[PAULYPOKER]

Everybody has their own strategy,it is part of ones own responsibility to figure out his opponents strengths and weaknesses,just because someone beats or embarrasses you with their "A" game does not make them unfair players,you must learn from these mistakes of your own and come up with your own strategy to defeat them at their own game.............

[oiler]

Everybody has their own strategy,it is part of ones own responsibility to figure out his opponents strengths and weaknesses,just because someone beats or embarrasses you with their "A" game does not make them unfair players,you must learn from these mistakes of your own and come up with your own strategy to defeat them at their own game.............

players like them are just cry babies and think they are better than what they are,guess they think if they lose .someone is a crook or something,but there will always be cry babies in poker but never thought thad would be one ,,,like i said ,he needs to grow a pair and either deal with it or change his game to combat that kind of play

[RudyRuetigger]

players like them are just cry babies and think they are better than what they are,guess they think if they lose .someone is a crook or something,but there will always be cry babies in poker but never thought thad would be one ,,,like i said ,he needs to grow a pair and either deal with it or change his game to combat that kind of play

says the guy that just hit n ran for 50 points at that table

where do you fukks come from? had no idea sports bettors were this clueless

[RudyRuetigger]

oh wait now i get it..

when people on the poker forums complain about hit n runs...its actually the sports betting guys that are the ones trying to do it. it all makes sense now.

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hey dumbass there was only two players ,wasnt worth playing for so stfu .u have no class u dumbass your just as bad as carseller...the cry baby and the scammer ,what a group

[RudyRuetigger]

hey dumbass there was only two players ,wasnt worth playing for so stfu .u have no class u dumbass your just as bad as carseller...the cry baby and the scammer ,what a group

lets see, im pointing out something to do with proper etiquette and you come back at me like this? ok pal









--its also funny. 2 other players was enough to WIN 50 points from, but then you left and thought 2 werent worth playing.

[RudyRuetigger]

by the way,calm down pal. dont hit the keyboard too hard while you type all those words

[oiler]

hey cry baby there was only one cause glitch said that was his last hand so dont act like u know what is going on and do have plenty of tissue for u

[RudyRuetigger]

we all know glitch is a hit n run as well

[oiler]

ok i guess everybody is a hit n run to u .so im done with u .guess anybody who beats u is a hit and run and i hope evrybody who plays u wins and runs .so u can continue your crying,,,

[RudyRuetigger]

[borednaz]

I'm finally done with this website. One to many suck outs, bad callers getting rewarded then telling me I played badly. Most importantly I'm tired of being left in the cold for contests. I'd like to say it was the new trivia roll over crap but I'm used to SBR finding new ways to stiff us. No what finally did it for me was all these new guy's attitudes.

They justify shill play & no common sense. They mock you for playing with at least a certain level of maturity & decency. Pathetic. I feel like an old man looking in at a young generation of idiots & fools. Since legally I can't take them out back to beat the sense into them I'm just going to do what most do at this stage; shake my head as I walk away.

I'm sure I will hear a million times (I thought you were leaving) because you'll see me at the tables (for Roll over only) or playing in SBR contests from this point on. But I won't be talking, I won't be posting, even to those I consider friends. You have my email if I liked you, contact me there. I just intend to get what I paid for then leave my membership expires in April. Good luck with the sinking ship Rudy, You were one of the greats so I wish you well.

[Nookx]

I'm finally done with this website. One to many suck outs, bad callers getting rewarded then telling me I played badly. Most importantly I'm tired of being left in the cold for contests. I'd like to say it was the new trivia roll over crap but I'm used to SBR finding new ways to stiff us. No what finally did it for me was all these new guy's attitudes.

They justify shill play & no common sense. They mock you for playing with at least a certain level of maturity & decency. Pathetic. I feel like an old man looking in at a young generation of idiots & fools. Since legally I can't take them out back to beat the sense into them I'm just going to do what most do at this stage; shake my head as I walk away.

I'm sure I will hear a million times (I thought you were leaving) because you'll see me at the tables (for Roll over only) or playing in SBR contests from this point on. But I won't be talking, I won't be posting, even to those I consider friends. You have my email if I liked you, contact me there. I just intend to get what I paid for then leave my membership expires in April. Good luck with the sinking ship Rudy, You were one of the greats so I wish you well.

