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    EasyStreetSports decision

    EasyStreetSports Steals $46,000 from Casino Player

    On March 13, 2011, a player wrote SBR complaining that EasyStreetsports would not pay him his casino winnings. SBR contacted the sportsbook, which accused the player of using a “bot” to play the game “Jacks or Better” in its casino. The accusation was made after the player won three Royal Flushes over several play sessions, and requested a payout.

    The sportsbook had this rule in place:
    Artificial Intelligence - Robots:
    You are not allowed to use any software program which, in our opinion, is endowed with artificial intelligence ("AI Software") in connection with your use of the Service. We constantly review the use of the Service in order to detect the use of AI Software and in the event that we deem it has been used we reserve the right to take any action we see fit, including immediately blocking access to the Service to the offending user, terminating such user's account and seizing all monies held in such account.

    EasyStreetSports stated that the player played with perfect strategy, and at a rate of just under 18 hands per minute for about five hours. SBR requested the player’s hand log to verify this. The sportsbook agreed to provide this, but it was never given. The sportsbook stated that the player hit three Royal Flushes at an average of one per 2900 hands, and did not take a pause after winning any of those Royals. The sportsbook argued that the player’s speed of play, and his failure to pause after his winning hands was clear proof that the player was using a “bot” program to play all his hands. The player confirmed that he did not pause immediately on two of the three royals, but said he paused on one of them. The sportsbook argued that because the player cheated by using a bot, all of his winnings were void. There was no claim that the player manipulated his software; the player’s history was submitted to DGS (the casino game programmer) which found no abnormalities.

    The sportsbook argued that the player used a “bot”, violated their rule against A.I. robots, and therefore would not be paid. The general rule is that if a player wins, the sportsbook owes the player his entire balance. If the sportsbook is confiscating a player balance, the sportsbook must prove by clear and convincing evidence that it is entitled to the player’s funds. If it fails to do so, it is obligated to pay the player.

    There was No Rule Violation

    If all the facts claimed by EasyStreetSports are accepted as true, it has still failed to prove that the player violated its rules. A sportsbook has the ability to implement rules that are enforceable on players. Because it writes the rules, the rules must be written clearly so that there is no confusion or disagreement as to what the rules mean. A sportsbook user agreement, including a prohibition on “A.I. Robots” is nothing more than a contract. If the terms are not clear, the player gets the benefit of any doubts. EasyStreetSports can only take a player’s balance when the player clearly broke their rules, and taking the player’s balance is fair.

    EasyStreetSports’ rule against “Artificial Intelligence Robots” does not clearly prohibit a player from using a basic strategy robot to play in its casino. If you review the definition of “intelligence” from the Merriam-Webster dictionary (available at http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intelligence), it defines intelligence as (1) : the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : REASON; also : the skilled use of reason(2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria. At worst, the sportsbook’s rule does not ban a robot without an “A.I.” which does not learn from its environment. At best, the rule is unclear as to what is banned, creating a gray area in the agreement. In either case, EasyStreetSports’ restrictions are construed narrowly against the sportsbook, which wrote them. As the “Artificial Intelligence Robots” restriction is not clear, it does not ban robot play.

    EasyStreet Failed to Prove its Defense, Regardless of Rule Interpretation

    Even if the rule clearly prohibited a bot from playing the game, EasyStreetsports has not proven that this occurred. The sportsbook stated that it had circumstantial evidence that the player used a bot. This included the player’s speed, accuracy, and lack of pauses after winning. However, it never produced game logs. Even if the logs could substantiate EasyStreetSports’ claims (and the player admits that he could play fast and accurately), this is not clear and convincing evidence that a bot was used.

    Resolution

    SBR recommended that EasyStreetSports pay the player in full. After this recommendation, the sportsbook asked for additional time to respond in order to conduct additional tests. SBR agreed. No extra tests were conducted, but EasyStreetSports’ legal department issued this statement to SBR (the player’s name was included in the statement, and has been changed to “Player” below):

    EZ Street Sports has concluded our investigation of the following player complaint (Player)
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    Our rules are clearly posted on our website regarding our policy of the use of Artificial Intelligence ("AI Software") Robots:
    You are not allowed to use any software program which, in our opinion, is endowed with artificial intelligence ("AI Software") in connection with your use of the Service. We constantly review the use of the service in order to detect the use of AI Software and in the event that we deem it has been used we reserve the right to take any action we see fit, including immediately blocking access to the service to the offending user, terminating such user's account and seizing all monies held in such account.

    (Player) did indeed use artificial intelligence ("AI Software") Robot in violation of the above rule.

    In our investigation we have also uncovered that (Player) had also perpetrated fraud in over 22 other online gaming companies with over 34 various accounts over the last three years. This fraud included but was not limited to fraudulent charge-backs as well as software manipulation.

