[Ewan101]

My comments re: this thread

[1] It is obvious the OP **knows** there was a flaw in the slots(s) and that the OP exploited it. Note the OP's obfuscation when asked several times (in earlier posts) what his average/typical bet size was. He smoke-screened and refused to answer this because whilst the OP may not be the sharpest card in the deck, even he knows that it is mathematically impossible to rack up several 100K winnings on a slot with $5 bets (and he admits no jackpots hit). Eventually (after further pressing making it impossible to not answer without raising suspicion) the OP finally admits that his average/typical bet was $5. So initially we know that the OP **knew** he was exploiting a flaw and he tried to hide this from this forum. Note also that the OP has given up pretending that he did not know the slot was flawed (initially he denied it but then later makes statements such as "even if it was flawed, it is not my fault"). I refer the reader to several excellent posts (above) re: the maths and stats regarding this.

[2] The issue of whether or not a customer has the right to exploit a flaw and expect to get paid: If someone had come to this forum stating that they had bet a palpable error (i.e. a mistaken line or mistaken odds) and then expected to get paid I know exactly what this forum would say - "You are a chancer - we all play by the rules - you should not expect to get paid - go away". I have seen this many times before. No-one here who has any experience will support someone trying to cash in on bad lines / bad odds offered by a bookmaker.

[3] Exploiting a flawed slot is indistinguishable from betting a palpable error - in both cases the customer does not have a leg to stand on and we all know this

[4] The OP's strategy appears to be that for those posts he cannot refute (those based on maths and stats) he obfuscates. For those with even a glimmer of support he pretends that the post is fully supportive. The OP has only one objective which is to attempt to gain a further 210K after deliberately exploiting a flawed slot

[5] The OP pretends that the number of views of this thread is somehow related to "support" for him exploiting a flaw in a slot and expecting to get paid. In reality, readers of this forum are interested in seeing the results of a customer with a "claim" against a bookmaker for 6 figures and how the situation pans out - irrespective of what finally happens. This interest in no way equates to support - and based on the prior posts in this thread I would assess that readers are fully aware that exploitation of a flawed slot has occurred in this case and that support (if any) is related to a dislike of MB or bookmakers in general and is NOT related to the merits of this particular case (which clearly has no merit)

[6] Summary - the OP took advantage of a flawed slot. His obfuscation adds weight to the inescapable conclusion that the OP **knew** the slot was flawed. Betting a flawed slot is not distinguishable from betting a palpable error. There is no sympathy on this forum for those who bet obvious palps and then expect to get paid. The OP has remarkably been able to withdraw 84K - probably due to MB incompetence at not discovering the slot flaw sooner. The OP now wishes to attempt to gain a further 210k and expects this forum to support him. He expects support for betting a palp. This forum does not support those who bet a palp and expect to get paid. I doubt that MB will pay a dime more.

I have read through this thread very carefully and on balance it is very clear that this post is correct.

[ace7550]

The only person that doesn't understand how it works is you, apparently. We all know you can win $200,000 in slots. However, it's not possible to win almost $300,000 on $1-$3 avg bets with $2,000(roughly) being his largest slot hit.

If you can't see the obvious fact that something doesn't add up here, it's you that doesn't understand.

Don't waste your time Crusher. I've been trying to explain it.

[SportsBettor74]

Don't waste your time Crusher. I've been trying to explain it.

Sad but true. If the OP would admit that he knowingly exploited a flaw this would give some weight to his argument (if you review the OP's posts you will see that he tacitly admits there was a flaw by stating something along the lines of "even if it was flawed, it is not my fault")

The argument then shifts to: If one knowingly exploits a flaw, should they be paid? My post suggests "No - you should not be paid" and I use the example of palpable error to defend this stance. I have seen no valid counter- arguments from the OP (or elsewhere) to counter this.

[ace7550]

The argument then shifts to: If one knowingly exploits a flaw, should they be paid? My post suggests "No - you should not be paid" and I use the example of palpable error to defend this stance. I have seen no valid counter- arguments from the OP (or elsewhere) to counter this.

This is definitely the pertinent argument. I have mixed feelings about it. I think it can be legitimately argued either way.

[ace7550]

For a professional gambler to be successful don't they ultimately have to exploit the sportsbook?

[SportsBettor74]

This is definitely the pertinent argument. I have mixed feelings about it. I think it can be legitimately argued either way.

