[jjgold]

Are they broke?

[bubba]

BetDSI is not behaving like a D rated book, nor are they behaving like Bet Islands or WSEX when they got in trouble. They definitely owe the 2 or 3 people that currently have ongoing issues a better explanation then they're giving. But Books in trouble don't make numerous max payouts, and have business as usual for so long, to the large majority of players. The sudden drop to a D rating reeks of an an agenda, far deeper than a couple of players having ongoing issues. A drop to a B or B- rating is probably warranted, based on the separation from Bookmaker group, and the couple of troubling, ongoing issues.

I find the behavior of not paying 1 or 2 players 10s of thousands of dollars with no proper explanation worthy of a D rating. You certainly can argue that there are books with better ratings who deserve worse (i am not arguing those right now). But in a vacuum i count these current no plays as a BIG Deal and D feels appropriate to me.

And I am no Sbr apologist. I will never forgive them for leading me to be robbed of 10s of thousands of dollars by the basically SBR created book Betislands. But if these accusations are true D feels appropriate to me. DSI Can state there case why the no pays are legit or they can pay the players but until then its very alarming.

[HedgeHog]

Are they broke?

Why? Because they stopped paying for advertising here? Do you question if 5D is broke when you're on day 4 of a BTC payout--the same type of payout DSI completes same day more often than not?

[bubba]

Why? Because they stopped paying for advertising here? Do you question if 5D is broke when you're on day 4 of a BTC payout--the same type of payout DSI completes same day more often than not?

opposite of broke. they have excess $ due to a couple of stiff jobs is the appropriate answer.

[HedgeHog]

opposite of broke. they have excess $ due to a couple of stiff jobs is the appropriate answer.

I don't think the 3 amounts in question are that significant in the day to day payouts. If you think that DSI is intentionally stealing, how much time do you think 30-50K in extra money buys a large company like DSI. A day or two at most is my guess. That said, the three cases do concern me. It also concerns me that SBR is exploiting this because DSI no longer wishes to sponsor this site. Dropping from A to D in weeks looks more like a vendetta than anything else. DSI is likely somewhere in the middle of this range--say a B-/C+

[bubba]

I don't think the 3 amounts in question are that significant in the day to day payouts. If you think that DSI is intentionally stealing, how much time do you think 30-50K in extra money buys a large company like DSI. A day or two at most is my guess. That said, the three cases do concern me. It also concerns me that SBR is exploiting this because DSI no longer wishes to sponsor this site. Dropping from A to D in weeks looks more like a vendetta than anything else. DSI is likely somewhere in the middle of this range--say a B-/C+

Ratings are semi meaningless. We agree. But the DSI no pays are of great concern to me. Whether thats worthy of a c rating or d rating or f or b it doesnt really matter. What matters is a case thats 4? + months old and dsi hasnt given anyone a reason for withholding money.

And yes I was joking that stealing gives them excess funds. no clue there financial situation.

[Enkhbat]

Never had issue with BetDSI cashouts, no way they are D+, even if they are struggling.

[bubba]

Never had issue with BetDSI cashouts, no way they are D+, even if they are struggling.

What rating does a book deserve that pays out 99% of their customers but withholds funds from 1 % of their customers (who happen to be on the larger side)?

[bubba]

if the allegations are true. its an open forum for dsi or their fans here to dispute the allegations. I hope they do! so far nothing??

[TheGuesser]

What rating does a book deserve that pays out 99% of their customers but withholds funds from 1 % of their customers (who happen to be on the larger side)?

There's no dispute that DSI is holding funds of a couple of players. In their mind, there's some suspicious activity or other problem that needs to be investigated. I fully agree with you that those matters need much more timely completion, and much better communication. But if 99% of people, including other large balance people, are being paid max payouts, and other payouts, like clockwork, that is in no way a D sportsbook, nor a sportsbook seemingly in trouble, which is what a D rating implies. That's why a B to B- rating would be more appropriate, and that the D ratings smells of some other agenda.

[bubba]

There's no dispute that DSI is holding funds of a couple of players. In their mind, there's some suspicious activity or other problem that needs to be investigated. I fully agree with you that those matters need much more timely completion, and much better communication. But if 99% of people, including other large balance people, are being paid max payouts, and other payouts, like clockwork, that is in no way a D sportsbook, nor a sportsbook seemingly in trouble, which is what a D rating implies. That's why a B to B- rating would be more appropriate, and that the D ratings smells of some other agenda.

I have not read of anyone being paid as much as the individual or 2 have been stiffed. Not saying they havent been, i just havent seen it. And the 4+ months is a major red flag to me. this hasnt been 10 days. its been 120+ days. thats more than enough times (multiple times over) to get nearly any issue sorted out.

If you say paying 99% of people is worthy of a B, than you feel that way. Id probably disagree. Im less concerned with the letter grade DSI receives and way more concerned with the facts of these cases which scare me of DSI very badly. Its an open forum, id expect and explanation if they have one!

