1. 02-07-10 08:49 AM #1
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    Carib Sports "Line Manipulation" - Threat of Theft

    After reading SBR I noticed a complaint that had been addressed:



    caribSports (SBR rating B) confiscates player's $150; cites "line manipulation."
    carib allowed the sharp player to wager with a $250 limit but told him that if he bet on both sides of the same game, the second wager would immediately be graded as a loss.

    Player: Fast forward til yesterday March 11, I bet the Lakers 2h total over 107 +105 for my max ($150) and another time at over 107 -105 for 157.50. Minutes later I bet under 107 +105 for $150 deciding to shorten my position. The third and last bet of under 107 was graded a loss with the game still going. I have used a wide array of bookies but noone has been giving me troubles with this. Had they cancelled all wagers right away I wouldn't have said anything but in my opinion grading pending bets as losses before the outcome is known is theft .
    SBR has asked Carib Sportsbook to refund the player for the wager he did not lose and to decline service to those who do not abide by rules or have desired wagering patterns. carib will remain under review while this case is pending.
    carib Sports (SBR rating B) returns $150 to player
    The sportsbook's management assures SBR that this was an isolated incident and that players will not be punished for buying back the otherside of a pending wager in the future.
    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/carib/

    I would like to note that this is not Carib's policy, and I recently had a wager deleted along with the threat of theft of my bet (in the form of being graded as an instant loss). Whatever lip service they're paying SBR isn't sufficient to ensure that they're not attempting to outright rob the non-savvy player.

    Be warned folks. TIA
    Last edited by Thremp; 02-07-10 at 08:51 AM. Reason: Jesus. My writing sucks.
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  2. 02-07-10 10:14 AM #2
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    Is this just if a bet has become an arb?

    I've made mistakes before (bet 1st set, when I meant to bet on the match result in tennis) and have "bought back" the mistake by betting the other side, though the book's had the full juice on it. How would Carib view that?
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  3. 02-07-10 10:17 AM #3
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    No clue. But they threatened me with something they explicitly told SBR they would no longer do. Where I come from, that is called a "lie".
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  4. 02-07-10 10:27 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by AimingHigh View Post
    Is this just if a bet has become an arb?

    I've made mistakes before (bet 1st set, when I meant to bet on the match result in tennis) and have "bought back" the mistake by betting the other side, though the book's had the full juice on it. How would Carib view that?
    As a generalisation, the books donīt mind this one bit.
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  5. 02-07-10 11:29 AM #5
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    Carib has been a good experience for the most part for me, but I did this once and they threatened the same thing.. And this was a $25 bet LOL
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  6. 02-07-10 11:38 AM #6
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    Carib puts lines on autopilot. Their software is programmed so whenever they take a limit bet, the line will automatically move. It is probably setup so only sharp player bets move the line. With props and halftimes they move a lot on a limit bet, sometimes it sets up an arb. Best way to play this would be to conspire with another Carib account holder. One could bet one side, carib's autopilot moves the line, then the second player hits the other side. You could do this for some time until the lazy bookmaker wakes up....then they'd probably cancel your bets claiming "bad line".
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  7. 02-07-10 01:14 PM #7
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    Caribs definitely not the olid book they used to be.

    A couple of months ago Iplaced a bet on (NFL) Team A to win and and team B +10.5.They voided the 2nd bet after them match ended claiming that I am not allowed to place a bet on both teams... I argued that it is quite legit to belive that team A will win but not by 11 point margin ... they just ignored me ... they refused to settle...

    They used to be gentlemen ... not any more.
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  8. 02-07-10 01:38 PM #8
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    While I think this is ticky tack chickenshit, they're lying bitches as well.
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  9. 02-07-10 03:27 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by UV82 View Post
    Caribs definitely not the olid book they used to be.

    A couple of months ago Iplaced a bet on (NFL) Team A to win and and team B +10.5.They voided the 2nd bet after them match ended claiming that I am not allowed to place a bet on both teams... I argued that it is quite legit to belive that team A will win but not by 11 point margin ... they just ignored me ... they refused to settle...

    They used to be gentlemen ... not any more.
    Fill out a complaint. That's bush league.
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  10. 02-07-10 03:59 PM #10
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    It cost me $200 and I did not want to make issue out of it st the time... But do u think I can submit a complaint form, although it was it was at the end of November 2009?
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  11. 02-07-10 04:02 PM #11
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    They've been doing this shit nonstop for years. Bet a dog ml, then 12 hours later bet the fave on the spread, and then lock your account and curse you out for line manipulation, delete one of your bets, and make threats to mark bets as automatic losers. I've posted about it before. It's a dead heat on whether their boy Sean is more incompetent or more retarded. And it's not just one or the other, the guy really is a complete imbecile on top of having no clue how to book.
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  12. 02-07-10 04:03 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by UV82 View Post
    It cost me $200 and I did not want to make issue out of it st the time... But do u think I can submit a complaint form, although it was it was at the end of November 2009?
    Go for it . Justin7 can read / he knows it was in november.
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  13. 02-07-10 04:10 PM #13
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    When I disputed that bet cancellation they also threatened me that if I continue doing things like that they will close my account which they subsequently did 2 weeks ago.
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  14. 02-07-10 04:22 PM #14
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    If the above account of the facts are true, then this is indeed bush league.
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  15. 02-07-10 04:32 PM #15
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    complaint form submitted
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  16. 02-07-10 04:55 PM #16
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    When I queried the cancellation they replied with the following (rude message):