I agree that this could be argued either way.

However - although the OP has already tacitly admitted that this is the case (see above - he tacitly admits he knew the slot to be flawed) - he fails to situate his arguments on this ground. Rather - he resorts to ad hominem arguments and obfuscates by failing to address the arguments presented.

If I were the OP (losing traction and sympathy at this stage) I would say:

[1] I knowingly took advantage of a flaw in a slot that I had identified

[2] Using this flaw I managed to rack up 300k approx profits

[3] I managed to withdraw 82k before I was caught

[4] The reasons why I should be paid the rest are X, Y and Z

The problem with the OP's entire submission is that he fails to explicitly admit [1] above and he fails to elaborate on [4] above.

Everything else the OP says is just noise (including accusing us of working for MB).

If I were in the OP's shoes I would address [1] and [4] above - but the OP (not being the sharpest card in the deck) does not seem to understand the ground upon which his 210K battle is to be fought :-)

[ace7550]

I agree that this could be argued either way.

However - although the OP has already tacitly admitted that this is the case (see above - he tacitly admits he knew the slot to be flawed) - he fails to situate his arguments on this ground. Rather - he resorts to ad hominem arguments and obfuscates by failing to address the arguments presented.

If I were the OP (losing traction and sympathy at this stage) I would say:

[1] I knowingly took advantage of a flaw in a slot that I had identified

[2] Using this flaw I managed to rack up 300k approx profits

[3] I managed to withdraw 82k before I was caught

[4] The reasons why I should be paid the rest are X, Y and Z

The problem with the OP's entire submission is that he fails to explicitly admit [1] above and he fails to elaborate on [4] above.

Everything else the OP says is just noise (including accusing us of working for MB).

If I were in the OP's shoes I would address [1] and [4] above - but the OP (not being the sharpest card in the deck) does not seem to understand the ground upon which his 210K battle is to be fought :-)

Agreed. And well stated.
Let me ask you this. If the OP had told the truth from the beginning about finding the flaw would you lobby for him to get paid or not?

[SportsBettor74]

Agreed. And well stated.
Let me ask you this. If the OP had told the truth from the beginning about finding the flaw would you lobby for him to get paid or not?

I am unsure. Give me 24 hours and I will provide an answer.

It's a difficult case - and my current opinion is coloured by the blatant lies told by the OP and sycophantic approach that the OP has taken.

I'll respond to this specific question in 24 hours.

[BrickJames]

Thank you DTM.
Gamblers fallacy definition:
The gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy or the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the erroneous belief that if a particular event occurs more frequently than normal during the past it is less likely to happen in the future, when it has otherwise been established that the probability of such events does not depend on what has happened in the past.

Exactly, like the old saying "dice, coins, cards have no memory" meaning the probability is the same for each instance regardless of what happened in the past.

[DontTailMe]

LOL we aren't talking about coin flips in China and other parts of the world we are talking about one online casino and one person's results in that casino. So until you find out the results of ALL the spins from all the players who were playing at that casino, then you will never find out whether or not the casino actually lost any money on the slots! I will say it again and then you can talk about China or statistics or anything else you want, so here goes again, you have no idea whether the casino lost money or not because you don't know what any of the other players won or lost besides this one player! Some other player may have lost $300,000 during the time frame that this guy won $200,000 so therefore the casino is up $100,000! You have no idea because you only have one player's results instead of all the casinos results! So stop claiming that you know what the numbers are for the casino when you only know what one player did LOL that is beyond preposterous! The casino may have made money off these slots during the last 9 months. And you have no idea whether they did or not because all you are doing is taking the results of one player and then totally assuming everything else which is terribly preposterous and beyond!

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about here. And you should probably stop because you're making a fool out of yourself to anyone who has even a 101-level understanding of statistics.

My coin flip example is a very pertinent analogy given your argument. The fact that you can't see that is part of the problem.

[DontTailMe]

My comments re: this thread

[1] It is obvious the OP **knows** there was a flaw in the slots(s) and that the OP exploited it. Note the OP's obfuscation when asked several times (in earlier posts) what his average/typical bet size was. He smoke-screened and refused to answer this because whilst the OP may not be the sharpest card in the deck, even he knows that it is mathematically impossible to rack up several 100K winnings on a slot with $5 bets (and he admits no jackpots hit). Eventually (after further pressing making it impossible to not answer without raising suspicion) the OP finally admits that his average/typical bet was $5. So initially we know that the OP **knew** he was exploiting a flaw and he tried to hide this from this forum. Note also that the OP has given up pretending that he did not know the slot was flawed (initially he denied it but then later makes statements such as "even if it was flawed, it is not my fault"). I refer the reader to several excellent posts (above) re: the maths and stats regarding this.

