[allin1]

Are you related to tto? A mod at SBR says he has known Jon for several years, and at the same time plays at BI and would like to play there if they would allow him to -- in response to a poster asking if BI was safe. I am not going to go look for other positive spins he put out there for BI. If this doesn't sound like a recommendation to you, then there is no such thing as a recommendation. He seems to be on both sides of the street on few statements. He didn't seem to be too worried about the unsustainable business model since he played there. I think we have beat this side issue to death now.

I forgot about the "I would play there if I could". That does sound like a clear recommendation.

Sorry man. You were right.

[Chimneyfish]

This is the first time we've seen this list but BI Jon stated personally that it's faked and there was never a category called "SBRmod".

If it's fake and you've never seen it before, then why did Justin7 say yesterday that he resigned several days ago? He just had a hunch that a completely fabricated list containing his name and account information would be leaked, and instead of simply disproving the fake list he'd rather quit? If it's a fake list, how have multiple posters (including Justin7 himself) been able to verify that their account balances are correct? ATB are just really good guessers? Also- on a different forum, Justin7 implied that it's been a long time since he personally defended BI. Why did SBR continue to defend BI for so long after Justin7 saw the problems? Why did Justin7 merely clam up and "stop defending" them instead of actively alerting SBR players of the issues? It's hard to believe that Justin7 had long ago received knowledge that changed his opinion of BI and in all that time the knowledge was never passed on to you or John.

I appreciate your response:

But ask away, no one is hiding.

[SBR_John]

ImMa say this. If anyone re ups their pro status and gives SBR any more money after they blatalantly stole then You're the idiot this time.... U can't look at this and say SBR didn't know... If u don't believe that then u just don't wanna... If you go pro again thatd be like knowin a poker site is rigged havin facts that its rigged and still depositing more money... SBR is just hopin that all the folks so addicted to this site say oh well they fuked us but the site is still cool so ill continue to post... SBR robbed people just as much as bet islands and its a damn shame that folks are so greedy now... SBR is a gold mine and they still go and fuk posters

Tough crowd. Stick with the A or better yet the A+ group. If you don't want to play in the contests around here or roll in the SBR sportsbook then don't go Pro. Plenty others will and are doing so in large numbers. We made a mistake and have owned up to it, apologized for it and allowed every voice and shred of evidence to be posted and dissected. Just like you and everyone else we are human and we made a mistake, we will learn from it, make sure its never repeated and do our best to improve.

[bettilimbroke999]

Spare me the drama. BI was a B rated sponsor that went belly up. It's a terrible thing and we regret allowing them on here. Over the past 12 years there have been several B books and a couple of A books that have failed. There have been many locals vanish as well. Its one of the ugly risks of unregulated gaming.

John c'mon now its ridiculous to just shrug your shoulders and say what can you do when 80% of the members of BI were SBR referrals. SBR created the entire customer base and promoted BI from start to finish....you were getting a cut from an unbelievable 80% of its members which had signed up to a new book souly on SBRs word that they were solid, joke rating and constant promotion.

Every cent received from BetIslands (which is all money owed SBR members anyway) should be distributed to SBR members as a start...pocketing the money you helped steal from SBR members is not an option sir

I personally like you SBRJohn, I met you at the bash in 2008 and you seem like a great guy, maybe in your shoes I would've done the same thing idk, but at this point more than just a shoulder shrug needs to be offered to the SBR members you helped defraud if you care about SBRs reputation at all

[allabout the $$$]

Tough crowd. Stick with the A or better yet the A+ group. If you don't want to play in the contests around here or roll in the SBR sportsbook then don't go Pro. Plenty others will and are doing so in large numbers. We made a mistake and have owned up to it, apologized for it and allowed every voice and shred of evidence to be posted and dissected. Just like you and everyone else we are human and we made a mistake, we will learn from it, make sure its never repeated and do our best to improve.

in others words dont renew your pro status we dont care. many other suckers will so it doesnt matter

[horja1]

ImMa say this. If anyone re ups their pro status and gives SBR any more money after they blatalantly stole then You're the idiot this time.... U can't look at this and say SBR didn't know... If u don't believe that then u just don't wanna... If you go pro again thatd be like knowin a poker site is rigged havin facts that its rigged and still depositing more money... SBR is just hopin that all the folks so addicted to this site say oh well they fuked us but the site is still cool so ill continue to post... SBR robbed people just as much as bet islands and its a damn shame that folks are so greedy now... SBR is a gold mine and they still go and fuk posters

well ... non-pro giving advices to Pro's about renewing their status ... hmm ... I will renew my membership in the next 2-3 weeks because it will cost me nothing and so far this PRO thing worked great for me ...

[Iwinyourmoney]

Tough crowd. Stick with the A or better yet the A+ group. If you don't want to play in the contests around here or roll in the SBR sportsbook then don't go Pro. Plenty others will and are doing so in large numbers. We made a mistake and have owned up to it, apologized for it and allowed every voice and shred of evidence to be posted and dissected. Just like you and everyone else we are human and we made a mistake, we will learn from it, make sure its never repeated and do our best to improve.

