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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Like I said, there are just a lot of bad coaches in the league right now period.

    The black coaches I mentioned -- with the exception of Hollins -- are at a disadvantage in that they were rushed into their current positions. Not sure how you could say guys like Smart and Marc Jackson are qualified to be NBA head coaches.
    i give jackson credit for at least trying to get those guys to play defense..he just has no talent on that team
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidgetTossers View Post
    i give jackson credit for at least trying to get those guys to play defense..he just has no talent on that team
    Didn't Smart do the exact same thing? Where'd that get them?

    What qualifies Jackson to be a head coach in the NBA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Like I said, there are just a lot of bad coaches in the league right now period.

    The black coaches I mentioned -- with the exception of Hollins -- are at a disadvantage in that they were rushed into their current positions. Not sure how you could say guys like Smart and Marc Jackson are qualified to be NBA head coaches.
    Jackson's only 33 games into being a head coach, not sure how he can really be judged, you wont win without really good talent and they just arnt really the best of teams, there are plenty of Hall of Fame coaches who started out with terrible coaching records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Didn't Smart do the exact same thing? Where'd that get them?

    What qualifies Jackson to be a head coach in the NBA?
    smart didnt get them to play d bro...what qualifies anyone to be a head coach?..think jackson was a pretty good point guard so maybe thats what does
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    Was Mark Jackson ever an assistant coach? Not being a smart ass I just don't know. I don't think he was. All he did was TV
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidgetTossers View Post
    smart didnt get them to play d bro...what qualifies anyone to be a head coach?..think jackson was a pretty good point guard so maybe thats what does
    Smart tried to get them to play D at the start of the season last year.

    Shouldn't you have to at least be an assistant for a few years before you become a head coach? They've tried the same thing in baseball -- rushing guys right from being players into managers, and it's almost always been a disaster. You have to pay your dues, especially if you want to run a winning franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RL75 View Post
    Was Mark Jackson ever an assistant coach? Not being a smart ass I just don't know. I don't think he was. All he did was TV
    Not that I know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Smart tried to get them to play D at the start of the season last year.

    Shouldn't you have to at least be an assistant for a few years before you become a head coach? They've tried the same thing in baseball -- rushing guys right from being players into managers, and it's almost always been a disaster. You have to pay your dues, especially if you want to run a winning franchise.
    was doc rivers ever an asst coach?
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    I think Pop is the undisputed number 1. Spurs are gonna make a deep playoff run this year on an old team full of role players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauulzcappin View Post
    I think Pop is the undisputed number 1. Spurs are gonna make a deep playoff run this year on an old team full of role players.
    He just so happened to start his coaching career 17-47.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BernardMadoff View Post
    He just so happened to start his coaching career 17-47.
    Doc sucked on Orlando as well before going to Boston.
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    no coin, what qualifies mcmillan as a top 5 coach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauulzcappin View Post
    Doc sucked on Orlando as well before going to Boston.
    pretty sure he won a coach of the year there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauulzcappin View Post
    Doc sucked on Orlando as well before going to Boston.
    doc was 41-41 his first year in orlando and made the playoffs the next 3 seasons before he got fired
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-wizzle View Post
    pretty sure he won a coach of the year there
    Really? I read he got fired because he started out a season horribly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauulzcappin View Post
    Really? I read he got fired because he started out a season horribly.
    4th season got fired cause of a slow start
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauulzcappin View Post
    Doc sucked on Orlando as well before going to Boston.
    If he sucked then what makes him so much better now, does players not have anything to do with this equation. Id like someone to show me coaches that win consistently without really good players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-wizzle View Post
    no coin, what qualifies mcmillan as a top 5 coach?
    Heading into this season, he'd won 152 games over the last three seasons despite Portland's well-chronicled injury problems. Turned Seattle around, then turned Portland around. I'd love to see what he could do with a full deck there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BernardMadoff View Post
    If he sucked then what makes him so much better now, does players not have anything to do with this equation. Id like someone to show me coaches that win consistently without really good players.
    It's kind of a chicken or the egg argument. You can also easily say you'd like to see an NBA team that's won a title without a veteran coach who's been around the block a time or twenty.
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    NoCoin was Doc ever an asst coach?
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    Yeah, at 1999-2003 all we got in Brazil were playoff games and internet sucked back then.
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    Bottom line in my experience, you need good players to win especially on the pro level making millions, in college you can get kids to buy in more and play how you want and get them to play above their level more consistently than on the pro level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidgetTossers View Post
    NoCoin was Doc ever an asst coach?
    Not that I know of -- but he also had to spend eight full and often times failed years as a head coach before he won it all.

    To me, Doc is the one coach you could argue wasn't "elite" that's won a ring in recent memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BernardMadoff View Post
    Bottom line in my experience, you need good players to win especially on the pro level making millions, in college you can get kids to buy in more and play how you want and get them to play above their level more consistently than on the pro level.
    Agree that it's more of a players league than college -- which is why most great college coaches fail in the NBA. Totally different ballgame.

    With that being said, you can't just roll the ball out there and expect the players to win it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Not that I know of -- but he also had to spend eight full and often times failed years as a head coach before he won it all.

    To me, Doc is the one coach you could argue wasn't "elite" that's won a ring in recent memory.
    well then i guess u cant just discount jackson already and ask if hes even qualified to be a head coach..give the guy a chance before u bash him..im sure jackson will have a few failed years too but who knows maybe he will get a player or 2 or 3 like doc and change his fate
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Agree that it's more of a players league than college -- which is why most great college coaches fail in the NBA. Totally different ballgame.

    With that being said, you can't just roll the ball out there and expect the players to win it all.
    What are you going by to label these guys as bad coaches?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidgetTossers View Post
    well then i guess u cant just discount jackson already and ask if hes even qualified to be a head coach..give the guy a chance before u bash him..im sure jackson will have a few failed years too but who knows maybe he will get a player or 2 or 3 like doc and change his fate
    Maybe, but I'm not sure I see the difference between Jackson and Smart. At least Smart had some bench experience when he took over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BernardMadoff View Post
    What are you going by to label these guys as bad coaches?
    You consider them good coaches?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Not that I know of -- but he also had to spend eight full and often times failed years as a head coach before he won it all.

    To me, Doc is the one coach you could argue wasn't "elite" that's won a ring in recent memory.
    7 different coaches have won in the last 21 years...
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    and how is making the playoffs 4 out of your first 6 years as a head coach a failure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    Maybe, but I'm not sure I see the difference between Jackson and Smart. At least Smart had some bench experience when he took over.
    why compare them?..new owners came in and wanted their own guy..happens all the time in sports..smart never got a fair shake with the warriors..just bad luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidgetTossers View Post
    and how is making the playoffs 4 out of your first 6 years as a head coach a failure?
    Who are you talking about? Doc?
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    You can put Phil Jackson on the bench for the Warriors... That team will never make the playoffs the way they are built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No coincidences View Post
    You consider them good coaches?
    Their all young coaches in the league, are you going by their records so far?
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    Before the big three came along, Doc had never won a single playoff series, had been fired from a previous job, and was 24-58 in his second season in Boston -- an eight game decline from the year before.
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