[stevenash]

If the book knew he was a scammer, why didnt they refused to take his money in the first place?

This, I have a problem with.

[king]

Robot or no Robot a lot of people get blame if they win. A great example is RainKhan he was playing 20+ sit and gos at pokerstars. He made a video proof and took top 10 at the wsop main event. Then pokerstars signed him up as part of their team. Funny how they banned him and put him back and put him on the pokerstars team.

Is easystreet casino rigged I would have to say yes according to all that was said. Now I figure out how the casino are rigged/ semi rigged every where.

[Dark Horse]

Interesting post from Wil over there at the arr ex


FYI on one royal Cory1111 was dealt K-Q-J-10 of spades and another off suit king. Whatever was playing the hand broke up the kings and drew to the four card royal and hit the ace of spades for a profit of $19,750 then promptly moved on to the next hand in 3.8 seconds. In all - the three Royals were left visible on the screen for a total of 12.3 seconds combined which was one of the key pieces of evidence that the game was being played by a bot which treats a royal like a pair of jacks as far as dwelling on it.

Think about how any of you guys would react to a $20K winner risking $25 bucks. Human nature is to admire the hand for a bit of time at least, most people would jump for joy, call their wife or friend over and above all things make a screen shot. Had he made screen shots I don't believe Ez St would have a case because that would mean he stopped the game for however much time it takes to make the shots.

Not to mention the machine has to add 4000 credits to the credits available total. I know computers are fast but we are still looking at least 1 second for that process to happen.

Ez St Tech Support did some research for me and checked on a good sized number of other players at Ez St who play the same game themselves and not a single regular (that is all they checked, no one timers) came anywhere close to 17.4 hands per minute. Most average less than ten per minute. Only Cory1111 had a number like that.

More amazing is the concentration it takes to sit at a machine for 5 hours and 26 minutes strait and play 5848 hands in that time to maintain that 17.4 per minute average all the while playing excellent if not perfect strategy.

In all seriousness I have a hard time watching TV for five hours and 26 minutes straight without stopping to use the bathroom, grab a soda or a sandwich etc never mind use total concentration playing poker for 5 plus hours without stopping. In order to do anything except play he had to play nonstop without even a bathroom break for the entire session. There no gaps large enough for a human to even stand up and stretch their legs for a bit between the entire 5000 plus hands never mind go to the bathroom.

Some of mention there are different times mostly in split seconds or up to 2 or 3 seconds in some cases. No gaps long enough to do anything other than stay seated for the next hand are apparent during the entire session. It's very possible the bot has to compute what cards to discard on certain hands to maintain the desired programmed strategy. I am only talking a second or two but it is a feasible theory.

There is no question that poker bots do exist (read 2+2 forum) so I don't see why one has to be ruled out of the question here.

All speculation. Not a single fact.

The only fact is that EZS used such speculation to steal 46K.

[pokerplayer22]

The player did pause for 19 minutes after one of the royals. Did he program a bot to pause for 19 minutes after one royal and not at all after another? I doubt that. Also, if i am dealt 4/5's of a royal and have a chance at 20k, you bet your ass Im going to break up 2 kings which only pays the minimum...who wouldnt??? That would be considered perfect strategy and i dont need a bot to do that.

[LostBankroll]

People swear SBR will help them out if they get frauded but please let this be an example that if a book wanted to scam the shit out of you it would be quiet easy and SBR has NO SAY if you get paid or not. Scam operation this SBR reminds me of the European Union, Federal Reserve and Adolf Hitler all in one. LOL

[pokerplayer22]

People swear SBR will help them out if they get frauded but please let this be an example that if a book wanted to scam the shit out of you it would be quiet easy and SBR has NO SAY if you get paid or not. Scam operation this SBR reminds me of the European Union, Federal Reserve and Adolf Hitler all in one. LOL

Interesting that Adolf Hitler and Alex Powers are mentioned in the same thread...Hmm kinda makes you think...Anyway, SBR does the best they can. Its not like they can go to basement that EZ runs their business out of and stick a gun in Powers' face. What i will say, however, is that SBR needs to downgrade EZstreet to a D- or F asap and post warnings about this scam outfit

[stevex]

EZStreet just lowered my rollover amount from 10x to 8x!

Good CS, free payouts on Tuesdays. Can't beat it.