Jon why not dig deep in those pockets and do a lil bailout for posters with a confirmed balance?

Kick back some of that dirty money you guys received.

In real life....if you buy/sell something stolen....you lose your money and the item.

Do the right thing and cancel your next vacation.

[tatommack]

Tough crowd. Stick with the A or better yet the A+ group. If you don't want to play in the contests around here or roll in the SBR sportsbook then don't go Pro. Plenty others will and are doing so in large numbers. We made a mistake and have owned up to it, apologized for it and allowed every voice and shred of evidence to be posted and dissected. Just like you and everyone else we are human and we made a mistake, we will learn from it, make sure its never repeated and do our best to improve.

man you are so wrong when i was asking about going pro you wanted me to sign up though BI.

[SplitAces]

Kraken
You are right. Sharps played at BI and kept big balances there. They play at books where they can get 1k out a week and have no track record. I am wrong.

[ttrace35]

man you are so wrong when i was asking about going pro you wanted me to sign up though BI.

Yea Walker is a fukkin liar. In other news..... the sky is blue

[King Mayan]

You have to give sbr John at least that.. He's taking it like a man... He's not deleting or moving all these anti sbr threads... Other forums would've banned half the posters in these threads...

[Sam Odom]

He's taking it like a man...

just like you do when Sammy comes over

[thechaoz]

I'm aware of how affiliates work.. Not sure if sbr considers itself an affiliate but my name is on there but not a correct number so I'm assuming it's someone else (pretty common name). But without a doubt I can guarantee this list is not exhaustive of ppl like me who signed up through contest links on sbr etc

[wtt0315]

word on the streets is jon already is at another book with ryan. this same book will be offering bailouts. Be careful..

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Every cent received from BetIslands (which is all money owed SBR members anyway) should be distributed to SBR members as a start

If BI were getting killed by the sharps, SBR won't have been making much commission at all.

[SBR_John]

man you are so wrong when i was asking about going pro you wanted me to sign up though BI.

Can you please post the quote or post? We haven't allowed Pro status from BI in a year maybe longer. If I did I will have another portion of crow, served cold. I never played there and I don't ever remember personally encouraging players into any B book. Of course I'm not trying to minimize the mistakes SBR made, we did promote them, owners with deep pockets, ect., just saying I always try to recommend the A group.

[ttrace35]

word on the streets is jon already is at another book with ryan. this same book will be offering bailouts. Be careful..

Its called Alliance

[SplitAces]

LOl ...make a living while not having access to your funds. Great point.
I never suggested small balances; I said being able to access my funds. I understand your play and style of play.I disagree. If you add the risk of playing at a d book it minimizes your return on your winnings to make a living. Value vs. risk.
This is like a small stakes poker player turning on Game Show Network and seeing Daniel Negreanu sitting with $1M in chips in front of him, and saying "what bullshit, nobody plays no limit with that kind of money".
Nothing like that. If I have to explain this than it really does not matter. Playing no limit with much bigger stack is a bad bad example. Your whole stack is not at risk only what is in the pot is at risk. You can walk away with your money when you want. Placing a big stack at a d book immediately places your whole stack at risk and that is with out betting 1 game.


Try collecting stamps.

I'm one of the people you claim had to be playing on credit, who had to have been receiving referral fees to have a balance "so big". Only I wasn't on credit and have no relationship to SBR or BI.

This is like a small stakes poker player turning on Game Show Network and seeing Daniel Negreanu sitting with $1M in chips in front of him, and saying "what bullshit, nobody plays no limit with that kind of money".

Sharps play at all kind of books, including some that are rated D- here. There's always a risk-reward factor at play. Sometimes you get it wrong. But keeping balances, as you suggest, small enough where you can cash out in one shot would make it impossible to make a living. It's an OK strategy for a hobbyist, but it's bad advice if you want to win a lot of money.

[boeing power]

Its called Alliance

If this is true I'm sure SBR would notify its players.

[bettilimbroke999]

If BI were getting killed by the sharps, SBR won't have been making much commission at all.

If no money was received then SBR received no benefit from the BI fiasco, I am unfamiliar with how the affiliate system works...if you have 10 posters lose 1k each and one poster up 10k does this just cancel out and you get nothing? Is it just a % of the total losses of all posters?

[ttrace35]

If this is true I'm sure SBR would notify its players.

No because they are going to distance themselves from those dudes for a while.

[SplitAces]

Can you please post the quote or post? We haven't allowed Pro status from BI in a year maybe longer. If I did I will have another portion of crow, served cold. I never played there and I don't ever remember personally encouraging players into any B book. Of course I'm not trying to minimize the mistakes SBR made, we did promote them, owners with deep pockets, ect., just saying I always try to recommend the A group.

JOHN start cooking the crow. Lou referred me to BI in Aug/Sep of this year. I did not use the link but Lou told me to tell them and they would convert me to Pro. I had no desire to and saw no value in being a SBR pro so I passed. He personally told me on the phone.

