[cutter2225]

So the fukk what? 70-1, 700-1 or 7000-1.... makes no difference. Grade this winning bet at the right odds (70-1?), but do the same on all his other bets as well. How is this so difficult for any of you to comprehend?

Only people not comprehending this are the thieves....5Slimes and SBR.

[Dan bouton]

I have no problem with them putting any and all relevant material to the case out for public eye! I'm not trying to mislead or Misguide anybody here! I would feel much better if it were all put out including my deposits withdrawals and most importantly the recorded call to 5dimes. I also want it to be clear that the account was opened on the 3rd of october and the bet was won on like the 14th my deposits in that time was almost 900$ then I stopped cuz I won $ so my bets slowly increase as I win more and more but by seeing that I lost my first 800 or so in a week shows I was going to be spending a lot of money had I lost. Post it please post it all I'm not hiding nothing!
Lou
if I said that in my call it should be irrelivent considering I gave u all documents to review. I mean that's ur job, to find the facts! That's what I emailed hard copies of the facts and I never once spoke to u on the phone u must be overwhelmed with these cases cuz ur mistaken me for someone else! I received two emails from u one informing me u saw my thread and bill posted on it. The other today saying u were unaware I wanted u to look further into this after reading bills post! No pm, no phone calls, no follow ups! I've had more contact ** justo then u and that was like 3 or 4 private messages. Sad but true

[MonkeyF0cker]

Dan,

It doesn't matter if you said the wager should have been 700/1 or not. That's purely diversionary and has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the subsequent wagers should stand.

[Dan bouton]

Help line? I wish I knew there was a phone people actually picked up there cuz I never spoke to anyone! I left voicemails that were ignored emails ignored and pm ignored! I wish I could get the curtousy of a simple phone call so I didn't have to put it on here in hopes of some sort of response. It seems there r more out there with this issue! I have been contacted by another but his issue is far diferent from mine cuz all his $ waswon on that particular bet, mine was not only 3990 was won on that the other38k or so was off straight bets and parlays wich were graded correctly! You guys are saying because of a 3900$ mis grade I should not be paid my other winnings!

[Duff85]

This is a ridiculous ruling by SBR. The guy is owed something for sure and yet all Dozer and lou have done from the moment they arrived in the thread is seek out to discredit the guy. I had faith that SBR was an independent arbitrator of disputes before this case. Justin7 to his credit saw the case independently - unfortunately he was silenced by the hierarchy.

[joeyd2232]

You wouldn't have won that much on the subsequent bets so they should all be regraded accordingly. Its hard to believe you would have immediately deposited more as you risked your last. 57 cents on a 6 team pleaser which seems like a last try desperation shot

[SBR Lou]

I wish I knew there was a phone people actually picked up there cuz I never spoke to anyone! I left voicemails that were ignored emails ignored and pm ignored!

Why would you lie about the stupidest thing? I mean are you serious? That's terrible.

Good luck to you.

[cloverfield]

You wouldn't have won that much on the subsequent bets so they should all be regraded accordingly. Its hard to believe you would have immediately deposited more as you risked your last. 57 cents on a 6 team pleaser which seems like a last try desperation shot

I don't know about everyone but I certainly play some crazy parlays or quick casino games that I normally do not play when I have a little left over in my account. I don't find it odd that he played .57 on a 6 team pleaser.

I've played $5 10 team parlays and then re-deposited when I lost it...it's like taking out a lottery ticket if you have some scraps left in your account...I can't be the only one who does this????

[Dan bouton]

It was not my last .57 cents but I was definitely really low on funds. I definitely would have made I deposit I already had been making regular deposits! The account was ten days old when this bet won and I already deposited approx 900$ in that time aperiod and Then blew most of it on random bets! I then won the 3990. Is it that far fetched to say from Monday, the day I won the bet until Saturday, when I placed the majority of my next bets, I would not have put another grand or two in my acct? That's all I would have needed I did not just flip the 3990 all in one shot I may have risked 1500 the following weekend. I then continued to win and increase wagers weekly. Put my bet history and deposits out here I give my permission to do so!!