[LostBankroll]

Interesting that Adolf Hitler and Alex Powers are mentioned in the same thread...Hmm kinda makes you think...Anyway, SBR does the best they can. Its not like they can go to basement that EZ runs their business out of and stick a gun in Powers' face. What i will say, however, is that SBR needs to downgrade EZstreet to a D- or F asap and post warnings about this scam outfit

And what will this do? Will this mean they will payhim in full if they are downgraded? Doubt it. Plus what about those who dont even know about SBR, they will be ****** regardless of an A or F book. I just dont like how SBR tries to act like the big shit yet when they are faced with a more complex situation, they almost NEVER get it resolved. SBR can suck a nut.

[HedgeHog]

LB:

Let's be fair, SBR was not allowed to participate in this particular dispute. EZ used the leverage of their ad $$$ to get Wilheim to decide for them. And for the record, SBR has helped me in several slow-pay and a few no-pay situations.

[increasedodds]

SBR may have no power in this dispute but they certainly have power in their ratings and EZ is currently rated C+ ????

[PoweRay]

People swear SBR will help them out if they get frauded but please let this be an example that if a book wanted to scam the shit out of you it would be quiet easy and SBR has NO SAY if you get paid or not. Scam operation this SBR reminds me of the European Union, Federal Reserve and Adolf Hitler all in one. LOL

How can you say that? Every SBR employee would help anyone here, and in most cases its not just the posters here, but posters who sign up for the first time asking for help. SBR never charges a cent for their help either. But bottom line is that we are all still at the Book's mercy as some don't give a sht about bad ratings. Same with local bookies, if you get stiffed, you can't take them to court.

[BrianLaverty]

This is ridiculous.

EZStreet is just another spoirtsbook who can't afford to pay 46k.. bottom line.

I will delete my account with them, and request they never call m ever again.... as everyone on this board should do

[Counterfeit Cash]

This is ridiculous.

EZStreet is just another spoirtsbook who can't afford to pay 46k.. bottom line.

I will delete my account with them, and request they never call m ever again.... as everyone on this board should do

I there with ya, bro...this is just a terrible thing to happen to what was a seemingly good book. Too many signs point to some form of scam/theft in this instance though. Shame EZ would go that rout.

[Sdotbold]

any time i see bonuses especially up to 40 percent bonus i think it is a deposit only book. i am sure if you wanna cash out 100 bucks or so they will gladly accomadate. any real amount of money will be a problem.

[SBR_John]

SBR may have no power in this dispute but they certainly have power in their ratings and EZ is currently rated C+ ????

Their pending drop in rating coupled with the many Googled articles on them will eventually put them down.

These scams are followed by the industry, managers and industry insiders. By now there is not a sole in the industry that is not aware of this stiff job. I can assure you no reputable company wants to see their reputation destroyed like this.

[macoeric]

This is ridiculous.

EZStreet is just another spoirtsbook who can't afford to pay 46k.. bottom line.

I will delete my account with them, and request they never call m ever again.... as everyone on this board should do

[stevenash]

EZStreet is just another spoirtsbook who can't afford to pay 46k.. bottom line.

So you are saying they don't have 46K?
You know this, how exactly?

[jogumon]

Interesting post from Wil over there at the arr ex

...

Not to mention the machine has to add 4000 credits to the credits available total. I know computers are fast but we are still looking at least 1 second for that process to happen.

...

Not even close. It's a simple addition of two numbers. Doesn't matter whether the number is 4 or 4,000 or 4,000,000. It still take a tiny fraction of a second.

[Keith Richard]

I was seriously considering reloading here but now I wouldn't consider it. I suspect Cory is at least a bit shady but I do think he should be paid in this case.

[PRC]

I was seriously considering reloading here but now I wouldn't consider it. I suspect Cory is at least a bit shady but I do think he should be paid in this case.

same here

[mikeyg]

They will get theirs.

They are just a poor little outfit that got exposed for the scammers they are. Just be happy that they have been exposed for the pieces of shit they are so nobody else get screwed

[TobiasFunke]

This is big...without the backing of SBR and its community there's no way they will make it, and quite frankly, they don't deserve to.

[SportsMozart]

I followed them closely for a while and just when I got my deposit in they started to steal like lowlife scumbags... Now all one can do is the get done with rollover and withdraw. Theft is like killing, painful at first but get's addictive really fast. First step on that path will likely will be followed by the second step soon and then third. Up to the point where they don't give a damn anymore . It is very much a Sportsbook.com syndrome. EZ rating will be lowered and they gonna lose most of their future customers. Good job Powers! Good job!

[Justin7]

I am talking to Wilheim, who is talking to EZStreet. The first priority is trying to get the player paid. EZStreet can still salvage this situation if they look at all evidence available, and make things right.