    In our attempt to resolve this dispute (Player) said that he would come to Costa Rica and duplicate the sessions in question. When we not only agreed to this offer but also offered to fly (Player) to Costa Rica and pay ALL of his expenses including hotel. He DECLINED. (Player) was than given the opportunity to pass a simple polygraph test and he would be paid in full. He again DECLINED. Obviously as concluded (Player) used Artificial Intelligence – ("AI Software") Robot and either offer if accepted by (Player) would expose the truth of his fraudulent activities.
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    EasystreetSports’ response was a shotgun tactic: fire several shots, and see if something hits. Its response offered nothing new that was relevant, and simply repeated its earlier unsupported accusations.

    Post Resolution

    There was much discussion about the player’s history both before and after the statement. The player admits he has charged back deposits at other sportsbooks. This history would be very relevant if EasyStreetSports were accusing the player of intending to ********** if he lost. However, the sportsbook admitted that this was not a possibility. The player had numerous successful cash deposits with EasyStreetSports from January 15, 2011 to February 20, 2011. The most recent deposit was via ** that had already been collected. As EasyStreetSports was not at risk of ********** from this player, the player’s ********** history does not provide a reason for the sportsbook to keep the player’s winnings.

    There were some additional discussions after this point. While the player had no obligation to do so, the player and SBR made a proposal that would verify that the player was not using a bot. The following suggestion was made:
    1. EasyStreetSports would provide game logs (which it had already offered to do, but never did). The logs would be reviewed to confirm the player’s speed, accuracy, and EasyStreetSports’ other allegations.
    2. The player would present himself at either SBR offices in Costa Rica, or at the DGS offices. He would play at a similar pace and duration as shown in the player logs.
    3. Prior to the player session, EasyStreetSports would put the disputed winnings in escrow with a third party, such as Bookmaker.com. If the player duplicated his speed and accuracy, the funds would be released to the player.

    EasyStreetsports rejected the proposal. Its proposal was similar, with two changes. It demanded that the player to submit to a polygraph test, and it wanted the money kept in escrow with another gambling forum with which it advertises, instead of a neutral third party.

    SBR recommended that the player reject this proposal, and the player did. Itwas bad enough that a sportsbook demanded that a player fly to Costa Rica to prove his innocence, when the sportsbook has failed to produce any evidence of wrongdoing. It would set a very bad precedent if a sportsbook could demand that any player submit to a polygraph test before receiving a payout.

    Polygraph testing is a very unproven science. The 1998 U.S. Supreme Court case United States v. Scheffer noted that “There is simply no consensus that polygraph evidence is reliable.” This test is especially dangerous when conducted on an innocent person. A “false positive” occurs when the test reports a truthful person as being deceptive. While there is no clear consensus as to how often this happens, there are some estimates. Former Attorney General John Ashcroft estimated the false-positive rate of polygraphs at 15%. The ieee Spectrum (a technology journal) noted that the overall false positive rate might be as high as 30%. These rates can increase or decrease, based on how the tester conducts the test, and what threshold is used to measure truthfulness.

    EasyStreetSports conditioned payment to the player on him first “passing” a polygraph test on his play. If the player is did nothing wrong, he still faces a substantial chance of failing the test and not getting paid. EasyStreetSports’ demand of this term is unreasonable, especially in light of its total failure to offer any evidence of player wrongdoing. If this were allowed, all sportsbooks would demand polygraph tests from all big winners, and expect to save 1/3rd to 1/6th of their larger payouts when innocent players fail.

    As a side note, EasyStreetSports made many accusations against the player. Most of these were not investigated, because they had no bearing on the case. Regardless of the player’s history, he did nothing wrong in this dispute, and is owed his $46,000 stolen from him. When SBR still recommended paying the player after the sportsbook’s statement, the sportsbook stated that it never agreed to SBR mediation. It also requested that we no longer communicate with them.

    Conclusion

    The player fairly won $46,000 from the sportsbook. EasyStreetSports refused to pay the player, and failed to offer any credible evidence that the player broke their rules. As EasyStreetSports has no right to the money it kept, its conduct constitutes theft.

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    Part of the gamelogs were recently posted at TheRx. They did not include the cards dealt, so it was impossible to consider the player's accuracy from this.

    The logs suggest that the player was playing at a pace of around 18 hands per minute, which was never disputed. The timing of the hands varies a lot though. Most hands take 3-4 seconds, but some take 2, and some take 6-7 seconds. Finally, the log shows that the player would stop playing within a few hands after his royal. EZ omitted this detail.

    I cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone looking at the timing of that game log could conclude that those games were played by a bot.

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    Justin,
    Do players have any legal recourse in Costa Rica, or is just the threat to public reputation that keeps CR books from stealing? Seems like players are at a strong disadvantage to any book who wants to roll someone.

