[jphil]

probably because it's the principle of the thing, my friend.

[G's pks]

no s hit man I said this stuff back when other stuff kept clogging up the thread from the get go.....besides G do u even actually play JM's system plays? just wondering if u dont why do u care what goes on in this thread?

Lets see...I am a system player that observes how other systems do...think about it...no I do not play it...but did follow some of his basketball picks a few years ago...he did very well...

[hagball52]

Sitting on the tarmac waiting to take off. Can't wait till this one's over.

[NZT-48]

Lets see...I am a system player that observes how other systems do...think about it...no I do not play it...but did follow some of his basketball picks a few years ago...he did very well...

kind of figured that was the case basically by the way u post stuff and the fact I dont know or dont care for that matter what the heck u do or system u have

it seems it gets ragged on a lot by others in this forum for the past 3 mos for whatever reason bro b/c theres been too much drama by that all stuff about u bashing others and that atari goofball and u constantly posting in bold and so on.....

if u follow what JM does u either play it by now or know that it works otherwise your just being a prick by asking questions u really dont care about or really dont wanna know about as well

and thats not directly directed u its towards everybody on this board who posted anything unrelated to JM like that POS of a system of wallco like really? I like post #8117 thats funny as crap and so true I like that guy just stepping up into this thread and stating the fking facts awesome

if this freaking site had more comments like that most of u fools would get bored and move on and unclog this b itch thank you lol

[Andy3568]

Hagball,
Min won the C Bet and was, according to the written word of the system, an official bet due to the RPI differential of .015 (on the limit). This makes the official record, according to your stats, as 30-1.

I want to discuss the single loss you have recorded: NYY v Bos. Strictly speaking, that series was not official because Bos held the 2nd highest RPI in the league at that time.

JM tends to send out e-mails that do not comply with his written PDFs, so I don't act on his e-mails. Although I add a buffer of .005 to the .015 RPI, the fact remains that the system, according to the PDF, has been 100% this season: 31-0

Thoughts?

Kev

If you're going to follow the PDF's to the letter, you also have to include the injury filters. There are a lot of games that were eliminated due to injuries, but no one pays any attention to those.

[G's pks]

nzt-48...you read my response and jphil's and seem to understand...than your answer back makes no sense! Forget about it...

[Wallco99]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$
2011 System to date: 243-22 (v2:60-6)
System profit/loss: -23.54 units(finished series)
Since my first post: -43.81 units (228-22) (fin. series)
Current open series: 3 (-11.00 units)

(8/31/11):
#260 Atlanta (-1½) v2 (C) - Win
#264 Detroit (-1½) v2 (C) - Loss
#266 Milwaukee (-1½) v2 (B) - Loss
#267 Chicago White Sox (-1½) v2 (A) - Loss
#268 Arizona (-1½) v2 (A) - Win


(A) 129-139
(B) 66-72
(C) 31-40
(D) 17-22

Games for (9/1/11):
#264 Kansas City @ Detroit (-1½) v2 (D) *Official* (1:05 pm EDT)
#266 St Louis @ Milwaukee (-1½) v2 (C) *Official* (4:10 pm EDT)
#267 Resumes on 9/2/11
#270 L.A. Dodgers (M/L) @ Pittsburgh (A) *Official* (4:05 pm EDT)
#271 Oakland @ Cleveland (M/L) v2 (A) *Official* (12:05 pm EDT)
#274 Philadelphia (-1½) @ Cincinnati v2 (A) *Official* (1:05 pm EDT)


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”. If your book is offering (+1½) on the (-1½) plays above, buy the alternate line for (-1½) on the team I have listed at (-1½), not the other team. NEVER PLAY (+1½) LINE ON ANY GAME IN THIS SYSTEM.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

The v1 plays may change to the other team by game time. The v2 plays will not change teams, but may change (M/L) or (R/L), the team will usually remain the same. Once Official, nothing will change. We have to be careful when playing a game that qualifies for both v1 and v2, because if a team should switch, we may be playing both sides later in the series, or we could even start out on both sides. The system will count all games as wins/losses, how you play them is your discretion. If not otherwise marked, the play will be v1.

[G's pks]

Wallco long time viewer and thank god I just play john morrison because you are really bad, in fact sir you suck!

Hey Kenny thought you were not posting here anymore...but thanks for the nice comments in my thread...

Yes...I agree with what you said...it would not even float unless he pinned it to the JM thread...also remember this the other day he was showing around 80 units down with finished series and "open" series which in real time are lost units...