[2] The issue of whether or not a customer has the right to exploit a flaw and expect to get paid: If someone had come to this forum stating that they had bet a palpable error (i.e. a mistaken line or mistaken odds) and then expected to get paid I know exactly what this forum would say - "You are a chancer - we all play by the rules - you should not expect to get paid - go away". I have seen this many times before. No-one here who has any experience will support someone trying to cash in on bad lines / bad odds offered by a bookmaker.

[3] Exploiting a flawed slot is indistinguishable from betting a palpable error - in both cases the customer does not have a leg to stand on and we all know this

[4] The OP's strategy appears to be that for those posts he cannot refute (those based on maths and stats) he obfuscates. For those with even a glimmer of support he pretends that the post is fully supportive. The OP has only one objective which is to attempt to gain a further 210K after deliberately exploiting a flawed slot

[5] The OP pretends that the number of views of this thread is somehow related to "support" for him exploiting a flaw in a slot and expecting to get paid. In reality, readers of this forum are interested in seeing the results of a customer with a "claim" against a bookmaker for 6 figures and how the situation pans out - irrespective of what finally happens. This interest in no way equates to support - and based on the prior posts in this thread I would assess that readers are fully aware that exploitation of a flawed slot has occurred in this case and that support (if any) is related to a dislike of MB or bookmakers in general and is NOT related to the merits of this particular case (which clearly has no merit)

[6] Summary - the OP took advantage of a flawed slot. His obfuscation adds weight to the inescapable conclusion that the OP **knew** the slot was flawed. Betting a flawed slot is not distinguishable from betting a palpable error. There is no sympathy on this forum for those who bet obvious palps and then expect to get paid. The OP has remarkably been able to withdraw 84K - probably due to MB incompetence at not discovering the slot flaw sooner. The OP now wishes to attempt to gain a further 210k and expects this forum to support him. He expects support for betting a palp. This forum does not support those who bet a palp and expect to get paid. I doubt that MB will pay a dime more.

I agree with a lot of this. One thing I will say is that I believe sportsbooks should have to pay out their line errors. The reason SBR forums tell people to go away on palps is largely because we know they won't so why bother? We've been programmed. But I do agree that there's not much difference between a palp and a game glitch - if it works in the book's favor, there's nothing wrong with it!

[RAIDER1223]

I agree that this could be argued either way.

However - although the OP has already tacitly admitted that this is the case (see above - he tacitly admits he knew the slot to be flawed) - he fails to situate his arguments on this ground. Rather - he resorts to ad hominem arguments and obfuscates by failing to address the arguments presented.

If I were the OP (losing traction and sympathy at this stage) I would say:

[1] I knowingly took advantage of a flaw in a slot that I had identified

[2] Using this flaw I managed to rack up 300k approx profits

[3] I managed to withdraw 82k before I was caught

[4] The reasons why I should be paid the rest are X, Y and Z

The problem with the OP's entire submission is that he fails to explicitly admit [1] above and he fails to elaborate on [4] above.

Everything else the OP says is just noise (including accusing us of working for MB).

If I were in the OP's shoes I would address [1] and [4] above - but the OP (not being the sharpest card in the deck) does not seem to understand the ground upon which his 210K battle is to be fought :-)

Get angry and upset all you want SB74.
Here's your answer to #4: I've answered this question and other questions countless times throughout the post. Read it. You'll get all of your answers and more, even though I don't owe you shit in having to answer any of your questions. They are not relevant. This isn't a trial.

What is relevant is that I am trying to alert people that playing at My Bookie is not recommended. Why? Because they seized my money which is a very large balance. This isn't about defending myself in trying to capture....

MY XZ$%&HF^$& MONEY!

Got it champ? Wake up!
There's nothing to admit to, because there was no exploitation of any slot game. The slots use very sophisticated RNG technology, as stated several times. Do you really think that I, or any other Player, knows how to penetrate, crack, breakthrough, decode, or manipulate online slot games and turn them into an ATM machine spitting out $100 bills at will whenever I want? Seriously? Do you realize how incredibly dumb you sound?