    Thanks,
    JoeV
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    Excellent work, Justin. The release of those play logs debunked all of EZ Streets bot accusations. I hope EZStreet does the right thing here.

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    I have no sympathy for either party here. I was actually considering playing at EasyStreet because of the positive feedback to date until this incident. There is no chance I would try them now. As for the player, you ********** to other online books, what goes around comes around. People like you is why I have to jump through hoops to deposit and withdrawal. Tough luck, moron. You deserve what ya got - nothing.

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    EZ street are so stupid. I see alot of poeple here who was ready to deposit money with EZ and finally dont becozz they read this story. they lost alot of customer and will send their reputation down. It was so more easy for them to just give the 46k and keep their reputation clean

    Message to EZ: Same if the guys really use a bot, same if you had see him with the bot. Same if you had 4758696 proof he used a bot. Its probably better for you to just paid him...Its just marketing 101.

    I was ready to deposit 500$ on your site one week ago. I didnt becozz i read this story. Im now with Pinnacles and SportInteraction. And im probable not the only one. How many poeple have read all the thread about this story? And how many month this story will follow you and make you lost customer like me ???

    im not saying cory is totally clean in this story. Just saying that you will be looser on the long term with this decision


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    the scumbag players chargebacks at other books in the past have nothing to do with easystreet sportsbook,they flat out stiffed the player,no excuses accepted

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    he probaly used a bot. but they cant prove it so they have to pay him. not hard to understand. but easy decision for good booky

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtneer1212 View Post
    I have no sympathy for either party here. I was actually considering playing at EasyStreet because of the positive feedback to date until this incident. There is no chance I would try them now. As for the player, you ********** to other online books, what goes around comes around. People like you is why I have to jump through hoops to deposit and withdrawal. Tough luck, moron. You deserve what ya got - nothing.
    There's no proof the player ever charged back other than the word of the RX who obviously have no credibility due to the various lies they spread about the player to protect their advertiser. Supposedly he's banned from all of these books, all of whom wish to remain anonymous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skrtelfan View Post
    There's no proof the player ever charged back other than the word of the RX who obviously have no credibility due to the various lies they spread about the player to protect their advertiser. Supposedly he's banned from all of these books, all of whom wish to remain anonymous.
    Read Justin's post again. He said the player admits to charging back to other books but never to EasyStreet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    When SBR still recommended paying the player after the sportsbook’s statement, the sportsbook stated that it never agreed to SBR mediation. It also requested that we no longer communicate with them.
    My favorite part. Bunch of cry-baby thieves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skrtelfan View Post
    There's no proof the player ever charged back other than the word of the RX who obviously have no credibility due to the various lies they spread about the player to protect their advertiser. Supposedly he's banned from all of these books, all of whom wish to remain anonymous.
    Loll dude please

    Its made alot of *false* for only one persone. it would be amazing if not only of these accusation if true.

    Just for make you a topic. If a guys is accusated 34 times of fraud and stiffing but never go in jail becozz not enough proof...do you will employ him for manage your money ?????

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    I agree with those that don't feel bad for either parties involved. I would be scared of going to Costa Rica if I had such a long scamming record. EZ would probably notify the other books he stiffed of when he was in town. He would deserve the beating and should get his winnings mugged from him.

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    Alex Powers strikes again!!! It isnt the first time nor will it be the last time.

    Justin...Im just curious of your opinion of this man....

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    Now SBR MUST downgrade them to "F" no D- Bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    Now SBR MUST downgrade them to "F" no D- Bullshit.
    They should be downgraded to where sportsbook.com is at the very best. D- or F would be sufficient...Plus there should be warnings put out against this dishonest outfit. Powers couldnt even keep this ship above water for a year before he started to pull his tricks at this joint. He's a scumbag and it looks like he'll never change. If anyone ever deposits 5 cents with this crooked shop, you oughta donate your brain to science to figure out where its wired wrong.

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    Looks like the player is in the right in this case. But I have no sympathy for him what so ever as his past charge back history indicates he have done his fair share of stiffing in the past. Karma's a bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    The timing of the hands varies a lot though. Most hands take 3-4 seconds, but some take 2, and some take 6-7 seconds. Finally, the log shows that the player would stop playing within a few hands after his royal. EZ omitted this detail.

    I cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone looking at the timing of that game log could conclude that those games were played by a bot.
    Quote Originally Posted by WVU View Post
    Excellent work, Justin. The release of those play logs debunked all of EZ Streets bot accusations. I hope EZStreet does the right thing here.
    EZMarvin overstated his case (or worse) before the facts came out. Player's a crook but didn't rob them.


    Quote Originally Posted by pokerplayer22 View Post
    Cory is definately not the most upstanding guy but in this case EZ needed to pay this 46k and Powers flat out stole his money. The man should be locked up in jail.
    All three of you.