Did you use proper bankroll management?

[borednaz]

Did you use proper bankroll management?

Sir,
At most times I did. The eventual end of my Bankroll like everyone else's no I did not. If I had points left I'd of sent you some. It's also impossible to use BRM when your below 100 buy ins at the lowest stake. You do remember most of my points come from RO so I have no control over my starting amount much like a lot of players here.

Your comment was however spot on.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

my god i cant believe how many dumb responses i got. i started to quote them all but thatd be 90%.

i guess this confirms how fukkin dumb you are by all the points i win off of you.

Intelligent counter debate... well written and constructed... no, really, trust me, it is.

I mean, someone could argue that even a person of reasonable intelligence could probably parse down that 90% into a manageable 30% or so and then proceed to cogently respond to that but, hey, yeah, I'm with you... I find your minimalist approach to be both powerful and effective.

And oh, btw, you happen to mention "dumb responses", which in the less minimalist world usually suggest the notion of plural, yet, you use the pronoun "you" when mentioning points you've taken (which usually denotes singular). Just a pronoun faux pas or might you get specific?

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

next you guys are going to tell me changing seats at a non full table and disconnecting on purpose are not angle shooting tactics.

ignorance does not need to be repeated

For you to equate changing seats to the undisputable angle shooting of someone that purposely disconnects... ah, well, let's just say that reveals a lot.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

I can deal with it, but the majority of players will agree that it's a pretty bush thing to do. I guess you can take solace in that the majority of the players who hit & run frequently are not going to be winning players. There's nothing in the rules against hit & running, but there's nothing against the rules against slow rolling either.

In point of fact, top players that have spoke/wrote about the "short-stacked hit n' runner" pretty much agree it is -EV long-term. They also talk about how good players will adjust accordingly to those hit n' runners. All good players deal with it.

Also, "hit n' runs" are defined by different people in various ways; whereas slowrolling (always scumbaggy) is a straightforward maneuver.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Yea, its not "illegal" to hit n run. Its also not "illegal" to stiff points.......
...... Hey, go check the points subforum and look at how you guys love the "stiff list", oh but having a hit n run, disconnect cheat, or changing seats at a table list is bad? give me a fukkin break

Wow. Hit n' running in poker and outright theft of points is so not alike it zooms right past apples and oranges and flies headlong into apples and jjgold's kneepads territory. (Might you have experience with jj's kneepads?... hence the comparison.)

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Hit and Runs are to common at these tables.

Predominately due to rollovers.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

I remember one time playing live where this guy was in a pot with one other player with about $300 in front of him. Bets about $250 on the river to leave about $50 behind. The other player goes over the top of him all in. So he has to call about $50 to win a huge pot. He moans and groans then motions over the waitress to order himself a fukin sandwich...in the middle of the hand! After he finishes ordering his burger, he then flips over the nuts.

Was that legal? Sure it was. Granted it was pretty funny to everyone at the table besides the slow rollee, but that guy lost a lot of respect with that hand. Just like baseball has unwritten rules, poker does too.

You reference an extreme example of slowrolling (always scumbaggy) that nobody would defend.

But one of the overall points in this thread that should be acknowledged/taken away is that not all "hit n' running" is created equal, as previously noted (time constraints, rollovers, etc.).

Hey, again, I'm personally not a hit n' runner and I can't say I'm crazy about 'em but I adjusted long ago to the common things found in poker (like this)... and hell, I've even had to adjust to all the girly-man whiners!

[daneblazer]

One big difference between here and doing hit n runs anywhere else like Stars, Bodog, or Tilt (RIP) is that this is a smaller community. We see or play each other daily. Those other sites you'll likely never see that H&R'er again. Going back to guy calling it a night early example, he has every right to do that, but if he does that every time he's up, do you think he's going to be invited or welcomed back to that game more often than if he didn't? I guess that depends on how many times he's down, but probably not.