So I an guessing he is no longer betting the plays.....someone asked him a page or two back...he just ignored them... like when several told him they lost their entire bankrolls following him this summer...

My guess if you are down 80 units and show 30-50 units in bets in a day... he is just running out the system...As the units mount it becomes beyond realistic and of course increased plays to try to show the system can at least finish up...but in reality..anyone following would long ago been wiped out and several limits would have been crossed...

Take care buddy...e-mail sent out...

[Wallco99]

Hey Kenny thought you were not posting here anymore...but thanks for the nice comments in my thread...

Yes...I agree with what you said...it would not even float unless he pinned it to the JM thread...also remember this the other day he was showing around 80 units down with finished series and "open" series which in real time are lost units...

So I an guessing he is no longer betting the plays.....someone asked him a page or two back...he just ignored them... like when several told him they lost their entire bankrolls following him this summer...

My guess if you are down 80 units and show 30-50 units in bets in a day... he is just running out the system...As the units mount it becomes beyond realistic and of course increased plays to try to show the system can at least finish up...but in reality..anyone following would long ago been wiped out and several limits would have been crossed...

Take care buddy...e-mail sent out...

Wrong on all points! It wasn't several people, it was the same guy that asked this stupid question, who also said he was wiped out by improper management and he like you, has been nothing but a jackass in this thread, with his trolling posts. In fact, he never lost anything in this system because he was opposed to it from the start. Yes I play it, I know what it can do, and has done. Plus, your math is lousy and these are all ignorant opinions completely void of fact. Anybody's bankroll should be divided so there are at least 100 units at start. Never play a chase system for units greater than 1% of your bankroll. So if played right, 50 units should never wipe out anyone, even 80 as you referred to. When I explained this system at the beginning, stating the potential for huge profits, but also the possibilty of a repeat of 2006, proper money management would have been to go even one step further, and possibly divide the bankroll into 200 units, thus .5 units per wager until system proved itself, especially since we missed the first 20 wins. I was up front about everything, and everyone except you and the other troll just don't get that. But you don't play it anyway, so you can keep your opinions.

[G's pks]

great excuses...later...or maybe divide into 6 million units...

Wrong on all points! It wasn't several people, it was the same guy that asked this stupid question, who also said he was wiped out by improper management and he like you, has been nothing but a jackass in this thread, with his trolling posts. In fact, he never lost anything in this system because he was opposed to it from the start. Yes I play it, I know what it can do, and has done. Plus, your math is lousy and these are all ignorant opinions completely void of fact. Anybody's bankroll should be divided so there are at least 100 units at start. Never play a chase system for units greater than 1% of your bankroll. So if played right, 50 units should never wipe out anyone, even 80 as you referred to. When I explained this system at the beginning, stating the potential for huge profits, but also the possibilty of a repeat of 2006, proper money management would have been to go even one step further, and possibly divide the bankroll into 200 units, thus .5 units per wager until system proved itself, especially since we missed the first 20 wins. I was up front about everything, and everyone except you and the other troll just don't get that. But you don't play it anyway, so you can keep your opinions.

[Andy3568]

Wallco, don't feed the trolls.

[dlunc3]

I'm still around, but haven't been betting last couple weeks. Way too busy at work... Is Attari's thread still around? I was scrolling for it, but didn't see it.

Someone link me?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sports-pro...y-day-p68.html


There ya go J.M.... enjoy the tout

[NZT-48]

nzt-48...you read my response and jphil's and seem to understand...than your answer back makes no sense! Forget about it...

yeah Im not concerned bro but I think my post is point well made for all involved a thread specific title like this one called John Morrison 2011 MLB shouldnt be bringing up other crap

still think post #8117 is still the best lol

[NZT-48]

great excuses...later...or maybe divide into 6 million units...

yeah I like said it never shouldnt even fking entered this thread read what I wrote in #8137 that pretty much sums it up and also my post #8128

[G's pks]

yeah I like said it never shouldnt even fking entered this thread read what I wrote in #8137 that pretty much sums it up and also my post #8128

yeah well he already has another "D" loss today so add another 20 units....

[NZT-48]

yeah well he already has another "D" loss today so add another 20 units....

yeah it might as well be a million units doesnt matter at this point these threads already have enough stupid people and postings like atari doing bs manuevers and so on as I already mentioned

[Glada Tartan]

Cant beleive Twins did win...