I know you want me to somehow admit something that is not there. I know for you it just seems statistically impossible that I could have won this amount of money from 7-10 slots games operated by TWO DIFFERENT slot Operators. It just blows your mind away, doesn't it? Does this just piss you off? Apparently so. I know it boggles your mind as to how that can be.

Let it go, Sir. I won fair and square from multiple slot games and that is just how it is. People win. It happens. Accept it.

This isn't a court of law. This isn't a trial and you are not the Judge. Period.

The original post was just to alert people that MYB seized a large amount of money ad-hoc for an unproven reason of alleged "glitches" in the slot software (multiple slots - LOL), so to protect other Players from getting their money that this book/casino seized/stole. It's not about anything other than that.

It is a waste of your time to turn this into a trial of "guilty until proven innocent" because you are so pissed off that I won $200K+ at an online casino.

Deal with it.

Go play their games, man. Deposit some cash and take a shot at the slot games. Go see if you can win the coin that I've won. Give it a shot. Stop bitching about it and spend some cash and spin the slot games and see if you can rack-up $200K+. If I can do it, then others can too, right? Thousands of people play those games across the world and play at the EXACT SAME TIME.

Unreal.


(I guess it just pisses some people off that someone won a lot of money and most people have lost their assess for years, and they just can't seem handle the fact that there is someone whom won a lot of money and hasn't been paid that remaining balance because the casino is scared and unprepared to ever run into having to pay this amount of money to a Player that won.)

Sorry. Tough shit. You're a casino. I won. Pay me!

[RAIDER1223]

I am unsure. Give me 24 hours and I will provide an answer.

It's a difficult case - and my current opinion is coloured by the blatant lies told by the OP and sycophantic approach that the OP has taken.

I'll respond to this specific question in 24 hours.

Awesome. You know everything don't you?

Me: Win $200K+. Money seized. "Glitches". No proof provided by the casino. None. Auditor works for the casino only. That's real legit.
You: Get all angry that "it can't be!", "The OP is lying". "The OP is avoiding admitting he knew something".

Here's an idea smart guy. Why don't you call or email MYB, ask to speak to "J.R." or another Manager there. Ask them to send me solid, detail, undeniable proof that there were glitches in all the slot games that I played, and that I knew about it, and proof as to how it was exploited, and have them send that data to me?

You can also call/email Betsoft and ask the same of them and let them know, as I have, that MYB is stating that Betsoft games have "glitches".

Go for it.

You are so animated and pissed-off about trying to try a non-trial case here that all you have to do is call/email and ask.

I'm sure EVERYONE would like to know and see the data.

I know I would.

Do it. Like Nike says "Just do it!"

I've asked several times. Result? Crickets.

Let it go dude. It's ok. Go grab a beer and settle down. :-)

[ace7550]

One thing I will say is that I believe sportsbooks should have to pay out their line errors. The reason SBR forums tell people to go away on palps is largely because we know they won't so why bother? We've been programmed. But I do agree that there's not much difference between a palp and a game glitch - if it works in the book's favor, there's nothing wrong with it!

I agree with this 100%. I bet a line error not in my favor at BM a couple weeks ago. Total bonehead move on my part. I called them and of course they wouldn't cancel it.

[Thunderground]

I hope you get paid. I don't know the game, but my guess is that bet size plays a part in beating it. Some games, at some settings, are set up so that the player can't lose X times in a row, so if the player keeps doubling the bet size he can beat such a game. Something of that nature.

Pretty neat to take a C book for 80K. You knew their rating, so it may have been better to keep a lower profile and draw it out longer. Good luck.

[JoeCool20]

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about here. And you should probably stop because you're making a fool out of yourself to anyone who has even a 101-level understanding of statistics.

My coin flip example is a very pertinent analogy given your argument. The fact that you can't see that is part of the problem.

LOL With all due respect to you, you have to stop comparing a guy winning money on casino slot games to some "coin flip analogy"! We aren't talking about coin flips we are talking about ONE persons slot play!