Despite the posts against Powers, I don't think he is "bad". I have spoken to him. I understand his perspective, though I disagree with it.

There are ridiculous things going on in the casino. 100% bonus with 25x casino rollover? And effectively a 5% rebate on your losses? Cory told me that Marvin increased his rebate loss to 10% because he played in the Casino so much. If you do the math on a 99.5% game like Jacks or Better, EZStreet's bonus program is guaranteed to explode in their face. Whether it was Cory or an honest bonus hustler, EZ had no chance. One minor disclaimer -- I don't know EZ's position on this, since they asked I not contact them anymore.

Why did this happen? And why did Marvin increase the rebate loss on an already +EV player game? The simplest explanation is that Marvin is not an expert casino player (and most casino managers are not). He sees a player losing deposit after deposit, and adds a little incentive to lose more, not seeing the big picture.

The same lack of experience that allowed the ridiculous bonus and rebate offers might have contributed to the incorrect robot assessment. If EZ recognizes their error, pays the player, and fixes their bonus structure so that it isn't throwing away money, it might survive this dispute with some credibility. If it clings to its bot defense after the damning game logs were posted at TheRx, they might as well close shop.

[pokerplayer22]

I am talking to Wilheim, who is talking to EZStreet. The first priority is trying to get the player paid. EZStreet can still salvage this situation if they look at all evidence available, and make things right.

Despite the posts against Powers, I don't think he is "bad". I have spoken to him. I understand his perspective, though I disagree with it.

There are ridiculous things going on in the casino. 100% bonus with 25x casino rollover? And effectively a 5% rebate on your losses? Cory told me that Marvin increased his rebate loss to 10% because he played in the Casino so much. If you do the math on a 99.5% game like Jacks or Better, EZStreet's bonus program is guaranteed to explode in their face. Whether it was Cory or an honest bonus hustler, EZ had no chance. One minor disclaimer -- I don't know EZ's position on this, since they asked I not contact them anymore.

Why did this happen? And why did Marvin increase the rebate loss on an already +EV player game? The simplest explanation is that Marvin is not an expert casino player (and most casino managers are not). He sees a player losing deposit after deposit, and adds a little incentive to lose more, not seeing the big picture.

The same lack of experience that allowed the ridiculous bonus and rebate offers might have contributed to the incorrect robot assessment. If EZ recognizes their error, pays the player, and fixes their bonus structure so that it isn't throwing away money, it might survive this dispute with some credibility. If it clings to its bot defense after the damning game logs were posted at TheRx, they might as well close shop.

Justin...shouldnt they be downgraded to an F until they make this right??? They can always be upgraded later

[mtneer1212]

I do not believe that the player will ever see 44K....... perhaps a negotiated amount, but no way for 44K. The line in the sand has been drawn. It is so tough to support either side in this case -- both parties are obviously not full of integrity here.

[SBR_John]

I also give them little chance to survive.

If they leave their bonus structure unchanged they will be forced to rip off all future corey's. And once these books get the taste of ripping off players it always gets worse.

[neverstoppers23]

I dunno, I know I am going to get a lot of haters on this one. But It sounds like to me, this guy is shaddy as ****, and he used a bot. So, I am going to have to side with easy. on this one. It isn't as clear cut as a casino making up an excuse to take away winnings lke some here claim they are.

[McFly86]

Interesting post from Wil over there at the arr ex


FYI on one royal Cory1111 was dealt K-Q-J-10 of spades and another off suit king. Whatever was playing the hand broke up the kings and drew to the four card royal and hit the ace of spades for a profit of $19,750 then promptly moved on to the next hand in 3.8 seconds. In all - the three Royals were left visible on the screen for a total of 12.3 seconds combined which was one of the key pieces of evidence that the game was being played by a bot which treats a royal like a pair of jacks as far as dwelling on it.

Think about how any of you guys would react to a $20K winner risking $25 bucks. Human nature is to admire the hand for a bit of time at least, most people would jump for joy, call their wife or friend over and above all things make a screen shot. Had he made screen shots I don't believe Ez St would have a case because that would mean he stopped the game for however much time it takes to make the shots.

Not to mention the machine has to add 4000 credits to the credits available total. I know computers are fast but we are still looking at least 1 second for that process to happen.

Ez St Tech Support did some research for me and checked on a good sized number of other players at Ez St who play the same game themselves and not a single regular (that is all they checked, no one timers) came anywhere close to 17.4 hands per minute. Most average less than ten per minute. Only Cory1111 had a number like that.

More amazing is the concentration it takes to sit at a machine for 5 hours and 26 minutes strait and play 5848 hands in that time to maintain that 17.4 per minute average all the while playing excellent if not perfect strategy.