[thechaoz]

Any book that pulls this kind of crap isn't getting a dime from me? It's simple, he either sent in his ID and papers or not. If he did, is it not him? Does the information not match? Have you logged him on the same IP as someone else? If they don't come out and say it, then we have to side with the player

His story seems very believable and congruent, and we've also heard from others with larger cashouts griping as well. It's a sad day for BDSI...all they have to do is explain or make it right. Why lose so much good faith over a couple of low 5 figure payouts? Word spreads fast in the online betting world

[bubba]

.all they have to do is explain

this.

[KS1986]

I have not read of anyone being paid as much as the individual or 2 have been stiffed. Not saying they havent been, i just havent seen it. And the 4+ months is a major red flag to me. this hasnt been 10 days. its been 120+ days. thats more than enough times (multiple times over) to get nearly any issue sorted out.

If you say paying 99% of people is worthy of a B, than you feel that way. Id probably disagree. Im less concerned with the letter grade DSI receives and way more concerned with the facts of these cases which scare me of DSI very badly. Its an open forum, id expect and explanation if they have one!

I had about 15k in my account roughly six weeks ago and they paid me everything in a few days. Their daily max bitcoin withdrawal is only 5k so had to do three transactions. Iv'e used this book for 10 years without issue , but yes it is a little concerning that they are holding these balances. I have to believe they have some information that they aren't releasing.

[Jetsfan]

Any book that pulls this kind of crap isn't getting a dime from me? It's simple, he either sent in his ID and papers or not. If he did, is it not him? Does the information not match? Have you logged him on the same IP as someone else? If they don't come out and say it, then we have to side with the player

His story seems very believable and congruent, and we've also heard from others with larger cashouts griping as well. It's a sad day for BDSI...all they have to do is explain or make it right. Why lose so much good faith over a couple of low 5 figure payouts? Word spreads fast in the online betting world

Exactly. They are scumbags.

[semibluff]

SBR aren't in a position to post hunches or suspicions. They can't say we think this, or even we know this, but we're not at liberty to say how or why we know it. It doesn't really matter what they know. What they can do is give a very clear message of something being wrong.

They've downgraded BetDSI 4 times!

It's gone from being at the very top of the best list to hovering above the very worst sportsbooks on the internet list in double quick time. You see a message...or you don't.

[TheMoneyShot]

SBR aren't in a position to post hunches or suspicions. They can't say we think this, or even we know this, but we're not at liberty to say how or why we know it. It doesn't really matter what they know. What they can do is give a very clear message of something being wrong.

They've downgraded BetDSI 4 times!

It's gone from being at the very top of the best list to hovering above the very worst sportsbooks on the internet list in double quick time. You see a message...or you don't.

They gave DSI the benefit of the doubt just dropping 1 grade... from A to B.

I believe they are getting more information... and have reason to believe something is more questionable... and players funds could possibly be in jeopardy.

I don't think this has anything to do with advertising dollars.

[temple2010]

They gave DSI the benefit of the doubt just dropping 1 grade... from A to B.

I believe they are getting more information... and have reason to believe something is more questionable... and players funds could possibly be in jeopardy.

I don't think this has anything to do with advertising dollars.

The entire grading system on here has everything to do with advertising. I've played with "C" books that are equal to or better than "A" books. The bottoms line for me is an "A" book is a book that pays and pays fast- plain and simple.

[RoyBacon]

They gave DSI the benefit of the doubt just dropping 1 grade... from A to B.

I believe they are getting more information... and have reason to believe something is more questionable... and players funds could possibly be in jeopardy.

I don't think this has anything to do with advertising dollars.

DSI never had any of these in all the years they were with BM. The first month of independence they have no pays, some going on 5 months. I think the rating indicates there is a possibility you won't be paid. DSI could of simply paid those guys. But this is the new DSI post BM. And not everyone gets paid.

[combination lock]

I have not read of anyone being paid as much as the individual or 2 have been stiffed. Not saying they havent been, i just havent seen it. And the 4+ months is a major red flag to me. this hasnt been 10 days. its been 120+ days. thats more than enough times (multiple times over) to get nearly any issue sorted out.

If you say paying 99% of people is worthy of a B, than you feel that way. Id probably disagree. Im less concerned with the letter grade DSI receives and way more concerned with the facts of these cases which scare me of DSI very badly. Its an open forum, id expect and explanation if they have one!

A certain Queen song comes to mind right now.... so sad

Ive liked using them for years.... at least there is justbet now which just basically took their place

[baseballstud]

Betdsi still advertises that they are an A+ Book rating by SBR. will you make them fix that ?

[GradyFuson]

They are still paying me, another max $5k today.

I like them and will keep using them. I'm 2% worried about my balance, and 98% thinking that SBR is trying to shake some ad dollars out of them.

[bubba]

They are still paying me, another max $5k today.

I like them and will keep using them. I'm 2% worried about my balance, and 98% thinking that SBR is trying to shake some ad dollars out of them.

You really think the poster is lying? and sbr is in on it? trusting sbr has screwed me in the past but thats an awfully serious allegation you are making.

Throw the ratings out the window. I can see saying SBR would be more likely to be on the books side if they were advertising. I get that. But a no pay is a no pay. i dont care weather rated A or F- a no pay scares me. Just cause a book stiffs a few people doesnt mean they will stiff everyone or even anyone else. But id be way more than 2% worried to keep a large balance with them,

[semibluff]

They are still paying me, another max $5k today.