And the fact that you see ONE person's winning results from a casino slot game, and then you totally assume that he cheated and "should have known" something was wrong because he was winning is the WHOLE problem and you are way beyond making a fool of yourself! You have NO IDEA whether other people were losing MORE than he won at these casino games!
If other players were losing more than he won, then under your idiotic thesis, you'd have to "change sides" midstream and start saying the casino was "flawed" and cheating because they were winning too much! LOL That is why you can't take data from ONE person's slot results and start assuming that the game is flawed or he is cheating! Because ALL the data combined might just show that the casino won money and then you have to flip flop sides and say the casino was flawed and cheating! Dude that is BEYOND stupid and foolish of you! LOL

[JoeCool20]

agreed. And well stated.
Let me ask you this. If the op had told the truth from the beginning about finding the flaw would you lobby for him to get paid or not?

lol who said there was a flaw in the game? You only know of one person's results on these slots! Stop assuming the game was "flawed" because of one players results!
You don't even know the total results! What if the casino profited a million dollars off all the total players that were playing these slots?!
If the casino profited a million dollars then you'd have to change your whole assumptive story and start saying the casino cheated and was using a flawed game to steal a million dollars from unsuspecting clients!

[Mugsy777]

Joe , sadly , you are an Idiot , God Bless you though and good luck

[RAIDER1223]

I hope you get paid. I don't know the game, but my guess is that bet size plays a part in beating it. Some games, at some settings, are set up so that the player can't lose X times in a row, so if the player keeps doubling the bet size he can beat such a game. Something of that nature.

Pretty neat to take a C book for 80K. You knew their rating, so it may have been better to keep a lower profile and draw it out longer. Good luck.

Thank you. I really appreciate your support.
Thank you. Appreciate your support. I hope I get paid too. I just played several slots. That's it. No trick. Just played and won.

Now pay me MYB

I deserve to be paid

[JoeCool20]

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about here. And you should probably stop because you're making a fool out of yourself to anyone who has even a 101-level understanding of statistics.

My coin flip example is a very pertinent analogy given your argument. The fact that you can't see that is part of the problem.

I agree with this 100%. I bet a line error not in my favor at BM a couple weeks ago. Total bonehead move on my part. I called them and of course they wouldn't cancel it.

LOL Hey look y'all, I'm being serious here. Now y'all are trying to compare a guy winning money on slot games to coin flips and betting line errors! My question is this. Are y'all seriously suggesting that the guy should have STOPPED playing the slots that were winning and only played the one's that were losing? LOL When should he have stopped winning? How much money do you think somebody should win before they should stop playing and winning? $20 grand? $100 grand? And then if they start losing and lose a lot of it back like the OP did, does the "phantom stop win number" then reset itself to zero and he can win another $20 or $100 grand? LOL

[JoeCool20]

Joe , sadly , you are an Idiot , God Bless you though and good luck

LOL Thanks bro! Always remember people like you will NEVER say "You are right" or "I see your point" Y'all will just dig your heels in deeper and deeper and make a bigger fool of yourself.

You can't even admit that you have NO IDEA what the aggregate results of ALL the slot play is!

You have NO IDEA whether the casino came out with a profit when all the wins and losses of all the players is totaled up. All you know are the results of ONE player who was playing these slots! Everything else you say beyond that is a total and utter ASSUMPTION!

IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASSUME THINGS LIKE A DUMBASS THEN WHY WOULD YOU ASSUME FOR THE CASINO'S SIDE AND AGAINST THE PLAYER?!

[pologq]

optional is there any word back from mybookie on this?

[JoeCool20]

Exactly, like the old saying "dice, coins, cards have no memory" meaning the probability is the same for each instance regardless of what happened in the past.

I don't know of any gambler that DOESN'T know this is true! If the roulette wheel lands on RED 100 times in a row, then if somebody thinks the odds are any different for red on the next spin, then they should never go to a casino to begin with!

What we are talking about here is people have NO idea whether the casino turned a profit on these slots or not, because all they know are the results of ONE particular player! And they are taking the results of ONE player and claiming the whole game was "flawed" LOL I truly can't even believe they are serious!! They have NO IDEA what the overall total results are! These damn slot games might be "Flawed" and "over biased" towards the casino once all the players wins and losses are totaled up! Then these people assuming things would have to change sides and say the casino was cheating by using a flawed game! LOL

[RAIDER1223]

LOL Hey look y'all, I'm being serious here. Now you are comparing a guy winning money on slot games to coin flips and betting line errors! My question is this. Are y'all seriously suggesting that the guy should have STOPPED playing the slots that were winning and only played the one's that were losing? LOL When should he have stopped winning? How much money do you think somebody should win before they should stop playing and winning? $20 grand? $100 grand? And then when they lose it back like OP did, does the "phantom stop win number" then reset itself to zero and he can win another $20 or $100 grand? LOL

Classic. Great response. Well-stated.