[NZT-48]

anyway back to the real stuff here anyone got JM official email today for plays? please post thanks -)


nevermind thought there were some plays today but they are tomm but someone post his email early thanks

[cleonhr]

John Morrisons WNBA:

Today:

Tulsa - Seattle (B) M/L

[delbiand]

Oak and Pit A ufficial bet today? The rpi is ok

[Kev the Brit]

Wrong on all points! It wasn't several people, it was the same guy that asked this stupid question, who also said he was wiped out by improper management and he like you, has been nothing but a jackass in this thread, with his trolling posts. In fact, he never lost anything in this system because he was opposed to it from the start. Yes I play it, I know what it can do, and has done. Plus, your math is lousy and these are all ignorant opinions completely void of fact. Anybody's bankroll should be divided so there are at least 100 units at start. Never play a chase system for units greater than 1% of your bankroll. So if played right, 50 units should never wipe out anyone, even 80 as you referred to. When I explained this system at the beginning, stating the potential for huge profits, but also the possibilty of a repeat of 2006, proper money management would have been to go even one step further, and possibly divide the bankroll into 200 units, thus .5 units per wager until system proved itself, especially since we missed the first 20 wins. I was up front about everything, and everyone except you and the other troll just don't get that. But you don't play it anyway, so you can keep your opinions.

When you have to play 3 D bets in addition to another 6 or so A to C bets on the same day, a 100 units BR aint enough to keep up. Your system might work out in the long term, but the working unit has to be significantly less than 1% of the BR that is commited to it. And, on top of that reserve, the bettor has to have another BR to service JM and other chase systems. Its all too much, unless the bettor wants to win pennies with $20 bills....

And this is where the MLB PLU$$$$ comes unstuck

[Wallco99]

When you have to play 3 D bets in addition to another 6 or so A to C bets on the same day, a 100 units BR aint enough to keep up. Your system might work out in the long term, but the working unit has to be significantly less than 1% of the BR that is commited to it. And, on top of that reserve, the bettor has to have another BR to service JM and other chase systems. Its all too much, unless the bettor wants to win pennies with $20 bills....

And this is where the MLB PLU$$$$ comes unstuck

I see your points, but don't say it is undoable, because I am doing it. I brought a 100 unit bankroll into MLB and playing three systems: MLB Plu$$$, JM and over/under system I came up with, all three systems being played at 1% units. MLB Plu$$$ is obviously having it's problems in 2011, but the other two are doing very well for me. I am currently at 78 units total for all three, down a total of 22, which isn't too bad, knowing how poorly my system has performed this year. At no time have I been down more than 50 units, and had I only played MLB Plu$$$ and not the other two, the worst I would have been down at any time would have been 76 units, that was including open series. Had I been in it from day 1, the numbers would have been better, and I would be sitting close to even right now. I am by no means saying this system is having a good year, that would be foolish. However, it also doesn't take $20 bets to win pennies to stay alive either, or prevent you from playing multiple systems with the same bankroll, unless of couse, several of the systems you are playing are having a down year at the same time. It has been stated several times in these threads that chase sytem units should never be more than 1% of a persons bankroll, that is all I was trying to say, and maybe a little less since the system was new, and even though the potential for big profits as in past years was present, so was the possibility of a repeat of the down year. I am not trying to twist anyone's arm to play. I promised I would post til the end and that is what I am doing. But don't say it is not possible to still be alive at this point in the season, when in reality it is, and I am. Thanks.

[h00dini]

John Morrisons WNBA:

Today:

Tulsa - Seattle (B) M/L

that would be sunday bro.

[G's pks]

Looks like wallco has turned on the JM thread members...and no update after several more losses? I am sure some of you JM guys wish this guy did not do this...next year you JM guys need to act like men and when someone with an experimental system pops in for attention tell him to beat it...

