[jayfly]

Another gun debate that completely ignores the mental health crisis in America. Guns are not the problem, ignoring people with serious mental problems is.

Actually, BOTH of them are part of the problem, along with several other things

[tlk23]

Another gun debate that completely ignores the mental health crisis in America. Guns are not the problem, ignoring people with serious mental problems is.

Less than 5% of shootings are committed by people with a diagnosable mental illness

Some good information debunking that myth.

http://behavioralscientist.org/myth-...ass-shootings/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/
https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf....9781615371099
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...mass-shootings

[aliceinchains]

Shooters do their business at soft targets... can you name any shooters that do not? It is always a soft target. Shooters want a big body count... that is their primary driver (why who knows but that is what they want). Soft target shooter can calmly walk around and shoot unarmed people and reload, and keep going until the popo arrive... unless you are in a nightclub in Orlando - in that case you can continue to shoot for hours as the police are too fuking scared to enter the building.

dude...u sound like a really experienced shooter

[JIBBBY]

What are you packing jibbbers? Hopefully I never have to use it but my glock 21 is ready just in case.

.357 S&W Magnum snub nose revolver..

[Thor4140]

you are so dumb its astounding



trying to get guns turned in or taken from every American who owns one or more



good fukkin luck

Or maybe u are just a redneck clown who needs a gun by his side because u are a pussy. I have to worry about some asshole shooting me because a clown like u likes to shine your pistols every weekend.

[Auto Donk]

fuk guns, go buy something that will really impress the neighbors when you pull up after a full day of drinkin':

[Thor4140]

Most people actually do what they are told.

And whatever people say now, that's what they will do if a law comes into place.

I owned guns and regularly went hunting with my grandfather from about 10 years old. I used to walk around the streets with a 22 or air rifle and no one said boo to me as a kid. Everyone had guns here too. And I didn't think people would give them up.

But truth is, we the people really are quite sheep like as a group. Americans will give up their guns if a law says it and the govt pays them more the guns are worth like in Australia.

The only ones that dont will eventually receive scorn as criminals and we'll have forum threads full of hardline republicans saying they deserved to have been shot by police for owning that illegal gun, the same way we see them saying people who dont do what they are told get whats coming so often.

Sad truth, but that's really how bereft of real choice making ability the general public is. The majority do as told, most others get forced into social compliance and the rest are criminals. Enjoy your freedom of choice ;-)

i have speed bumps in my apartment complex. Just a pain in the ass to drive over about six or seven of them to get to my place. My girl complains all the time and i tell her it is because of that one asshole who wants to speed around the complex like it is a NASCAR track. JUst because of that clown we all have to be inconvenienced. Pretty much my thoughts on guns. A couple of assholes have ruined it for responsible owners so they all need to go.

[Auto Donk]

throw in one of these for the f'n weekend........

complain about my dog takin' a shit on your lawn?????

not so fast, jack!!!!!

[Thor4140]

Fair point and I agree

I come from that family that sits around the dinner table and says “Ya, the gov’t can come take my guns but they’ll have to get em one bullet at a time”

But gun control reform isn’t a Black and white issue, it’s not all guns or none and the fear of a slippery slope is just nra propaganda

The reality is these .223 ar-15 platform rifles were designed for military use and for war. The nra pushed and got em on the streets.

It’s not alll that different than the opioid epidemic, at the time everyone thought if we left prescribing practices up to physicians, they would make the right decisions. Decades later we’re dealing with a massive crisis, streets flood with oxy and heroin and we’re left to pick up the pieces of shattered lives and bury the rest

Same with guns. The nra is lumping ar15’s into the second amendment right and that in and of itself is a bullshit argument that again is propaganda. It wouldn’t hold up in the Supreme Court.

But we addressed the opioid epidemic ( key point, we actually addressed it). There was bipartisan support because people were dying. This push back against even having gun control debate is nauseating at best.

