[Dan bouton]

I want to inform all the sports bettors out their that 5Dimes and Tony the CEO is scamming me for over 32000 $ . I have been betting with him for two months. In this time I've acquired over 44000$. 25k of which was this last weekend. He now refuses to pay stating I was stealing his money.2 months ago when I opened my acct I placed a 6tm pleaser for 57 cents that paid 7000 to 1 this is what the pay scale read as long as I've been a member. however I called prior to winning any bets and asked if my specific payouts were correct. I gave his reps the ticket numbers in question and they assured me it was a correct line and payout and I would be paid the full amount. I asked to speak with a manager then spoke to two seperate reps one man and one woman. Tony knows this is true as he logs and records all phone calls.They stuck to there word cause after it hit I continued to place bets and recirve payouts. Now today he froze my acct and said he will not pay my remaining balance as well as I owe him the 11k he already paid me cause I stole it. This is only after I won 25000 this weekend all of wich was on strait bets and legitimate parlays. The only pay in question is the3900 everything else checks out but he refuses to pay anything stating I needed to point this out to him and not his reps he then threatened to come find me if I don't pay him and to "pay up or sleep well" I have a lot of documentation that sbr has already received and is viewing I'm just waiting on there thoughts or ruling. In his rules on pg 1 of his site this is covered in the rules stating all misgraded wagers are honored by both sides if players acquire a negative balance theyowe the difference no excuses while 5dimes pays any wager pending or won with that same $. I'm sure there are other cases but I think mine is unique in the fact that a) I verified my wager and acct prior to winning the bet to be sure it was not an incorrect pay/line. B) I only won the wager once for 3990 and the rest was on legit wagers

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[cutter2225]

Tony being Tony again. I wish I had an issue with Tony so I could piss myself laughing after he threatened to track me down and insisted I wouldn't sleep well at night.

[Dan bouton]

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[Hankwins]

gee thaks for stating the facts and not posting a long run on paragraph.

[Dan bouton]

Any time hank!! Sorry I don't post threads on my free time it's just not my thing. I've heard it all bad grammar blah blah blah. U don't have to read my post if u have a problem and or comment on it!this is strictly to get the word out. I wan to be as informative as possible so I don't have to keep explaining how this all went down. I have a separate thread at another site where I went through all this already. I just wanted it on here because I see bill and Lou follow up on these threads!

[MARVEL]

Its stuff like this that makes me want to start taking weekend trips to Vegas during the football season to place my bets.

[poker6469]

i will be living in henderson nevada in about 6 months no more off shore sports books for me .nevada has come along way with online sports betting ,you can bet from your cell phone and computer.cant stand the way things are now it was much better years back.

[looneytunes]

2 months ago when I opened my acct I placed a 6tm pleaser for 57 cents that paid 7000 to 1 this is what the pay scale read as long as I've been a member.He then threatened to come find me if I don't pay him and to "pay up or sleep well"

Yea, couldn't possibly be a bad line.

[Dan bouton]

Yea, couldn't possibly be a bad line.

Well as I said I called his reps and spoke to two of them. I gave ticket numbers and the line, wager and pay out, they insisted it was correct and there was no problem! I said u may have a bad line/ pay out they looked it up and said nope it's correct but thanks anyways good luck!

I also have been threatened again by tony! I have a thread on 2+2 with all transcripts of our chats as well as a large following of people! I also explain everything that's taken place so far

[PD77]

How can a 6 team pleaser pay 7000-1?

[Justin7]

7000-1 on a 6-team 6-point pleaser is an obvious error. I don't know how I'd handle it after all this wagering though. I'd probably say honor all wagers between then.

Were you placing many of these? Or just one?

[PD77]

It is an obvious error but if they booked the bet they need to pay it. Didnt 5Dimes have an obvious error in the casino and someone here exploited and Tony said no way they pay. 5Dimes is at least partly responsible here. If the "obvious" error was in 5Dimes favor what would happen? Funny how they instantly fix errors in the players favor and drag their feet when the error favors the house. Pay the man! And if Tony was seriously threatening him I dont see how SBR can sit on the fence on this one. Time to put the foot down.

[Duff85]

Saw this thread over the road at 2+2 and was waiting for it to be posted over here. Make no bones about it 5Dimes is in the wrong here and Tony was taking a shot at this guy. 5Dimes shouldn't have to honour the mispriced pleaser, but the rest of the bets they do have an obligation to pay. If they had reversed this a day or so after the fact they may have a case to reverse all the wagers - the fact that they reviewed his account and cashed him out some money and then let him run it up further before claiming the mistake is on them.

Be interesting to see what happens here - it will certainly hold a lot of sway with how I view 5Dimes. I have usually found Tony to be in the right with most of the shot taking clowns that he has to deal with - this time he is being completely unreasonable.

