace in the fact that you're a better boxer than Glover
MD wow you're a real sharp with an eye for striking! look how rampage was such a great striker compared to his opponent. John Hackleman doesnt know shit compared to you buddy you could obviously see that Glover doesnt know anything about boxing
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01-26-13 08:25 PM #132
he will do better in boxing than MMA at this point. Originally Posted by JamesKim
He can fight cans.
He is past his prime in MMA and that poor tdd against a gassed Glover proves it.
Best of luck in your future plays
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01-26-13 08:26 PM #133
Good call...this thread won me some serious $$$...always fade the confident bettor
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01-26-13 08:34 PM #134
I won't make anymore threads like this, would you do me a kindness and delete this thread Vaughnny?
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01-26-13 08:39 PM #135
Originally Posted by JamesKim
oh man we've all been there...relax man...live and learn...just bet it all on aldo overeem and rashad like me
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01-26-13 09:02 PM #136
Just don't insult other gamblers before you prove them wrong. Originally Posted by JamesKim
There's always risk when gambling.
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01-26-13 09:17 PM #137
When you come in trying to insult me, how do you think I respond? Don't get on the high road. Originally Posted by GunShard
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01-26-13 09:18 PM #138
Keep making these threads so i could auto fade your ass
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01-26-13 09:20 PM #139
Should've made one for Belfort and Okami (both of them which I was huge on) so you could've faded them. Fook off. Originally Posted by Imsmarterthanu
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01-26-13 09:21 PM #140
I also said that Rampage's conditioning and motivation were major question marks, which is why I made a moderate wager instead of a larger one. It's what we call "risk aversion". Originally Posted by Hannibal
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