[Dan bouton]

Why would you lie about the stupidest thing? I mean are you serious? That's terrible.

Good luck to you.

What r u talking about? How am I lying? Are u saying I spoke to sbr personnel on the phone? If so u got me mixed up with somebody else! I never contacted anybody from sbr prior to filing my complaint! I went right to ur site and filed my complaint there. Me and u then traded a few emails that night to lay out some facts and to send documentation. After that the first thing I got was bills post! What r u talking about?

[Dan bouton]

I never spoke to any sbr personnel on the phone never! Why would I deny that? The only number I have for u guys is the 255-4677 and I never got an answer on it! Believe me if I had a number that I knew u guys answered u would have heard from me already! Does anyone have a number for them??

[Dan bouton]

Lou
phone calls 0
Pm 0
Posts 2 (wich was today)
Emails 4 or 5 with no content as to what was going on just asking a few questions asking for documents saying u received docs and pointing out bills post

Bill
posts 3 phone 0 pm 0 email 0

Justin
post 2 pm 3 saying he can no longer comment on case
phone 0 email 0
These are my communications broken down by person since filing complaint!

[Bill Dozer]

A misgrade is wager graded incorrectly as in team B is the winner instead of team A or miscounting who covered the spread. An example is the Baylor vs Texas game when Don Best posted the score backwards and books graded it. 5 minutes later it was corrected and books regraded it. The 5d rule, which should be more detailed in how its applied, is meant for that kind of scenario. It's not there so that players can take advantage of an obvious payout table or line/price error then bet the ill gotten sum and keep half of what ends up being a big free play roll.

This falls under obvious gross error without question. Come to find out the player got paid 100x the correct payout where we were talking 10x initially. Sure the book made a mistake that should be pointed out, but does that mean the player gets a 3,500 free play? Where do you draw the line, $35,000? Every book has had an extra zero added on at one time or another. In this case it was two zeros. No book is going to let 225,000 in bets stand because he bet it right after he was supposed to be paid only 25k and this rule listed doesn't change that.

Usually when the error is this large the book catches it and reverses it right away. When it's not so obvious the player gets the benefit of the mistake. In this case the player has the best of both...the book makes a big mistake and he gets paid on it. He bets the pleaser only because its 7000-1 instead of 70-1 and scores 3500 and subsequent 11k cashout.

If you argue that well, he would have made those bets anyways, ya maybe he would have and maybe they would have lost and he'd save money. You don't know. All we know is that if you bet with 3465 dollars of the book's money you might run into problems...or you might cashout 11k.

[GoDeViLs]

2 things to add...

The player stated 700-1 was the correct odds but he got 7000-1. Turns out the correct odds were 70-1.

Fwiw 'Dan' had posted 7000-1 on 2p2 before he even started thread here, he also posted 7000-1 in first post. Why are you trying to bring irrelevant and erroneous points up? Trying to discredit him is a shallow attempt to cover-up the fact that SBR does not provide fair arbitration between players and sponsored books. There may be some stupid people on SBR but most see exactly what is happening. It's pretty disgusting.

[rumnblack]

Still no mention of the threats? lol

[Squared Box]

Dozer, can you address the personal threats made by Tony to the guy's family?

[joeyd2232]

Still no mention of the threats? lol

what would you like anyone to do about it?

[rumnblack]

what would you like anyone to do about it?

Just a mention would be nice. SBR can't control how a book talks to its clients but it would be nice if - as a gambling watchdog - they acknowledge that his behavior was wrong.

Makes it look like they don't care because they're a sponsor book you see. You've read the thread right?

[Bill Dozer]

Just a mention would be nice. SBR can't control how a book talks to its clients but it would be nice if - as a gambling watchdog - they acknowledge that his behavior was wrong.

Makes it look like they don't care because they're a sponsor book you see. You've read the thread right?

Obviously it doesn't line up with their reputation as being professional and well run business. Looks like a chat you'd have with your bookie. At a time when offshore in general doesn't want to take on labels it doesn't help. Obviously there is tough talk in chats where there is no other recourse to talk about but debt collectors walking around bringing on attention and causing trouble wouldnt make sense. That would be bad business.