From reading the thread over there OP does tend to be on the frantic and whiney side - but don't let that distract you from the fact that 5Dimes is stealing his money here.

[Dan bouton]

7000-1 on a 6-team 6-point pleaser is an obvious error. I don't know how I'd handle it after all this wagering though. I'd probably say honor all wagers between then.

Were you placing many of these? Or just one?

I placed a few but I only won it once for 3990 the rest of the money was won on legit wagers. U can view a full thread with multiple explanations at 2+2 under sports betting forum. All chats are logged as well as the pleaser payout on that thred!

[Dan bouton]

Saw this thread over the road at 2+2 and was waiting for it to be posted over here. Make no bones about it 5Dimes is in the wrong here and Tony was taking a shot at this guy. 5Dimes shouldn't have to honour the mispriced pleaser, but the rest of the bets they do have an obligation to pay. If they had reversed this a day or so after the fact they may have a case to reverse all the wagers - the fact that they reviewed his account and cashed him out some money and then let him run it up further before claiming the mistake is on them.

Be interesting to see what happens here - it will certainly hold a lot of sway with how I view 5Dimes. I have usually found Tony to be in the right with most of the shot taking clowns that he has to deal with - this time he is being completely unreasonable.

From reading the thread over there OP does tend to be on the frantic and whiney side - but don't let that distract you from the fact that 5Dimes is stealing his money here.

I appreciate u looking past my inexperience in these threads as well as calling bs on Tony's part! I'm a little frantic cuz I got some multi millionaire making threats to me and my family. This does not sit well with me! Since u saw the thread at 2+2 u seen the chats and no the details of the situation. U can see I took the proper steps to prevent this from happening in the first place! I only posted it here cuz sbr has all the fact as well as both sides of this story and I wan my story backed up so everyone knows I'm putting facts out there and not bs! I also had another chat posted over there today with more threats from tony the "a+ bookie"!

[penstothecup]

Holy shit, Tony threatening you with physical violence?? I just read the entire thread at 2+2. One thing you should know Dan.. Dont expect too much help from sbr. 5dimes sends sbr (Bill Dozier) and pretty nice check each month and that basically buys their "ruling" in situations like this. If this case involved a non sponsor book, they would order the book to pay, blacklist the book, make videos and news releases about the book, etc. But when it involves a sponsor book, its a completely different tune.

There are not too many other places to go. Just dont be fooled into thinking you are going to get a fair ruling from sbr.

[unluckysob]

Played plenty of pleasers at 5ds----6 teams---$1 pays $350.---

[Dan bouton]

Holy shit, Tony threatening you with physical violence?? I just read the entire thread at 2+2. One thing you should know Dan.. Dont expect too much help from sbr. 5dimes sends sbr (Bill Dozier) and pretty nice check each month and that basically buys their "ruling" in situations like this. If this case involved a non sponsor book, they would order the book to pay, blacklist the book, make videos and news releases about the book, etc. But when it involves a sponsor book, its a completely different tune.

There are not too many other places to go. Just dont be fooled into thinking you are going to get a fair ruling from sbr.

I guess we will find out!! 99% of the people who read the thred at 2+2 is waiting for the outcome and feel 5d is wrong here and should pay(-3900)) they also feel sbr should put the hammer down for the threats! Black listing a criminal ent may be in order here! I guess will find out soon enough if 5d does the right thing!

[unluckysob]

thats 6 teams---6 points---pays 350---1---

[muffins]

I'm a little frantic cuz I got some multi millionaire making threats to me and my family.

Bets the hell out of having a broke crackhead threatening you, at least the millionaire has a lot to lose if he does something!

[Bill Dozer]

I think as time passes, the OP will realize how lucky he was if he doesn't already. There was an obvious error that gave the player a shot at free money. He won. Im not implying it was malicious or he knew the math but he knew enough to question it. The clerk didn't know enough to review it with mgt. Instead of it being canceled he had a free roll. A very small bettor was able to let it rip with the books money. The book still didn't notice it and he took out 11k.

Dan, You have $11,000 in your pocket because someone made a mistake and added an extra zero.

[Dan bouton]

I think as time passes, the OP will realize how lucky he was if he doesn't already. There was an obvious error that gave the player a shot at free money. He won. Im not implying it was malicious or he knew the math but he knew enough to question it. The clerk didn't know enough to review it with mgt. Instead of it being canceled he had a free roll. A very small bettor was able to let it rip with the books money. The book still didn't notice it and he took out 11k.

Dan, You have $11,000 in your pocket because someone made a mistake and added an extra zero.