[h00dini]

I see your points, but don't say it is undoable, because I am doing it. I brought a 100 unit bankroll into MLB and playing three systems: MLB Plu$$$, JM and over/under system I came up with, all three systems being played at 1% units. MLB Plu$$$ is obviously having it's problems in 2011, but the other two are doing very well for me. I am currently at 78 units total for all three, down a total of 22, which isn't too bad, knowing how poorly my system has performed this year. At no time have I been down more than 50 units, and had I only played MLB Plu$$$ and not the other two, the worst I would have been down at any time would have been 76 units, that was including open series. Had I been in it from day 1, the numbers would have been better, and I would be sitting close to even right now. I am by no means saying this system is having a good year, that would be foolish. However, it also doesn't take $20 bets to win pennies to stay alive either, or prevent you from playing multiple systems with the same bankroll, unless of couse, several of the systems you are playing are having a down year at the same time. It has been stated several times in these threads that chase sytem units should never be more than 1% of a persons bankroll, that is all I was trying to say, and maybe a little less since the system was new, and even though the potential for big profits as in past years was present, so was the possibility of a repeat of the down year. I am not trying to twist anyone's arm to play. I promised I would post til the end and that is what I am doing. But don't say it is not possible to still be alive at this point in the season, when in reality it is, and I am. Thanks.

wallco..........just admit you f@#ked up and leave it at that. your allright for taking your time out to post the games, but your system sucks chinese balls.

[h00dini]

Looks like wallco has turned on the JM thread members...and no update after several more losses? I am sure some of you JM guys wish this guy did not do this...next year you JM guys need to act like men and when someone with an experimental system pops in for attention tell him to beat it...

i agree 100% G

[G's pks]

When you have to play 3 D bets in addition to another 6 or so A to C bets on the same day, a 100 units BR aint enough to keep up. Your system might work out in the long term, but the working unit has to be significantly less than 1% of the BR that is commited to it. And, on top of that reserve, the bettor has to have another BR to service JM and other chase systems. Its all too much, unless the bettor wants to win pennies with $20 bills....

And this is where the MLB PLU$$$$ comes unstuck

Of course the system did not work..even when he loaded the teams on...it got worse...why when you see a system cross betting telling you to bet both teams at once obviously something is wrong...he was trying to reduce units on one side...while keeping the other series "open" (still real time lost units) now down an unthinkable amount he continues to act like he should keep posting in the JM thread...

[G's pks]

wallco..........just admit you f@#ked up and leave it at that. your allright for taking your time out to post the games, but your system sucks chinese balls.

I would no longer call it a system once it fails...scrap and work on something else...and obviously no one really bought or ever even thought of buying this system from him....

[hagball52]

JM MLB System
2011 Official season series record 29-1 (v1)
(A) 16-14
(B) 10-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 9-5
V3 system 5-1
Unofficial series 35-1


*Unofficial*
(8/31/2011) Minnesota (.482) @ Chicago White Sox (.498) R/L (C) Win


Next Plays
*Unofficial*
(9/02/2011) Oakland (.491)v Seattle (.488) M/L (A) (3 gm set (C) if necc.)
(9/02/2011) Pittsburgh (.482)@ Chicago Cubs (.482) R/L (A) (3 gm set (C) if neec.)
(9/02/2011) Houston (.459) v Milwaukee (.517) R/L (A) (3 gm set (C) if necc.) poss. V3 play

Upcoming Plays
(9/05/2011) Cleveland v Detroit
(9/05/2011) Pittsburgh v Houston
(9/05/2011) Colorado v Arizona
(9/05/2011) Milwaukee @ St Louis
(9/08/2011) San Diego @ Arizona
(9/09/2011) Pittsburgh v Florida
(9/09/2011) Oakland @ Texas

Notes: It is September so now I'll mark everything unofficial even if the rpi is in range. Unless JM comes back and changes the rules again. If he sends out an email declaring the qualifying plays official we'll go ahead and score them that way. I've seen him do that in the past. A whole bunch of new plays came up over the past 2 days. Out of 7 possible sweeps there were 5 with 4 resulting in future plays. I already posted 3 of them above in the upcoming plays. They are:
PIT v HOU (9/05)
COL vARI (9/05)
MIL @ STL (9/05)
SDG v LAD (9/23)
GL all

[hagball52]

Got a lot of good looking series plays up there. Some money to be made.

[ken23lau]

Thanks for holding your promise give you to that

[Wallco99]

Fortunately, Kevin is smarter than you and realizes I am not "turning" on him in any way. I am just responding to a few comments he made, his opinion and mine. I realize everything to you Miss G has to be belligerent or with the purpose of starting arguements. But most of us can actually have a conversation in here without it being that way, it's a shame you can't. I respect Kevin and his opinions very much, I just happen to disagree with that particular one. So no, you will not get your way here, madam.