Fwiw 'Dan' had posted 7000-1 on 2p2 before he even started thread here, he also posted 7000-1 in first post. Why are you trying to bring irrelevant and erroneous points up? Trying to discredit him is a shallow attempt to cover-up the fact that SBR does not provide fair arbitration between players and sponsored books. There may be some stupid people on SBR but most see exactly what is happening. It's pretty disgusting.

It's not the 7000, it's that the correct payout was 70 not 700. His 57 cents should have paid him 39 dollars. Not $3900 or whatever it was

[MonkeyF0cker]

A misgrade is wager graded incorrectly as in team B is the winner instead of team A or miscounting who covered the spread. An example is the Baylor vs Texas game when Don Best posted the score backwards and books graded it. 5 minutes later it was corrected and books regraded it. The 5d rule, which should be more detailed in how its applied, is meant for that kind of scenario. It's not there so that players can take advantage of an obvious payout table or line/price error then bet the ill gotten sum and keep half of what ends up being a big free play roll.

This falls under obvious gross error without question. Come to find out the player got paid 100x the correct payout where we were talking 10x initially. Sure the book made a mistake that should be pointed out, but does that mean the player gets a 3,500 free play? Where do you draw the line, $35,000? Every book has had an extra zero added on at one time or another. In this case it was two zeros. No book is going to let 225,000 in bets stand because he bet it right after he was supposed to be paid only 25k and this rule listed doesn't change that.

Usually when the error is this large the book catches it and reverses it right away. When it's not so obvious the player gets the benefit of the mistake. In this case the player has the best of both...the book makes a big mistake and he gets paid on it. He bets the pleaser only because its 7000-1 instead of 70-1 and scores 3500 and subsequent 11k cashout.

If you argue that well, he would have made those bets anyways, ya maybe he would have and maybe they would have lost and he'd save money. You don't know. All we know is that if you bet with 3465 dollars of the book's money you might run into problems...or you might cashout 11k.

That's really sickening, Bill. You guys are losing every ounce of reputation you've built over the years. A lot faster than you earned it too.

[Dan bouton]

Bill not that it really matters. I want to be sure I'm not losing my mind I really have no clue what Lou's talking about? I never spoke to anybody especially him! I've heard more from u and Justin then I have from him! If u listened to my phone call u would hear me address the pay table as well as not wanting to have problems with my balance not covering my bets. 2 people verified this to me. Makes no difference huh? I just don't know what else I could have done?

[rumnblack]

Obviously it doesn't line up with their reputation as being professional and well run business. Looks like a chat you'd have with your bookie. At a time when offshore in general doesn't want to take on labels it doesn't help. Obviously there is tough talk in chats where there is no other recourse to talk about but debt collectors walking around bringing on attention and causing trouble wouldnt make sense. That would be bad business.

Thanks

[Dan bouton]

Also bill r u saying he has a right to claim a 10k debt against me?

[HedgeHog]

A misgrade is wager graded incorrectly as in team B is the winner instead of team A or miscounting who covered the spread. An example is the Baylor vs Texas game when Don Best posted the score backwards and books graded it. 5 minutes later it was corrected and books regraded it. The 5d rule, which should be more detailed in how its applied, is meant for that kind of scenario. It's not there so that players can take advantage of an obvious payout table or line/price error then bet the ill gotten sum and keep half of what ends up being a big free play roll.

This falls under obvious gross error without question. Come to find out the player got paid 100x the correct payout where we were talking 10x initially. Sure the book made a mistake that should be pointed out, but does that mean the player gets a 3,500 free play? Where do you draw the line, $35,000? Every book has had an extra zero added on at one time or another. In this case it was two zeros. No book is going to let 225,000 in bets stand because he bet it right after he was supposed to be paid only 25k and this rule listed doesn't change that.

Usually when the error is this large the book catches it and reverses it right away. When it's not so obvious the player gets the benefit of the mistake. In this case the player has the best of both...the book makes a big mistake and he gets paid on it. He bets the pleaser only because its 7000-1 instead of 70-1 and scores 3500 and subsequent 11k cashout.