[tatommack]

Can you please post the quote or post? We haven't allowed Pro status from BI in a year maybe longer. If I did I will have another portion of crow, served cold. I never played there and I don't ever remember personally encouraging players into any B book. Of course I'm not trying to minimize the mistakes SBR made, we did promote them, owners with deep pockets, ect., just saying I always try to recommend the A group.

it was though a pm its since been deleted. If you keep those stored some where im sure you can find it. it was over a year ago we had this conversation. i have no reason to lie about this. thank god i just stuck with heritage. do what's right atleast give these people points you made money of BI take care of pro members that were apart of BI that's all i ask to make this right they took care of you. it would go along way.

[The Kraken]

LOl ...make a living while not having access to your funds. Great point.
I never suggested small balances; I said being able to access my funds. I understand your play and style of play.I disagree. If you add the risk of playing at a d book it minimizes your return on your winnings to make a living. Value vs. risk.
This is like a small stakes poker player turning on Game Show Network and seeing Daniel Negreanu sitting with $1M in chips in front of him, and saying "what bullshit, nobody plays no limit with that kind of money".
Nothing like that. If I have to explain this than it really does not matter. Playing no limit with much bigger stack is a bad bad example. Your whole stack is not at risk only what is in the pot is at risk. You can walk away with your money when you want. Placing a big stack at a d book immediately places your whole stack at risk and that is with out betting 1 game.


Try collecting stamps.

I've been stiffed at more A and B books than D books. If you're not posted up at a D book then you don't understand the necessity of playing there. For you the security of your money may be number one, for others it's about getting their money down.

[Mikeyanks23]

JOHN start cooking the crow. Lou referred me to BI in Aug/Sep of this year. I did not use the link but Lou told me to tell them and they would convert me to Pro. I had no desire to and saw no value in being a SBR pro so I passed. He personally told me on the phone.

fukkin lou

its always lou

[KGambler]

I'm aware of how affiliates work.. Not sure if sbr considers itself an affiliate but my name is on there but not a correct number so I'm assuming it's someone else (pretty common name). But without a doubt I can guarantee this list is not exhaustive of ppl like me who signed up through contest links on sbr etc

This list shows account numbers. People are not just going off of first names.

[bettilimbroke999]

Can you please post the quote or post? We haven't allowed Pro status from BI in a year maybe longer. If I did I will have another portion of crow, served cold. I never played there and I don't ever remember personally encouraging players into any B book. Of course I'm not trying to minimize the mistakes SBR made, we did promote them, owners with deep pockets, ect., just saying I always try to recommend the A group.

Owners with deep pockets indeed....I would say they have at least 1.5 mil in them now

[The Kraken]

fukkin lou

its always lou

[tatommack]

John its Christmas for gods sake take care of your people. you can use all my points ill ever receive or take away points from all non pros. Merry Christmas i hope you do the right thing.

[CallMeChip]

Tough crowd. Stick with the A or better yet the A+ group. If you don't want to play in the contests around here or roll in the SBR sportsbook then don't go Pro. Plenty others will and are doing so in large numbers. We made a mistake and have owned up to it, apologized for it and allowed every voice and shred of evidence to be posted and dissected. Just like you and everyone else we are human and we made a mistake, we will learn from it, make sure its never repeated and do our best to improve.

Translation: You lost, we won. Get over it. If you don't like it, screw off.

You are now encouraging your user base NOT to use your services. Business 101: You want every single customer to use every single product or service you provide. I don't see any extra incentive being offered for your customers to re-up or stick around. This is so disheartening on so many levels...

[SBR_John]

JOHN start cooking the crow. Lou referred me to BI in Aug/Sep of this year. I did not use the link but Lou told me to tell them and they would convert me to Pro. I had no desire to and saw no value in being a SBR pro so I passed. He personally told me on the phone.

Play the recording or it didnt happen....jus fuggin with you.

The prior conversation the poster said I recommended BI for him to go Pro, not Lou. I don't doubt Lou did they were a sponsor and Lou works for SBR.

[bettilimbroke999]

fukkin lou

its always lou

Lou does all of SBRs dirty work, if I get a PM from lou I do 2 virus scans on it before opening

[KGambler]

I've been stiffed at more A and B books than D books. If you're not posted up at a D book then you don't understand the necessity of playing there. For you the security of your money may be number one, for others it's about getting their money down.

Kraken, we tried. I give up.

[JasonDC]

No because they are going to distance themselves from those dudes for a while.

Fukk, i hope it's true..maybe they convinced someone else to back them financially and start a new shop..id take any bailout right now, regardless of the book or their rating..all i have got so far is a short email this morning from comptroller@outlook saying there isnt any news on a bailout. Betislands paid for a couple years, maybe this alliance would be able to pay long enough for me to get my money.

[wtt0315]

No it's not it has connections to another sbr book when I can confirmed it will be out until then be careful of phone calls
QUOTE=ttrace35;17219932]Its called Alliance[/QUOTE]