There is less oxy on the street now than there ever has been and it’s evident by the fact it’s selling for $1.00-$1.33/milligram, used to be like five bucks for an OxyContin 40milligram. They went to the source and held them accountable, then they started holding prescribing physicians accountable, they they started holding actual pharmacists accountable, and it’s working

But honestly the solution here is even easier, have the Republicans pass the bill banning these stupid fukking guns that were never meant to be in your hands or mine. And if it’s the republicans that pass the bill, they control the narrative and own the legislation

And they will never do it because they do what is best for their donors before anything for the county. You know that i know that but they spin shit and these imbeciles fall for it over and over.

[Auto Donk]

neighborhood association up your ass about mowing your f'n lawn?





what fukkin' lawn?!?!?!?!?!

[JIBBBY]

Or maybe u are just a redneck clown who needs a gun by his side because u are a pussy. I have to worry about some asshole shooting me because a clown like u likes to shine your pistols every weekend.

Taking guns away from the good guys and registered gun owners doesn't solve the problems with all the other millions of guns still being sold and circulating on the black market and in the hoods of America.. Illegal guns kill the most people just for the record... Gang bangers and career criminal don't register their guns....

How do solve that little problem Thor even with banning guns and or extreme legal gun control?

I don't see a fix to this other then making gun laws EXTREMELY stiff.. Such as if you are in possession of a non registered gun you get automatic life in prison.. That would make the thugs of the world think twice about packing that's for sure!!!

[Thor4140]

And here’s the real problem if you want to get down to nuts n bolts

You want you ar15’s and you pay the nra for membership

And the nra in return has their lobbyists go to dc with millions of dollars and stuffs wads of cash into republican pockets to vote against any sort of gun control measures, even the ones that we should be passing.

We all agree rocket launchers shouldn’t be a weapon that any citizen should have access to so everyone acknowledges there is a line in the sand

We also agree for the most part fully auto rifles shouldn’t be easy to access because of how dangerous they are, no other reason. That’s why they’re class 3, you pay a pretty penny for the privilege to own fully auto rifles and then you’re in multiple databases.

Fukk, start there. Lump these rifles in with fully auto rifles, at least start making harder for people to get.

We have a problem and it has to be addressed but right now republicans refuse to even consider addressing it because they’re getting so much money from nra lobbyists

Fukking disgusting

Can't just blame the republicans tho although they are the shitbags who control the narrative here but how in the fuking world the democrats can't shape an argument that probably has over 60 percent approval? Fuk these losers that are basically Trump supporters. Not all but most. Go out there and start shouting long and hard. This isn't a hard one to win but these assholes are so fuking timid you want to puke listening to them backing down.

[Auto Donk]

let's see, ban these "oh so deadly, scary .223 caliber guns that never should have been in our hands!!!!"

ok pussies, a small quiz:

which gun is deadlier/more dangerous:





or these:





go with the deer rifle if you have half a brain, which by the way you can buy a 20-round clip for..... it can drop an elephant, and is preferred for elk and moose in the states.....

the little plinkin' .223 cant drop shit, save perhaps a lowly coyote or two, and of course, light weight humans......

[Thor4140]

Taking guns away from the good guys and registered gun owners doesn't solve the problems of all the millions of guns still being sold on the black market and in the hoods of America.. Illegal guns kill the most people just for the record... Gang bangers and career criminal don't register their guns....

How do solve that little problem Thor even with banning guns and or extreme legal gun control?

I don't see a fix to this other then making gun laws EXTREMELY stiff.. Such as if you are in possession of a non registered gun you get automatic life in prison.. That would make the thugs of the world think twice about packing that's for sure!!!

i already told you how. Anyone caught with a gun gets a death sentence. This nonsense that only the bad guys will have them is a joke. Of course u let cops and security guys have them. Two guys rob a bank with guns u ever hear of a guy pulling his out to save the day? Very fuking rarely if never. So in fact the bad guys already have the guns and no customer had theirs. Just another spinning point u idiots fall for.

[Thor4140]

let's see, ban these "oh so deadly, scary .223 caliber guns that never should have been in our hands!!!!"

ok pussies, a small quiz:

which gun is deadlier/more dangerous:





or these:





go with the deer rifle if you have half a brain, which by the way you can buy a 20-round clip for..... it can drop an elephant, and is preferred for elk and moose in the states.....

the little plinkin' .223 cant drop shit, save perhaps a lowly coyote or two, and of course, light weight humans......