Bill what about these threats and accusations of me being a thief! Do u feel I stole his money? Did I not follow proper protocall by pointing this out prior to winning! What about his rule that makes the customer responsible for any lost $ due to a mis grade and 5d honoring pending wagers! I can understand if I won the $ all off that bet but I did not. Listen to my convo with cs! I cover everything including that I wanted to be sure I had $ in my acct to cover future wagers! Had I not been paid wrong I would have funded this acct. it's unfair to say I was a small player when I put nearly 1k in this acct in a weeks time! If I were to continue to deposit at this rate I would have put 7 k in the acct by now not to mention I was limited to 250 deposits cuz the acct was new and that's what I was allowed on my first 3! I now could deposit 500 per day via cc but was told it was unnecessary because I had a large balance!! 5d reputation will be damaged for this and if u guys follow suit I don't think people will value your future rulings! This is wrong and his rules clearly state these circumstances and how they are handled! Unfortunately they are not following them! I encourage u to post a full article on this with my phone log that was placed to 5d prior to winning the bet!

[Dan bouton]

Also bill I have 3990 in my pocket from that error not 11k! The rest was won on legit wagers! I'm out 32.5 k because of it! If I thought this would come back to bite me I could have easily took out the 4k and played all my future wagers at a diferent book and won the rest of the $ legitimately! I then would have owed 5d 3990 cuz I took out the $ from a misgrade! I never did this because I felt I took all steps to make sure my acct was on the up and up and this could not happen to me! I've already posted call logs on 2+2 they can all be posted on here if u want to u guys have my logs and documentation! I'm blown away by your comments though especially if u have all the facts on my case! Ur implying I would not have put in 2 k or so to get the run I had started! That is all I would have had to invest at most to win the $ regardless if the mistake was made or not! What if I had 2k in my acct then won the wager to make my balance prior to my run 6k or so! Does this change things? I see how this is complicated but in the end 5d is cheating there customers and u advertise them as an a+ book! It's also run by a thug/criminal who thinks people are privelaged to put there $ in his hands! I really don't believe this please call me and explain ASAP!!!

[wrongturn]

Not only 5D take away all existing balance, Tony takes a hard stand by demanding OP to return all the money he had won, which is about 10K (11K payount minus <1K deposit). Otherwise OP will be put in black list and may or may not "sleep well". The heritage case sounds like a kid play compared to this.

[Bill Dozer]

Like I said in the post before I'm not implying you are a thief. Maybe you would have bet something on some of those subsequent plays but not the initial ones. Now, had you lost all those subsequent plays it didn't cost you a deposit because it was found money. Maybe you only bet 57 cents on the play because it paid 7000-1? Maybe you lucked out by the clerk giving you the answer you needed to better make the case had you won. Ultimately intention doesn't matter.

Whatever you thought initially aside, you were paid 10x too much on a bet for your last 57 cents. You now undoubtedly know you were paid 10x too much....1000% of what you should have been paid had they readjusted the payout for the obvious mistake rule.

[burgaweddie]

Pretty obvious the line was wrong, you knew it when you posted the bet. You knew it because you even say you called them. Bet should have been voided then, just because they made a mistake does not give you the right to the $$$$. You then took money you won illegally, and rebet it making more illegal money. 5 dimes has every right to void all of your winnings, they do not have the right to threaten you so on that point you are correct. I have been using dimes for some time now and never had any problems with any segment of the company. I have had on a couple occasions payouts showing an incorrect payout, I knew it was wrong and left it alone to avoid crap you are going through now.

[PD77]

Sorry Sherlock , legalities don't come in to play here. What about all the people that were ripped off over the years with their crooked casino software that was finally brought to light by the Wizard of Odds , Michael Shackleford? Did the players that were cheated out of their money offered a refund or settlement? Hell no, they were shit out of luck. Now the shoe is on the other foot and once again SBR sides with the sportsbook.

[rsigley]

wasn't he paid 100x as much not 10x as much?

[mcduggly]

I don't think the issue here is the OP receiving more money than he should have received for this wager. There are a few things that pop out to me:

1. People in live chat do not have the minimal credentials to be in the positions they are in. These people are clueless. I've run into numerous encounters of customer service having no idea what they were talking about.
2. Tony is the biggest fukking douche in the online sports gambling industry. He's the CEO of one of the "top" books on the web and he acts like a 14-year-old kid. He never ceases to threaten his customers and takes accidents or miscommunications to a whole different level than what they should.
3. How many of these complaints about Tony and 5dimes is SBR going to absorb before finally reducing their grade? Sure, some bettors have good experiences there, but in the past few months there have been countless threads started about how a new person was mistreated by 5dimes and their F-rated customer service and Tony. This is annoying and ridiculous.