H&R is certainly not as equal as the slow rolling story I had above, but it's generally something frowned upon. Can people adjust? Sure. That doesn't mean they are going to enjoy a high variance hit and run ride. There aren't too many players here properly rolled to play 1/2 much less 2/4 or 5/10. (Weird to mention being rolled w/ betpoints). Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass right now, but I guess my point in this thread is that a player has the right to do it, but be prepared for some backlash within the community when they do.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

One big difference between here and doing hit n runs anywhere else like Stars, Bodog, or Tilt (RIP) is that this is a smaller community. We see or play each other daily. Those other sites you'll likely never see that H&R'er again.

Yep, I alluded to this point in my original response to BD. I'm sure many view SBR poker more like a 'homegame' -- and to those that do -- it would only be proper to increase the 'etiquette ante'.

We have to allow, however, that not everyone views SBR this way, so, consequently, let's acknowledge that poker (ultimately and to its core) is a cutthroat game; in the end, people will play this game in the fashion that best suits their needs. As long as they're not cheating or blatantly angle shooting -- while meeting the base requirements of etiquette (no obnoxious a-holes!) -- the onus falls on each of us to adjust to how the other player is playing. (Did someone say game theory?)

And maybe I've been playing online poker more/longer (online since '99 on numerous sites) than you but, while not common, it also wasn't all that surprising to run into H&Rers that I'd made a specific note on (on FT, Stars, etc.). I obviously would play them accordingly and I got the better of the (collective) H&Rers by far.

Going back to guy calling it a night early example, he has every right to do that, but if he does that every time he's up, do you think he's going to be invited or welcomed back to that game more often than if he didn't? I guess that depends on how many times he's down, but probably not.

Well, as I said in my original post, if someone is doing that with buds in a "buds' game", it's clearly a dick move. But again, not everyone views SBR poker this way and, instead, clearly view it as cutthroat to a specific goal (SBR store stuff). And unlike the example you cite, no one has to be "invited" or "welcomed back" to SBR poker... do they? So why would they care?

H&R is certainly not as equal as the slow rolling story I had above, but it's generally something frowned upon. Can people adjust? Sure. That doesn't mean they are going to enjoy a high variance hit and run ride. There aren't too many players here properly rolled to play 1/2 much less 2/4 or 5/10. (Weird to mention being rolled w/ betpoints). Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass right now, but I guess my point in this thread is that a player has the right to do it, but be prepared for some backlash within the community when they do. People have every right to call someone out just as someone has every right to do a H&R.

...just as someone has every right to call out the whiners that call out the H&Rers ( insert Elton's "Circle of Life" here! )

I hate whiners like others hate H&Rers so to quote my buddy Vonnegut... and so it goes.


Hey, db, enjoy reading your posts/point of view... and to quote my other buddy BD:

CHEERS!

[mih847]

this is a dumb post. who cares when you come or go. some people have better things to do then play free online poker. rudy you stupit

[Landscaper]

Crying over points..priceless

[RudyRuetigger]

the funny part is bitemeusadoj actually thinks he is a good poker player.

hey pal, i can spit out a bunch of shit to make myself sound poker smart but at the end of the day im a losing player, much like yourself.

im glad i made this thread, not only do i get to list hit n runs, i also get to see who defends them and can avoid them while playing heads up

hey oiler, tough luck at the tables today

[RudyRuetigger]

and the funniest part is people say "its just points". ive given hundreds away and thousand to the sbr store charities meanwhile all you guys save every point ..........try a different angle

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

the funny part is bitemeusadoj actually thinks he is a good poker player.

If being a good poker player is defined by being significantly up in money over many years at both B&M casinos and online sites, yeah -- you got me, Rudy! -- I actually do think of myself as a good poker player.

Funny thing is, tho, most people would define such players similarly, so... go figure, huh?

hey pal, i can spit out a bunch of shit to make myself sound poker smart

TRANSLATION: "I don't possess the mental wherewithal to intelligently counter BiteMe's astute points (like the idiocy of equating things like theft of points and seat changing to H&Ring, etc.) so I'll resort to the lowest of mental comebacks and roll with the ad hominem, which is pretty much all I'm capable of anyway..."

That's ok, Rudy... I gleaned early on your limitations.

but at the end of the day im a losing player, much like yourself.

Ah, speak for yourself, Rudy... for the evidence regarding me would suggest otherwise (tho I 100% believe your admission to being a losing player, as your incessant whining in this thread confirms a loser).

