[Dark Horse]

It was halftime betting activity. The time window is very short.

[20Four7]

Betfair is an exchange is it not? WTF does it care what happens. Is it trying to be the guardian of sports in europe?

[Toit]

It was halftime betting activity. The time window is very short.

A lot of people were betting 2-2 pre match already and quite a few bookies removed the correct score option before kick off.

[Toit]

Betfair is an exchange is it not? WTF does it care what happens. Is it trying to be the guardian of sports in europe?

Betfair settled within 5 minutes.
A lot of people became aware that something was fishy after looking at the amount matched at Betfair on the 2-2 result.

[jogumon]

How much was it paying? And how did you get this brilliant tip?!

11-1. They just had the best number on this, better than BetFair. Not a ton better, but better.

[Jaug]

11-1. They just had the best number on this, better than BetFair. Not a ton better, but better.

Well if no conclusive evidence appears within a few days, for example UEFA acting on the case, you should be paid.

[xasapidis]

betfair can show if a match is suspicius to be fixed....well about this match i have to inform you that i got paid from willhill,centrebet,bet24,eurobet and bwin but not at correct score the bets were for draw and u/o

[JoshW]

Interwetten isn't paying. I am working a 2-2 exact results bet that they have said they won't pay.

What makes sports betting attractive to bettors, is that the results are independent of the sportsbook. If a sportsbook can site rumors to justify canceling bets, the whole integrity of sports betting is put in question.

[jimakos]

Good point, Josh.

[jogumon]

Well if no conclusive evidence appears within a few days, for example UEFA acting on the case, you should be paid.

It's still pending....

Should I file an SBR complaint, since it's now 10 days after the event, and it's still not graded? Or should I wait until BetClic does something... who knows how long that will be.

[Dark Horse]

What makes sports betting attractive to bettors, is that the results are independent of the sportsbook. If a sportsbook can site rumors to justify canceling bets, the whole integrity of sports betting is put in question.

An irregular betting pattern for a precise score wouldn't be very hard to determine for a book. It would jump off the page.

If that is clear beyond any doubt, then it is not about the integrity of sports betting but about the integrity of sports. Still, if that was clear before the game then wagers should have been voided before the game as well. A book can't have it both ways. (The halftime wagers are a different category).

An exchange couldn't care less, so if anybody ever knows the precise score in advance ...

I don't know if this book decided to carry over the cancellation to all bets on the game, but that would seem a huge jump, just based on irregular betting patterns on a precise score. It would affect many bettors who won their bet fair and square. And again, if those patterns were so clear, why wait until after the game?

So I would like to put the halftime wagers in a separate category. And I would want to make sure that the book that claims irregular betting patterns on pregame wagers, which by their very nature should jump off the page, voids those wagers before the game. (to avoid that most 'fixed' action comes in just before kickoff, I would allow the book a brief time window for 'immunity').

After the fact, a book shouldn't be able to claim immunity for itself. In that case, in case of a dispute, a neutral governing body should decide. In a perfect world.

Yes, games are fixed sometimes. It comes with the territory. As bettors there's nothing we can do but hope these games end up 50/50 for us in the long run. For books there should probably be a statistical standard (of extreme improbability) for what are and aren't irregular betting patterns. Otherwise it becomes too easy for a book to claim it. They do have a right to sidestep fixed matches, but the bar should be set very high for them to claim it. If the bar is low, then bettors should be able to make the same claim and have wagers voided because a game was clearly fixed in their view.

[moonbeam]

Betfair (SBR rated A+) pays every fixed matches.

I guess that´s very fair for the mafia

[acw]

Betfair (SBR rated A+) pays every fixed matches.

I guess that´s very fair for the mafia

Yes, BetFair assists the mafia beautifully!
Whenever you have a sure win, just put in an order on BetFair slightly below the bookies prices and (A) all the arbers will assist you getting as much on as you want. (B) At the same time you have the BetFair boys that will back anything with the books and not lay it off with BetFair, so the books get triple hit! Not sure if jogumon is A or B, but he only backed the 2-2, because BetFair's price was lower. Dell dude would consider all these guys criminals!