[housenuts]

I think as time passes, the OP will realize how lucky he was if he doesn't already. There was an obvious error that gave the player a shot at free money. He won. Im not implying it was malicious or he knew the math but he knew enough to question it. The clerk didn't know enough to review it with mgt. Instead of it being canceled he had a free roll. A very small bettor was able to let it rip with the books money. The book still didn't notice it and he took out 11k.

Dan, You have $11,000 in your pocket because someone made a mistake and added an extra zero.

I see how this is complicated but in the end 5d is cheating there customers and u advertise them as an a+ book! It's also run by a thug/criminal who thinks people are privelaged to put there $ in his hands!

Bill, your decision seems to state that 5d is in the right and Dan is lucky to be up 10k. I don't agree with that decision, but I won't argue it.

Even if 5d is fully in the right, my main issue is Tony's threats. There's no way any sportsbook should be rated an A+ book when their manager threatens the well-being of its customers. This action alone should downgrade them somewhere in the B range as it is completely unacceptable!

[Dan bouton]

Yes bill as time passes I will feel lucky I got 10k that now costs me and my family the freedom of walking out of our house at night without the fear of being attacked by some thugs! U read his chat it's out of his hands the people comming for me believe his story and that's all that matters! Also I should be packing my bags! I feel real lucky that what I thought was harmless fun/bets would have me fearing for my children's and my own life! The lucky people are the ones getting kickbacks for giving a+ratings! I did what I needed to do to protect my acct! They messed up they dropped the ball not me! They should pay not me! Anybody who knows the whole story agree and if not they r wrong! I still want to know what else I could have done and why u guys would deny that this is not covered in his misgrade rule making players responsible for lost $ and 5d pay pending or won $! It's not my problem they took 6wks to get their sht together!

[penstothecup]

PD77 and Mcduggly are both right. What people dont realize is the facts of the case makes no difference to sbr. They will find a way to spin the story any way they want to side with the book. Last year when the Ezstreet casino case and 5dimes casino case happened within weeks of each other, sbr magically sided with the player in the Ezstreet case and coincidentally sided with 5dimes (sponsor book) in the other case.

In this case, the OP clearly had been making deposit after deposit with 5dimes and clearly would have continued to make deposits had this pleaser lost. So therefore 5dimes has no right to confiscate all his winnings because of THEIR error. He would have had those winnings anyway (less the 3,900). The player in no way shuuld get screwed by the books error and he even asked the book about his wager beforehand. If you are new player with a book and dont know the right person to talk to, what are you supposed to do? These cust service reps at book are speaking to the player on the books behalf...yet whenever they make an error, the player gets screwed and the book is protected???

Im not sure who the OP got at sbr to handle this dispute, but if it was Corrupt Bill or Slimmy Lou, he is 0 chance of getting a fair shake and everyone on this shitbox of a forum knows it. And everyone also knows that if this involved betus or sportsbook.com, that this would make the front page at sbr and there would be videos about this made immediately. It really has become so sad and even more amazing what Dozier will do for a buck.

Hey Bill, here's a sawbuck, now cluck like a chicken.

[Dan bouton]

Bill
this was not my last .57 cents either! I also had a 6 or 7 team parlay for lil 1.5 or 2$ that won on that same day! This put my balance at4036.84$ so minus the 3990 and add 39.90 puts my acct at +87$ or so at this point I could add $ and place all my other wagers and have no issues! Being told there is no mistake I chose not to add $! Again not my fault 5d should take responsibility considering I followed proper procedure! Had this been found a few days later and I lost 2k 5d would charge me the $ and rightfully so and u would agree with that ruling as well because this has happened in the past! Why is there a double standard here! U say I'm a small player but I lost 800$ in a week or two and I continued making deposits until I reached a balance where I was able to place my larger bets! Everybody tries to put as little money as possible in an acct then make $ off of that and use it to place your other wagers! I do it at a casino a sb anywhere u increase ur bets when it's the houses $ & not ur own!!

[Trident]

2. Tony is the biggest fukking douche in the online sports gambling industry. He's the CEO of one of the "top" books on the web and he acts like a 14-year-old kid. He never ceases to threaten his customers and takes accidents or miscommunications to a whole different level than what they should.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[ForgetWallStreet]

Now, had you lost all those subsequent plays it didn't cost you a deposit because it was found money.

5 Dimes would have taken his balance negative had he lost per their own terms:

In the event an account reaches a negative balance due to the re-grade of an event, all in-progress pending wagers will stand and be honored. Since winning wagers in this instance will be honored, immediate settlement of losing wagers is also expected.
Customers are responsible for settling all negative accounts. "Ignorance", "I wouldn't have made that last bet if I knew my balance would have been negative", or "It's not my fault the wager was graded wrong", will not be accepted as excuses for non-settlement of negative balances.