I've been an SBR'er for ~ 2 months, only a pro for ~ 1 month. In this time, while playing SBR poker sporadically, I've somehow managed to make 5 separate SBR store purchases spending ~ 2,500 points. All points were made solely in poker. Participation-wise, I've done next to nothing in sportsbook or casino (can count bets/sessions on one hand).

Ah, gee, Rudy... sorry, pal... DAMN THAT FUKKIN EVIDENCE!

Coincidentally, my 5 guys card came in the mail today. I promise I'll think about ya just a lil' bit when I take my nieces there this weekend.

im glad i made this thread, not only do i get to list hit n runs, i also get to see who defends them and can avoid them while playing heads up

You really have no idea how much of a pussified girly-man you're coming off as... do ya?

Rudy won't play me no more... how will I ever survive?

(Although, it's one of the first smart things you've said in this thread... playing me heads-up consistently would be disastrous for you... and I'm not sure I could keep up with all the SBR store purchases!)

[mrmarket]

Rudy you shouldn't be letting this tilt you (which it is right now). There is no counter to it online. It doesn't really bother me either way. I will exploit it live though. When it comes from a player that is genuinely ignorant about the game etiquette or a fish I ignore it. When it occurs from the same players who happen to be breakeven/winning players I will make a fuss and I will especially do it against regulars if in both cases it makes them play sub-optimally/causes them to tilt against me. This is a smallish community so you would think that the online dynamic would be a less prevalent and it would play like a home game but I've found the experience to be mixed overall. My hope is they implement private tables so we can simply exclude them from play.

[manofsteal]

I've experienced a few H&R's on here. I don't know if I'd be so upset to call people out on it. I got it all the time at Stars, I guess I'm desensitized.

[RudyRuetigger]

its a simple etiquette issue. im not tilting. im up over 10k at sbrpoker in the last week.

bitemedoj..it speaks volumes that you run to the store to cash out for $15 pizza gift cards. im sure you are killing it at online poker though ...ive given away over 1500 points the last few days in gifts and stakes to help the community, but congrats on your 2500 point cashout, you are big time pal

[cant call it]

Sometimes I play for 5 minutes, sometimes for 30 minutes. But If I get up alot, whether its over a couple of hands won or twenty hands won, I will leave when I damn well feel like it. It would be different if we were at a live table, because that would be more entertaining, and I would be using cash instead of internet points. So for what its worth, stop whining and post a video rant attacking these people would be more entertaining than this thread.

[hhsilver]

just a quick question -- I see some discussion about disconnects -- I also think I've noticed something about "free disconnects" at the top of the table (if I remember) ---- I don't know what all this means. Do some use disconnects for an advantage. All I know is I very occasionally have been disc in tourneys by the software - (once at a key time that hurt me) and always got right back in - and "disconnect" in ring games by choosing to leave the table. What is it I do not understand about the term "free disconnect" and what's referred to in this thread about players using it in an unfair way?



Maybe , I'm a run-n-hit. Often I RUN from the table in frustration and exasperation and then HIT my wife.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

bitemedoj..it speaks volumes that you run to the store to cash out for $15 pizza gift cards. im sure you are killing it at online poker though ...ive given away over 1500 points the last few days in gifts and stakes to help the community, but congrats on your 2500 point cashout, you are big time pal

You're so disingenuous and dishonest, Rudy.

You stated I was a losing poker player like you; but when I lay down the facts which reveal that you're talking out your ass, all you're left with is to try to divert and insult. It's your S.O.P.

Then again, it's always the S.O.P. of blunderers that can never back up their asinine assertions with intelligent, logical reasoning or proof.

* When challenged to intelligently defend your asinine assertion that changing seats at a table is an angle shoot and equivalent to H&R'ing... **crickets**

(Divert and insult.)

* When challenged to intelligently defend your asinine assertion that outright theft of points is equivalent to H&Ring... **crickets**

(Divert and insult.)

And now, here, more divert and insult. What a surprise.
(Pssst, it's not working.)

What I did with my points is irrelevant to your assertion; what is relevant, however, is the fact that -- playing infrequently in a limited time frame -- I made over 2,000+ points. I am a winning player. Always have been. Sharkscope, PTR, PE, etc. all confirm this online.