    "you are not allowed to take the dog on the spread and the fave on the moneyline. These are the rules that have been set to your account. If you cannot abide by them then we ask that you leave. Jaime"
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  17. 02-07-10 05:14 PM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by UV82 View Post
    When I queried the cancellation they replied with the following (rude message):

    you are not allowed to take the dog on the spread and the fave on the moneyline. These are the rules that have been set to your account. If you cannot abide by them then we ask that you leave. Jaime
    LOL great book with a great costumer service. This is a Cowboy talk .

    Looks like they can apply individual rules for anyone they don't like .Is this a joke?
    I never bet with them . Doesn't look like i ever will .

    SBR should talk them . And ask them for an explanation .
    Really is this normal ? This is total crap .Threaten players and setting individual rules ,telling them what they can and cannot bet .

    What a bull sh*t .
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  18. 02-07-10 06:54 PM #18
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    They can not do that. There is no rule for that!
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  19. 02-07-10 07:16 PM #19
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    Lets see if Carib gets downgraded. Lying and cancelling bets after the game is crooked.

    They are currently at B+

    "The sportsbook's management assures SBR that this was an isolated incident".
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  20. 02-07-10 07:33 PM #20
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    That deserves a downgrade for sure, particularly since they lied to SBR. I bet two anti-correlated props there once, something like receiver ov3.5 receptions and receiver un42 receiving yards, and they told me not to do that again in a rather rude fashion. How the heck are you supposed to know what you can and can't bet in that circumstance? If you bet a team for the game can you not bet their opponent for the second half?
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  21. 02-07-10 08:50 PM #21
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    They're morons and clowns. It's not like they try to hide it either.
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  22. 02-07-10 09:41 PM #22
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    wow what a joke book
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  23. 02-09-10 04:36 PM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by AimingHigh View Post
    Is this just if a bet has become an arb?

    I've made mistakes before (bet 1st set, when I meant to bet on the match result in tennis) and have "bought back" the mistake by betting the other side, though the book's had the full juice on it. How would Carib view that?


    If occasionally a player changes his mind about his bet selection and decides to bet the other result ... that is normal and should be 100% legit... all books who I know would not have a problem with that, Caribs however will not only void the 2nd bet but will also show you the door, which is pathetic.
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  24. 02-09-10 06:44 PM #24
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    I having other problems with this book which will require more appropriate action later, but at the moment I'm focusing on reducing my exposure to them stealing my monies.
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  25. 02-09-10 07:13 PM #25
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    Many books need to be brought in line from time to time... SBR are fulfilling a brilliant function in this regard.
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  26. 02-09-10 09:41 PM #26
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    I have wanted to take some of a wager off the table by betting the other side. I wouldn't hesitate to do it at Cris or 5dimes but Carib sucks like that, even when they are making the juice (i.e. no line move involved). Just another reason not to play with them.
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  27. 02-09-10 11:08 PM #27
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    November shouldn't be a problem.
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  28. 02-09-10 11:08 PM #28
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    Thremp,
    Did you submit your account as well?

    No, this is not B+ treatment.
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  29. 02-09-10 11:10 PM #29
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    Why do people play at these books?
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  30. 02-09-10 11:19 PM #30
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    Carib is an awesome book.
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  31. 02-09-10 11:23 PM #31
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    Carib has a reputation for being a quirky, but fair book. Of course if the book wants to prohibit betting activity like that it should make the software enforce it instead of sending these notes from mgt. Ownership had a clear position against this two years ago. We'll get their side and ask them to restate their position tomorrow.
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    Right, their software should enforce it, if it doesn't enforce it, they can't automatically grade the other side as a loser, plus they shouldn't lie to SBR about their policy.
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  33. 02-10-10 05:34 AM #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dozer View Post
    Thremp, Did you submit your account as well? No, this is not B+ treatment.
    My wager was voided before the game. Which, while ghey, is not fraudulent IMO. I'm having other issues with them, which I'll submit a separate complaint (and thread) for once I reduce my account balance. I prefer to avoid the threat of them taking substantial sums of my money as some sort of perverse recourse.
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  34. 02-13-10 04:08 AM #34
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    Search the forum, but the best complaint I've heard of them doing this was when they flipped when rickysteve played off a bet with a horrendous position, like -7 and +6, and they flipped out. That is truly impressive.
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  35. 02-13-10 05:08 AM #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    Search the forum, but the best complaint I've heard of them doing this was when they flipped when rickysteve played off a bet with a horrendous position, like -7 and +6, and they flipped out. That is truly impressive.
    that's ridiculous
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