I like them and will keep using them. I'm 2% worried about my balance, and 98% thinking that SBR is trying to shake some ad dollars out of them.

If betting is legal where you are and/or they already have your details then losing your cash is the only risk...and that risk appears to be very small. If online/offshore gambling was illegal where I was and this company didn't have my details - i'd definitely avoid joining them. It doesn't look like an SBR shake-down for money. It looks like an SBR 'fire' warning. No reason to run into the building to find out if it really is on fire.

[Btgorilla]

I requested another payout from dsi BTC received about 18 hours later. Quicker than or equal than some of the A books

[TheMoneyShot]

Interesting to see some of these posts by non-pros... and low post counts.... how do we even know you're credible in what you're saying?

I'm still skeptical.

[Legions36]

Interesting to see some of these posts by non-pros... and low post counts.... how do we even know you're credible in what you're saying?

I'm still skeptical.

Dude they are paying a lot of money to people right now. I actually don't know what to believe other than SBR says one thing, DSI says another but many posters and people are get payouts every day.
I do know these things here: is that SBR didn't look into DSI money right after the split-suspect, within weeks of being with bookmaker split a complaint comes up-suspect, the fast ratings drop over a couple weeks-suspect,
The only thing you can count on not being suspect right now is that all the people are being paid right now. I can't say whats to happen next month but right now this is whats happening.
I don't agree with SBR or DSI because of the whole issue but they are paying people right now. There are a handful of A+ rated books and don't you think all this should have been looked at in July by SBR if they cared so much about people?

[RoyBacon]

There are no-pay complaints on every forum even poker forums. Glad they are paying some. But anyone that reads the forums and gets burned there deserves what they get. Too many books out there that there is no question you get paid.

[semibluff]

Interesting to see some of these posts by non-pros... and low post counts.... how do we even know you're credible in what you're saying?

I'm still skeptical.

If you're referring to me i'm only a small time gambler with zero experience of BetDSI. If you have a history with BetDSI then there's probably little reason to worry or bet somewhere else. If you don't already have any business with them I can't see a good reason to start now. Simple risk analysis as I see it. I don't wish them ill. I hope their reputation goes up again. More good books makes it harder for bad books. Good luck with whatever you do and by all means ignore my uninformed opinion.

[bonzaii]

[GradyFuson]

You really think the poster is lying? and sbr is in on it? trusting sbr has screwed me in the past but thats an awfully serious allegation you are making.

Throw the ratings out the window. I can see saying SBR would be more likely to be on the books side if they were advertising. I get that. But a no pay is a no pay. i dont care weather rated A or F- a no pay scares me. Just cause a book stiffs a few people doesnt mean they will stiff everyone or even anyone else. But id be way more than 2% worried to keep a large balance with them,

I don't think the story is fabricated. But I also don't think we are getting the full story. DSI is a big book and I don't think a $20k balance is a big deal to them.

I don't know anything for certain, but I'm not worried.

Interesting to see some of these posts by non-pros... and low post counts.... how do we even know you're credible in what you're saying?

I'm still skeptical.

You might be referring to me. I don't blame you, I would think the same, but I've been on SBR for about 5 years and followed it for 8 years. Until the last 12 months I hadn't seen much reason to post. Business being better has gotten me more involved.

Still, I don't have much of a rep here, so you should be skeptical.

[RoyBacon]

If there is a bonus or some compelling reason to wonder over there doubt anything goes wrong.

Bookmaker is the best book buttt you can't beat Heritage, 5D and BOL for low juice and selection.

[rw464]

Update 12/8/2017: Rating lowered to D+

Online sportsbook BetDSI has been downgraded to D+. On November 27, SBR reported that a BetDSI Sportsbook player has had a balance of $23,832.17 in limbo since August 4. The player's account has been frozen for withdrawals since that time. Two new complaints have surfaced regarding unpaid balances. | Read more

Does anyone know if it's true with betdsi if they give you a $25 freeplay the most you can win is $250? They gave me a $25 freeplay, I won $1100. But they'll only pay me $250. I thought I remember reading the rules when they gave it to me and all it said was there was a 3x rollover. In there rule section all it says is you can only win $5,000 off any free play. I asked thru chat if they could show me where it said $250 was the max, they ignored me and never answered.

[Optional]

Does anyone know if it's true with betdsi if they give you a $25 freeplay the most you can win is $250? They gave me a $25 freeplay, I won $1100. But they'll only pay me $250. I thought I remember reading the rules when they gave it to me and all it said was there was a 3x rollover. In there rule section all it says is you can only win $5,000 off any free play. I asked thru chat if they could show me where it said $250 was the max, they ignored me and never answered.

I haven't heard of that before there, and can't see it mentioned in general terms, but if it was a no deposit bonus it is very normal to have an upper limit on winnings from it.

Try an email instead of live chat and ask the question again I suggest.

[PackAttack98]

DSI rating= (D+) why? Never had a problem in 12 years. This reminds me of fake news.