Donk i understand what u are saying but we have rape laws because a couple of shitbags want to rape woman. We wouldn't need these laws if people didn't rape woman. Sometimes u have to sacrific a little because of that one asshole. Can't use a bow instead of a gun? Someone told me u used to be the actor on Macgiver. U can figure out something else.

[JIBBBY]

i already told you how. Anyone caught with a gun gets a death sentence. This nonsense that only the bad guys will have them is a joke. Of course u let cops and security guys have them. Two guys rob a bank with guns u ever hear of a guy pulling his out to save the day? Very fuking rarely if never. So in fact the bad guys already have the guns and no customer had theirs. Just another spinning point u idiots fall for.

That's very harsh but that would stop gun violence in it's tracks.. I kinda like that idea... That's not realistic though...

Deer Hunting then would come to a stop.. Well hunters would then have to use bow and arrows..

[Auto Donk]

i already told you how. Anyone caught with a gun gets a death sentence. This nonsense that only the bad guys will have them is a joke. Of course u let cops and security guys have them. Two guys rob a bank with guns u ever hear of a guy pulling his out to save the day? Very fuking rarely if never. So in fact the bad guys already have the guns and no customer had theirs. Just another spinning point u idiots fall for.

in the reccent texas shooting, a guy grabbed his deer rifle and headed over to the church being shot up, shot at the coward, stopped his killing (which but for the arrival of the guy with said deer rifle, would have contd on unabated), the coward flees, only to be chased by the guy with the deer rifle and blown away, crashing after having bled out from the wound from the deer rifle.....

[Auto Donk]

Donk i understand what u are saying but we have rape laws because a couple of shitbags want to rape woman. We wouldn't need these laws if people didn't rape woman. Sometimes u have to sacrific a little because of that one asshole. Can't use a bow instead of a gun? Someone told me u used to be the actor on Macgiver. U can figure out something else.

we have murder laws b/c a couple shitheads wanted to kill people....

if the little bitty death penalty laws prohibiting murder don't stop a guy from shooting kids, do you think a ferocious "no gun" law would stop a guy from getting his hands on one illegally and shooting up a school?

where there's a will, there's a way......

they're called criminals for a reason.... THEY DON'T OBEY THE F'N LAW...... not murder laws, not rape laws, not f'n gun laws

[Auto Donk]

ps.... i'll just cram a fifty caliber musket ball up my junk, crank up porn hub in my deer blind, and "blast off" down a sendero when a buck comes out if I have to......

either that or use my crank like a machete or club and club a good buck to death with it, or trip him coming down a trail and then pummel him to death with a rock

[Auto Donk]

victims of gun violence from atop my armoire in my man cave:

[redeye1]

The same amount. By the time someone reacts to the guy, the damage would have been done.

BS! He never would have went there in the first place!

[Auto Donk]

i will say this, this tannerite shit and eliminating hogs in texas is almost getting out of hand....... I used to just run down herds of em in my huntin' wagon.....

now, rednecks are resorting to this tactic (watch the one hog go completely f'n airborne):

[SharpAngles]

[redeye1]

let's see, ban these "oh so deadly, scary .223 caliber guns that never should have been in our hands!!!!"

ok pussies, a small quiz:

which gun is deadlier/more dangerous:





or these:





go with the deer rifle if you have half a brain, which by the way you can buy a 20-round clip for..... it can drop an elephant, and is preferred for elk and moose in the states.....

the little plinkin' .223 cant drop shit, save perhaps a lowly coyote or two, and of course, light weight humans......

well said! A .308 semi auot has a bullet twice the size of a 223 with much more range and knockdown power. The 223(AR15) just has a military style frame while the 308 does not so people are afraid of the AR15. Stupid ignorant people

[Auto Donk]

talk about crazy... cops need to use this tannerite shit around crack houses....

or just dump a bunch of meth on a sidewalk, wait for rthe methheads to move in, and then:

[redeye1]

Guards DO NOT carry guns in most prisons. You might find sharp shooters on the perimeter but no one carries inside. My point is not about other ways people kill but that guns are not allowed in prison and wouldn't you know it? No one get's killed by guns in prison. That totally shoots down the notion that the answer to guns is more guns.