[bruloc]

JM MLB System
2011 Official season series record 29-1 (v1)
(A) 16-14
(B) 10-4
(C) 3-1
V2 plays 9-5
V3 system 5-1
Unofficial series 35-1


*Unofficial*
(8/31/2011) Minnesota (.482) @ Chicago White Sox (.498) R/L (C) Win


Next Plays
*Unofficial*
(9/02/2011) Oakland (.491)v Seattle (.488) M/L (A) (3 gm set (C) if necc.)
(9/02/2011) Pittsburgh (.482)@ Chicago Cubs (.482) R/L (A) (3 gm set (C) if neec.)
(9/02/2011) Houston (.459) v Milwaukee (.517) R/L (A) (3 gm set (C) if necc.) poss. V3 play

Upcoming Plays
(9/05/2011) Cleveland v Detroit
(9/05/2011) Pittsburgh v Houston
(9/05/2011) Colorado v Arizona
(9/05/2011) Milwaukee @ St Louis
(9/08/2011) San Diego @ Arizona
(9/09/2011) Pittsburgh v Florida
(9/09/2011) Oakland @ Texas

Notes: It is September so now I'll mark everything unofficial even if the rpi is in range. Unless JM comes back and changes the rules again. If he sends out an email declaring the qualifying plays official we'll go ahead and score them that way. I've seen him do that in the past. A whole bunch of new plays came up over the past 2 days. Out of 7 possible sweeps there were 5 with 4 resulting in future plays. I already posted 3 of them above in the upcoming plays. They are:
PIT v HOU (9/05)
COL vARI (9/05)
MIL @ STL (9/05)
SDG v LAD (9/23)
GL all

Did you place a bet on all 3 series? How many units?

[Wallco99]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$
2011 System to date: 245-23 (v2:60-7)
System profit/loss: -36.06 units(finished series)
Since my first post: -56.33 units (230-23) (fin. series)
Current open series: 3 (-9.00 units)

(9/1/11):
#264 Detroit (-1½) v2 (D) - Loss
#266 Milwaukee (-1½) v2 (C) - Loss
#270 L.A. Dodgers (M/L) (A) - Win
#271 Cleveland (M/L) v2 (A) - Loss
#274 Philadelphia (-1½) (A) - Win


(A) 131-140
(B) 66-72
(C) 31-41
(D) 17-23

Games for (9/2/11):
#266 Milwaukee (-1½) @ Houston v2 (D) *Official* (8:05 pm EDT)
#267 Chicago White Sox @ Detroit (-1½) v2 (B) *Official* (7:05 pm EDT)
#269 Arizona (M/L) @ San Francisco (A) *Official* (10:15 pm EDT)
#271 Seattle (M/L) @ Oakland v2 (B) *Official* (10:05 pm EDT)
#272 Colorado @ San Diego (M/L) (A) (10:05 pm EDT)
#273 Colorado @ San Diego (-1½) (A) (10:05 pm EDT)
#275 Cincinnati @ St. Louis (M/L) (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)
#276 Cincinnati @ St. Louis (-1½) (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)
#277 Milwaukee (M/L) @ Houston (A) *Official* (8:05 pm EDT)
#278 Milwaukee (-1½) @ Houston (A) *Official* (8:05 pm EDT)
#279 Philadelphia (-1½) @ Florida v2 (A) *Official* (7:10 pm EDT)
#280 Cincinnati (M/L) @ St. Louis (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)

In the Cincinnati/St. Louis series, the safe play may be to play St. Louis M/L on the (A) bet and skip the other two, picking up the loser on the (B) bet. If Cinn. wins, both St. Louis plays would be a (B) bet. If St. Louis wins by 2 or more, Cinn. would be a (B) bet. If St Louis wins by 1, we would skip the Cinn. M/L & St. Louis R/L (B) bets, and wait for (C). Any way you play these, the profits should be around the same if they all win, but less money on the table for the losses. All games count as system wins or losses, but this may be the lowest risk strategy.


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”. If your book is offering (+1½) on the (-1½) plays above, buy the alternate line for (-1½) on the team I have listed at (-1½), not the other team. NEVER PLAY (+1½) LINE ON ANY GAME IN THIS SYSTEM.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

The v1 plays may change to the other team by game time. The v2 plays will not change teams, but may change (M/L) or (R/L), the team will usually remain the same. Once Official, nothing will change. We have to be careful when playing a game that qualifies for both v1 and v2, because if a team should switch, we may be playing both sides later in the series, or we could even start out on both sides. The system will count all games as wins/losses, how you play them is your discretion. If not otherwise marked, the play will be v1.

[Bugs Bunny]

thanks hagball for the update!