Yep, after losing $126,000 too, I should have stopped, right? People forgot about that part....the $126,000 in losses from the SAME slots games that allegedly had "glitches"...that MYB doesn't want to talk about or "audit" that activity. Nope. I asked them to. They refused to "audit" that data. SHOCKER!

Still waiting MYB. Send me the data. Prove it to me. Show it to Betsoft. Show it Nucleus. Get everyone on a conference call to talk about.

Prove it.

(Just pay me my $210,085.70)

[RAIDER1223]

optional is there any word back from mybookie on this?

No. Still waiting. 6 weeks now.

SBR is working to connect with their management team to get the money back to my account.

[RAIDER1223]

Here's a little tidbit as well. When the MYB Casino "auditor" told me about the alleged "glitches", they offered to re-enable my account with a balance of $0 and to play their slots games again.

Can you f-ing believe that?

[RAIDER1223]

Also.....when they became aware that I had filed a formal complaint about them seizing my balance, the "auditor" called and left me a voice message stating that they had received a complaint, and that apparently it seemed that I didn't have the intention to play with them again, so they decided to "permanently" disable my account.

Go figure that one out.

(Just pay me MYB Casino)

[Bryan T]

You'll act like the guy did something wrong. He pushed a button. At some point is he suppose to say "wait a minute, I think this game is flawed, maybe I should stop". At very least, he should be paid to compensate his time spent playing this machine. I'm sure SBR has already made contact and been told they are not paying you but they just don't know how to tell you yet. Good luck tho.

[JoeCool20]

No. Still waiting. 6 weeks now.

SBR is working to connect with their management team to get the money back to my account.

Classic. Great response. Well-stated.

Yep, after losing $126,000 too, I should have stopped, right? People forgot about that part....the $126,000 in losses from the SAME slots games that allegedly had "glitches"...that MYB doesn't want to talk about or "audit" that activity. Nope. I asked them to. They refused to "audit" that data. SHOCKER!

Still waiting MYB. Send me the data. Prove it to me. Show it to Betsoft. Show it Nucleus. Get everyone on a conference call to talk about.

Prove it.

(Just pay me my $210,085.70)

Here's a little tidbit as well. When the MYB Casino "auditor" told me about the alleged "glitches", they offered to re-enable my account with a balance of $0 and to play their slots games again.

Can you f-ing believe that?

Also.....when they became aware that I had filed a formal complaint about them seizing my balance, the "auditor" called and left me a voice message stating that they had received a complaint, and that apparently it seemed that I didn't have the intention to play with them again, so they decided to "permanently" disable my account.

Go figure that one out.

(Just pay me MYB Casino)

Look I will just issue 2 apologies, one to you raider1223 and I sincerely hope you get paid. And I also apologize to the others on here that I/we have been bickering with each other. I just don't like it when people start going against a fellow SBR member like in this case when they are ASSUMING that there was a "glitch" in the game when they don't even know if that is true or not! Then they go on to say that the player "should have known" to stop when he was winning! LOL At WHAT dollar figure should you have "known that there was a glitch" and stopped playing when we don't even know for sure that there was a damn glitch in the game AT ALL? I just don't know why people would side with the casino by assuming all that when they don't even know that it is true! Sorry that it bothers me! Peace to all.

[DontTailMe]

LOL Hey look y'all, I'm being serious here.Now y'all are trying to compare a guy winning money on slot games to coin flips and betting line errors! My question is this. Are y'all seriously suggesting that the guy should have STOPPED playing the slots that were winning and only played the one's that were losing? LOL When should he have stopped winning? How much money do you think somebody should win before they should stop playing and winning? $20 grand? $100 grand? And then if they start losing and lose a lot of it back like the OP did, does the "phantom stop win number" then reset itself to zero and he can win another $20 or $100 grand? LOL

No. You're conflating different debate topics. Most of us can have separate ideas in our heads at the same time. I and many other posters here have been saying all along that we hope he gets paid. But just because I'm on the side of the player doesn't mean that I have to put forth arguments which defy real world mathematics.