Ever since FT stole a few thousand from me though (Black Friday?... maybe you've heard of it?) I haven't been "killing it" online, sorry to say. I have been kinda killing it live, tho (Foxwoods, Turning Stone), as I pretty much exclusively play B&M these days. I'm up a few thousand this month at Foxwoods, but it'll make you happy to know I'm down 5 hundred at TS.

Now, I know you're no math major, Rudy, so let me help you out: That still means I'm up a few thousand for the month. Oh, gee... I know maybe that's not as "Big Time" as 10k internet points, but I'm OK with it.

And what person, btw, (other than a moron) would even think they could discern what constitutes "Big Time" or not based on another's handling of betpoints? For you see, Rudy, not everyone makes SBR as integral a part of their life as you do, pal. I've played in one BTP Saturday tourney and zero Sunday tournies. Let me guess: you've played in next-to-all of them if not every single one... right? 5,500 posts, on SBR next-to-24/7... You, sir, are BIG TIME... no question bout it.

As for me, while I like and appreciate SBR, to date, it's merely a pleasant lil diversion while I'm working or surfing. It doesn't consume my life like it does yours (and others). And I'm not knocking you guys that are obsessed with SBR... hey, knock yourselves out. But some of us are here to just have fun and goof around; I already own a desktop, laptop and Galaxy tablet. It's not my feverish goal to get one from SBR. I have teenagers in my extended family that I'm very close to; they've gotten a kick outta me giving them the gift cards (and 5 guys is a burger joint not a pizza place and it's $40 not $15, you dipshit).

But hey, maybe you can start a new thread where guys like JakePeavy, Dippity Do (I see he just got his $50 gift card) and I can all submit our intentions of what we wanna do with our betpoints. Then you can pass judgment and CALL OUT those intentions that you find displeasing/unworthy (maybe even have a thumbs out/ thumbs down system like Ebert?) The added bonus is you get to determine who's Big Time and who isn't. Sounds like a win-win. Run with it...

Also, another might interpret my handling of betpoints to speak "volumes" to the notion that perhaps, just maybe, I'm not a degenerate gambler and no matter what kind of gambling I'm engaged in (be it big or small), I ... Always... End... Up... In... The... Positive... Long-term. But not everyone is as sharp as you, Rudy, so they're probably wrong to have that interpretation. No, really, I'm sure they're wrong.

And being you seem interested in playing a lil round of "let's pat myself on the back today", I'll perhaps throw in the fact that I've randomly given points to SBR'ers too to help the 'community' here, but far more importantly, I actually do some volunteer work in the real world community. Just sayin'...

Say Rudy... you've actually inspired me to consider starting a coupla threads on SBR:

First consideration: "SBR's Biggest Whiners"

Second consideration: "SBR's Disingenuous/Dishonest D-Bags"

Dont worry if I only do one, tho... cuz you'd be front and center on either list.

THANKS!


p.s. Disingenuousness/Dishonesty is far worse than H&Ring

[Optional]

just a quick question -- I see some discussion about disconnects -- I also think I've noticed something about "free disconnects" at the top of the table (if I remember) ---- I don't know what all this means. Do some use disconnects for an advantage. All I know is I very occasionally have been disc in tourneys by the software - (once at a key time that hurt me) and always got right back in - and "disconnect" in ring games by choosing to leave the table. What is it I do not understand about the term "free disconnect" and what's referred to in this thread about players using it in an unfair way?



Maybe , I'm a run-n-hit. Often I RUN from the table in frustration and exasperation and then HIT my wife.

^^^ yeah explain for us "dumb sports bettors" please.

Also is slowrolling just playing slow? And if so, how is that an advantage?

[mikejamm]

Another reason why this rollover bullshit is a fuk'in joke! Nice fuk'in poker environment sbr has created here huh? Guys like Rudy, borednaz and mrmarket who play with class and do realize there is such a thing as poker etiquette, are the only reason the ring games are interesting and present a challenge to play. I agree that now with all these new hit and run punks, the ring games are more of a fuk'in luck fest full of idiots who play a few hands and then their chicken shit asses bolt the table! Way to go Rudy and keep adding these douche bags to the list! When we find out and learn who they all are, we'll bust their fuk'in asses and take all their chips. FUK YOUR ROLLOVER SBR!!! IT'S A BUNCH OF