[JoshW]

In the case of the player issue I am dealing with, the bet was made well in advance of the match on the exact score. This player got down before most of the money started coming in on the game. So he got excellent odds, but his bet was down at fair odds, before the match started. In cases like that, I don't see how they don't pay.

Long before I ever worked her I once bet on the outcome of an awards show. I knew the results (although they weren't public or even on the internet), won the bets, and was paid. In the case of a soccer match, even if their is some corruption going on, the result still has to actually come in. Their is risk involved. And as long as the player didn't influence the outcome, which would be extremely difficult to prove, I feel he should be paid.

[cristianbet]

Yep, not surprising that books are noticing a weird betting pattern AFTER they lose a lot of money. If this one had ended 3-2 I don't think the bets would be open very long.

good point

[gman2114]

fixed matches should not be paid out at all. for any reason. eliminate the wagering of fixed matches. eliminate fixed matches. as cappers is that not what we want in the long run. again you guys are putting a short term goal over the well being of the industry. all of you that want this result paid out are just destroying the industry. good luck to you all when more and more matches become fixed in the future.

[skrtelfan]

On the same token, the books that offer odds on pre-scripted reality TV odds could void every single winning bet because those are all "fixed."

[moonbeam]

On the same token, the books that offer odds on pre-scripted reality TV odds could void every single winning bet because those are all "fixed."

good point

[Toit]

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...ches-come.html

Please look here.

Hmmz, try this: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...ches-come.html

[Toit]

Links don't seem to work.

[Karayilan9]

Dark Horse,

Ita Serie B is corrupt. Have you seen this in a higher league?

Ita Serie B isn't that corrupt, not from a global perspective, I could tell you guys sh*t you wouldn't believe.

Unless its proven to be fixed bets shouldn't get voided but this stuff can happen online, bet on it in a shop and collect on the spot if you got the word.

How do you prove a 2-2 fix? unless the chairman, manager and all the players on both teams plus the mob were all in on it all operating in secrecy. Fixing an entire game takes alot of work, while getting an Over2.5 is a one man job, just need a keeper to make three legit mistakes. The books are just pissed they got taken for a ride on this game, I don't know why they make such a fuss about it. If they know a games fixed they can take it off, end of problem.

[Toit]

How much was it paying? And how did you get this brilliant tip?!

11/1 it was all over the Betfair forum.

[acw]

11/1 it was all over the Betfair forum.

So the mafia is even that smart to use the BetFair forum to get even more on!

[acw]

I would love to see a similar list as in the Finger Lakes saga of which books paid and those that have not (yet):
http://www.therxforum.com/showpost.p...&postcount=207

[vitalyo]

On the same token, the books that offer odds on pre-scripted reality TV odds could void every single winning bet because those are all "fixed."

So true

[tachi]

I thought it is only in highly corrupted countries,like mine.

surprised it is everywhere,including Western Europe.

Is the lottery fixed in Western Europe? In my country- Bulgaria,it is.

[MendozaLine]

I need an Italian informant.

[jogumon]

Anyone got any idea how long it takes to investigate whether the match was fixed?

[Dr.Gonzo]

Anyone got any idea how long it takes to investigate whether the match was fixed?

How long is a piece of string?

[Jaug]

Anyone got any idea how long it takes to investigate whether the match was fixed?

I think a tennis game involving a Russian player took like 1 year or something. Someone surely knows more about it.

[jimakos]

Even if the investigation finish who is going to pay your bet? The bookies?

[jimakos]

ESSA reveals only 1 suspicious betting incident out of 45 investigated has proved to be real.

google it and you 'll find the answer of how many players got their money...
All bookies took their customers money...

[nenad]

if only one has proved out 45 cases than a chance to not payout is 45:1

[jimakos]

if only one has proved out 45 cases than a chance to not payout is 45:1

Only 1 of 45 but in other (44 of 45) cases the users took their money and their bets settled correctly ? I doubt it

[virtozo]

I bet on 3-3 on Coral and it was settled next day as lost.