You keep making fun of the fact that we're only focusing on ONE player. But if you had a rudimentary understanding of statistics, you'd realize that people like me and Ace are absolutely correct. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of spins here. It doesn't matter who played them...at all.

But I'm not sure why I continue to reply to you. Anyone who begins almost all of their posts with "LOL" most likely just enjoys trolling.

Edit: When it comes to mathematical debates with you, I think of this graph.

[RAIDER1223]

Look I will just issue 2 apologies, one to you raider1223 and I sincerely hope you get paid. And I also apologize to the others on here that I/we have been bickering with each other. I just don't like it when people start going against a fellow SBR member like in this case when they are ASSUMING that there was a "glitch" in the game when they don't even know if that is true or not! Then they go on to say that the player "should have known" to stop when he was winning! LOL At WHAT dollar figure should you have "known that there was a glitch" and stopped playing when we don't even know for sure that there was a damn glitch in the game AT ALL? I just don't know why people would side with the casino by assuming all that when they don't even know that it is true! Sorry that it bothers me! Peace to all.

Thank you kindly, JoeCool20. You are alright, Sir. Thank you.

[RAIDER1223]

You'll act like the guy did something wrong. He pushed a button. At some point is he suppose to say "wait a minute, I think this game is flawed, maybe I should stop". At very least, he should be paid to compensate his time spent playing this machine. I'm sure SBR has already made contact and been told they are not paying you but they just don't know how to tell you yet. Good luck tho.

Thank you, Bryan T. You are good people, Sir.

[ace7550]

Just to clarify, I do want the OP to get paid, even though he said standard deviation is "garbage." Math is my livelihood and standard deviation is a huge part of my models.
I'm only pointing out that the slot/s were +ev. It's not a theory or opinion. It's a mathematical certainty.

[RAIDER1223]

I agree that this could be argued either way.

However - although the OP has already tacitly admitted that this is the case (see above - he tacitly admits he knew the slot to be flawed) - he fails to situate his arguments on this ground. Rather - he resorts to ad hominem arguments and obfuscates by failing to address the arguments presented.

If I were the OP (losing traction and sympathy at this stage) I would say:

[1] I knowingly took advantage of a flaw in a slot that I had identified

[2] Using this flaw I managed to rack up 300k approx profits

[3] I managed to withdraw 82k before I was caught

[4] The reasons why I should be paid the rest are X, Y and Z

The problem with the OP's entire submission is that he fails to explicitly admit [1] above and he fails to elaborate on [4] above.

Everything else the OP says is just noise (including accusing us of working for MB).

If I were in the OP's shoes I would address [1] and [4] above - but the OP (not being the sharpest card in the deck) does not seem to understand the ground upon which his 210K battle is to be fought :-)

[[[However - although the OP has already tacitly admitted that this is the case (see above - he tacitly admits he knew the slot to be flawed) - he fails to situate his arguments on this ground. Rather - he resorts to ad hominem arguments and obfuscates by failing to address the arguments presented.]]]

Hey SportsBettor74?. You're an idiot. Plain and simple.

I NEVER stated anything about ("he tacitly admits he knew the slot to be flawed" [aka: "I knew there was a flaw in a/the slot/slots game(s)"]. Once again, your attempt at being a shitty attorney on a sports gaming forum fails. Fails miserably. You make the meaning of the word "pretext", insulting. I'm sure the attorney in you fully comprehends the word "pretext".

I challenge you, 'Counsel", to find one quote where I specifically stated that I knew there was a flaw in a slot game. You won't find it.

Do us all a favor, please. Go away and comment on another thread. The attorney-like analyses you have been writing herein is completely unfounded and are not supported by any facts, "Counsel".

Go "try" another case. You've lost, Counsel.

[RAIDER1223]

"If I were in the OP's shoes I would address [1] and [4] above - but the OP (not being the sharpest card in the deck) does not seem to understand the ground upon which his 210K battle is to be fought :-)"

Hey SportsBettor74? I don't have to address anything to you , 'MYB Attorney'. Regarding your unfounded, unsupported comment that I'm "not the sharpest card in the deck", again an unfounded and unsupported claim. The jealously runs deep through you. It's obvious.

I must be pretty sharp, Counsel, because I won over $200K and you didn't. Based upon your posts on other forums, you have been pelted with loses and large deposits just about everywhere.

Case close, Counsel. Court is adjourned.