    Edit: good coverage and work SBR and Justin.
    Last edited by heyman; 03-25-11 at 10:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyman View Post
    EZMarvin overstated his case (or worse) before the facts came out. Player's a crook but didn't rob them.




    All three of you.
    Im not perfect but I have never stolen a penny from anyone in my life....let alone 46k. Powers belongs behind bars. Damn crook!!!

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    glad the decision was finally made, now i'm never making a deposit to this scummy book. i always thought the site was shady from the start anyways. they would send me an email advertising for their site at least once a week trying to get my deposit and not to mention when you go to their site the front page font looks like it was done by a 12 year old using microsoft paint

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    I doubt Cory gets paid. How can he when the book is likely broke ?

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    I always appreciate Justin's work and reasoned thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skrtelfan View Post
    There's no proof the player ever charged back other than the word of the RX who obviously have no credibility due to the various lies they spread about the player to protect their advertiser. Supposedly he's banned from all of these books, all of whom wish to remain anonymous.
    You may want to re-read the section in Justin's findings where the player has admitted to chargebacks in the past with other books. What goes around comes around.

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    So after hitting a royal, he continued playing a few hands at fast speed and then paused? I would think anyone seeing royal would at least do a few fist pumps immediately. No? That is what I do when I hit a middle or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongturn View Post
    So after hitting a royal, he continued playing a few hands at fast speed and then paused? I would think anyone seeing royal would at least do a few fist pumps immediately. No? That is what I do when I hit a middle or something.
    I think he paused for 19 minutes after hitting one of the royals.

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    I am impressed by Justin's work. Comprehensive and well written. Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrongturn View Post
    So after hitting a royal, he continued playing a few hands at fast speed and then paused? I would think anyone seeing royal would at least do a few fist pumps immediately. No? That is what I do when I hit a middle or something.
    He was probably on the couch drinking beers and watching a game on tv when it happened and needed time to stop his auto-play thing.

    In the future he should try to find a 'bot' that can be programmed to play at various speed.

    This case just confirms the stupidity of most book/casino owners. When you offer a casino bonus, calculate the maximum ev the player can get from playing perfect strategy in the game with the highest payout percentage. In case this is positive, you should probably change your bonus offer or be prepared to take a loss on all the bonus hunters (and their friends, moms and dads and dogs) out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slash View Post
    I am impressed by Justin's work. Comprehensive and well written. Keep up the good work.
    Its just too bad that all of Justins hard work and the weight of SBR cant even get Alex Powers to change his ways and pay a winning player.

    I had a thought...If Powers is insistant upon stiffing yet another player because he feels the player is less than honest himself, why doesnt Powers do something right with the 46k he stole...like say donate it to the Red cross to help those less fortunate in Japan or maybe to help cancer research or maybe donate it to the make a wish foundation to make some kids dreams come true who dont have long to live. Powers....are you listening...If you must steal from yet another player then do something right once in your miserable disgraceful life!!!

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    pokerplayer, get a life dude

    You can do that....right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevex View Post
    pokerplayer, get a life dude

    You can do that....right?
    If I had 46k of dirty money, i donate it in a second. The entire company i work for is having a small % of 6 checks taken out for the Red Cross. It aint much but at least its something. Powers is sitting on 46k that isnt his. He's a known crook...Maybe just once, he can do something right in this world.

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    Ha...the 2 Powers' goons...One makes a post and the other one immediately nominates it...LOL

    So let me ask you this oh wise one....Do you think that SBR and Justin were wrong saying that player should be paid???

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    And you coming in here CONSTANTLY and bitching about "some guy named powers," is going to get you where in life?

    Really? Think about it....move on

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerplayer22 View Post
    Its just too bad that all of Justins hard work and the weight of SBR cant even get Alex Powers to change his ways and pay a winning player.

    I had a thought...If Powers is insistant upon stiffing yet another player because he feels the player is less than honest himself, why doesnt Powers do something right with the 46k he stole...like say donate it to the Red cross to help those less fortunate in Japan or maybe to help cancer research or maybe donate it to the make a wish foundation to make some kids dreams come true who dont have long to live. Powers....are you listening...If you must steal from yet another player then do something right once in your miserable disgraceful life!!!
    I cried during 5 min after read this

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevex View Post
    And you coming in here CONSTANTLY and bitching about "some guy named powers," is going to get you where in life?

    Really? Think about it....move on
    The problem is....He's right dude. and youre wrong.

    Just read the first post the thread retard
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    i dont care if he made 500 chargebacks because in this case he didnt and he did nothing wrong . i hate that shit they sportsbooks that is , that just take and take and when its time to give they just make up shit not to pay ....justin did a very good job on this i am impressed !!!

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