If you argue that well, he would have made those bets anyways, ya maybe he would have and maybe they would have lost and he'd save money. You don't know. All we know is that if you bet with 3465 dollars of the book's money you might run into problems...or you might cashout 11k.

Gross error applies to ONLY the bet in question, not every wager thereafter. So correct the winning bet down to its rightful odds and let the rest stand. Two years ago, Tony reduced a winning golf bet I made at generous odds--fine I accepted it. However, it has had no bearing on winnings/losings since--nor should it.

Allowing 5D to cancel all the OP's action after this one bet is wrong. Your best mediator, Justin7, can see this at face value so why can't you? More importantly, why don't you let J7 handle this case like he's been allowed to do in every other high profile dispute? Instead you put your puppet Lou on it.....really? There's your gross error.

[GoDeViLs]

Nothing to see here folks.

[NobodyUKnow]

That's really sickening, Bill. You guys are losing every ounce of reputation you've built over the years. A lot faster than you earned it too.

100% agree.

[Dan bouton]

Seems like sbr only replies to posts that they want to respond to instead of all topics brought to their attention. They only respond to issues they feel like dealing with. This should not be a site that pick n chooses the problems they r willing to deal with. Bill was rightThe way tony spoke to me via chat did not represent how an a+ book should handle a situation like this! On the other hand a highly regarded and respected regulator and watch dog site sbr claims to be would not have handled my complaint this way either!

My azz is soar from all the abuse I've taken this last week! I don't know how much more it could take! Thanks for screwing me 5dimes and friends!

U may have won this battle but the war will go on!

[joeyd2232]

Dude you cashed over 10k you should not have had. Move on

[Kindred]

If this dan guy was trying to "take advantage" of poor tony why wouldn't he just cash everything out ASAP after hitting the bad line???

A newbie square gambler who thought he didn't do anything wrong would keep playing at 5dimes playing like a degen raising bet sizes with every win. The guy went on a nice run and is getting screwed. 5dimes fuckedd up, they should eat it. Instead of threatening him they should have tried to keep his action and see if he'd lose it back. Now the money he did get out will end up in tony's competitors pockets..karma

[Dan bouton]

Dude you cashed over 10k you should not have had. Move on

I'm glad u and like 3 others feel like that! Keep up the good fight buddy u got a lot of people on ur side

[Optional]

Wow.

[SlickRick1382]

So players have to pay for the books employees incompetency I guess ... Looks like a lose - lose proposition every time.

You make a mistake, you lose.
They make a mistake, you lose.

[Dark Horse]

All this stealing by books is disgusting. And the solution could be so simple. Offshore books really shouldn't hold the players funds. It should be in a neutral account. When the player places a bet the money is transferred from the neutral account to the book. Once the bet is graded winnings are immediately transferred back to the neutral account.

[princecharles]

All this stealing by books is disgusting. And the solution could be so simple. Offshore books really shouldn't hold the players funds. It should be in a neutral account. When the player places a bet the money is transferred from the neutral account to the book. Once the bet is graded winnings are immediately transferred back to the neutral account.

Nice in theory my friend, but I see that ending up being ANOTHER tool on the tool belt of slow pay / no pay books, right next to 'processor issues'.

[SBR Lou]

So players have to pay for the books employees incompetency I guess ... Looks like a lose - lose proposition every time.

They make a mistake, you lose.

Except the player didn't lose here. He took what should have been a $39 payout and cashed out nearly $11,000. Everyone is ignoring the fact that he had an extra $3,900 to help balloon his balance up - that was the sportsbook's money, he is already bloody ahead. You guys think that starting $39 not only was enough to quickly make $11,000, but another $32k? I mean really?

I know it seems to tug on heartstrings when it seems like a small player strikes it big and goes against the evil sportsbooks, but the player knew the payout was no good. Just because a Walmart employee gives you 100x your change and he and another cashier don't realize their mistake doesn't mean you should whistle and go stock up your cart with items you couldn't afford simply because you "covered all your bases". It is truly troubling to imagine a world in which we only do the right thing once we are told to.