In all seriousness I have a hard time watching TV for five hours and 26 minutes straight without stopping to use the bathroom, grab a soda or a sandwich etc never mind use total concentration playing poker for 5 plus hours without stopping. In order to do anything except play he had to play nonstop without even a bathroom break for the entire session. There no gaps large enough for a human to even stand up and stretch their legs for a bit between the entire 5000 plus hands never mind go to the bathroom.

Some of mention there are different times mostly in split seconds or up to 2 or 3 seconds in some cases. No gaps long enough to do anything other than stay seated for the next hand are apparent during the entire session. It's very possible the bot has to compute what cards to discard on certain hands to maintain the desired programmed strategy. I am only talking a second or two but it is a feasible theory.

There is no question that poker bots do exist (read 2+2 forum) so I don't see why one has to be ruled out of the question here.

What speculative crap.

In your opinion, what is an "acceptable" period to wait after hitting a royal?

In your opinion, what is an "acceptable" numbers of hands per minute?

Also, how do you feel that the book has been prejudiced? At the worst, it appears that the player was playing fast.

[McFly86]

On what basis can the book require him to fly to a foreign country and submit himself to testing?

On what basis does the book say that polygraph testing is reliable?

On what basis are the allegations of previous fraud relevant? In my opinion, the player should consider advice re defamation proceedings against the book.

[neverstoppers23]

On what basis can the book require him to fly to a foreign country and submit himself to testing?

On what basis does the book say that polygraph testing is reliable?

On what basis are the allegations of previous fraud relevant? In my opinion, the player should consider advice re defamation proceedings against the book.

Polygraph testing is not like it used to be, in today's terms, it has a very high accuracy rate. I just don't see why the person would not subject himself to one, its not like we are talking about junk change a 500 dollar in winnings. This is a years salary to most people.

[McFly86]

Polygraph testing is not like it used to be, in today's terms, it has a very high accuracy rate. I just don't see why the person would not subject himself to one, its not like we are talking about junk change a 500 dollar in winnings. This is a years salary to most people.

This argument is absurd.

Either there is:

1. Basis to deny payment due to fraud
2. No such basis, and the player is entitled to pamynet


There is no reason why the player should have to provide further evidence; evidence which can only be used against himself. This is just a freeroll for the book.

Polygraph testing is terribly inaccurate and has been repeatedly and thoroughly discredited in the courts.

I would also be VERY concerned for my personal safety flying out there

[HedgeHog]

The burden of proof is on EZ and they haven't come close to meeting it. Further, with an obvious conflict of interest present, Wilheim should recuse himself from deciding this matter-- as any honorable judge should. He can certainly help the parties settle, but in no way should his paid for opinion be binding.

[MBENZ]

EZ is stumbling and fumbling around to find a way to justify their stiff job.I'm glad it is a crap book doing this and not one that has credibility.This could set a bad precedent but I think the books with integrity would not stoop or fall into this line of doing business.Stick a fork in EZ even if they try to settle.

[pjesnik24]

I am talking to Wilheim, who is talking to EZStreet. The first priority is trying to get the player paid. EZStreet can still salvage this situation if they look at all evidence available, and make things right.

Despite the posts against Powers, I don't think he is "bad". I have spoken to him. I understand his perspective, though I disagree with it.

There are ridiculous things going on in the casino. 100% bonus with 25x casino rollover? And effectively a 5% rebate on your losses? Cory told me that Marvin increased his rebate loss to 10% because he played in the Casino so much. If you do the math on a 99.5% game like Jacks or Better, EZStreet's bonus program is guaranteed to explode in their face. Whether it was Cory or an honest bonus hustler, EZ had no chance. One minor disclaimer -- I don't know EZ's position on this, since they asked I not contact them anymore.

Why did this happen? And why did Marvin increase the rebate loss on an already +EV player game? The simplest explanation is that Marvin is not an expert casino player (and most casino managers are not). He sees a player losing deposit after deposit, and adds a little incentive to lose more, not seeing the big picture.

The same lack of experience that allowed the ridiculous bonus and rebate offers might have contributed to the incorrect robot assessment. If EZ recognizes their error, pays the player, and fixes their bonus structure so that it isn't throwing away money, it might survive this dispute with some credibility. If it clings to its bot defense after the damning game logs were posted at TheRx, they might as well close shop.

how is this going to reflect on the recent betfair casino bonus scam? should not they be downgraded much more for scamming many more people for much more money and not even claiming somebody broke their T&R?