You obviously dont know WHY they dont carry guns inside a prison do you/ Because if a guard is attacked and his gun is taken from him it can be used by the inmates. That is why guys on the outside have the guns where inmates cant get to them. They can shoot from afar where there is no chance of the weapon being taken by inmates. do some research

[Auto Donk]

You obviously dont know WHY they dont carry guns inside a prison do you/ Because if a guard is attacked and his gun is taken from him it can be used by the inmates. That is why guys on the outside have the guns where inmates cant get to them. They can shoot from afar where there is no chance of the weapon being taken by inmates. do some research

exactly.....

[redeye1]

And here’s the real problem if you want to get down to nuts n bolts


You want you ar15’s and you pay the nra for membership

And the nra in return has their lobbyists go to dc with millions of dollars and stuffs wads of cash into republican pockets to vote against any sort of gun control measures, even the ones that we should be passing.

We all agree rocket launchers shouldn’t be a weapon that any citizen should have access to so everyone acknowledges there is a line in the sand

We also agree for the most part fully auto rifles shouldn’t be easy to access because of how dangerous they are, no other reason. That’s why they’re class 3, you pay a pretty penny for the privilege to own fully auto rifles and then you’re in multiple databases.

Fukk, start there. Lump these rifles in with fully auto rifles, at least start making harder for people to get.

We have a problem and it has to be addressed but right now republicans refuse to even consider addressing it because they’re getting so much money from nra lobbyists

Fukking disgusting

Aside from your political rant, if you knew anything about guns you would know that most pistols are semi automatics as well as most big caliber hunting rifles so if you were to say that banning all semiautomatics should be the law it would make sense but you focus on the AR15 because it looks real scary is dumb shit! It shooots a 55 grain or 68 grain bullet which is tiny. A good gun for coyotes but nothing bigger. I can shoot deer with my 44 mag much more effectively. Bigger bullet and more knockdown power. Just because the AR15 is a miltary framed gun it doesnt mean its more lethal than other guns. If mass shooters were smart, (which they are not thank God) they would chose something like a 308 or an AK which can drop almost anything that walks the earth! Again, try doing some research

[Axman3000]

Can't add much that hasn't been said but I do find a few interesting observations pop up every time there is a shooting.

1. Rifles don't kill nearly as many people as handguns do but the focus from the left is always on rifles

2. Those against people legally carrying guns into schools and other public places tend to assume that they are going to start aimlessly shooting everywhere without taking into account the situation.

3. A gun isn't a missile and you can't use a missile without doing harm to unintended people. Owning a gun doesn't automatically give you the right to own other weapons.

4. There are a LOT of guns in places like Israel and they have little gun violence and most of the violence is by bombs.

5. Gun rights have nothing to to with "what I need to hunt with".

6. We are told that other countries do it this way assuming what other countries do is right. If 100 people are in a room and they all say that the sky is green and you are the only person in the room that says the sky is blue that does not make the sky green.

[PAULYPOKER]

Every single American needs to get a gun.....


Then go directly to the white house and drain the swamp............

[Grits n' Gravy]

dude...u sound like a really experienced shooter

He won't respond because the premise of his argument was debunked in less than 10 seconds.

[Grits n' Gravy]

i already told you how. Anyone caught with a gun gets a death sentence. This nonsense that only the bad guys will have them is a joke. Of course u let cops and security guys have them. Two guys rob a bank with guns u ever hear of a guy pulling his out to save the day? Very fuking rarely if never. So in fact the bad guys already have the guns and no customer had theirs. Just another spinning point u idiots fall for.

I understand the concept you are providing but do you really trust law enforcement to not take advantage of no armed citizens? The bad ones will continue to commit crimes against the people they are supposed to protect and serve. Guns will be planted at even more crime scenes to try and cover up the murders committed by bad cops.

Guns aren't going anywhere so the conversation and actions to stop these mass shootings needs to look elsewhere for solutions.

[JIBBBY]

Raise your kids up the right way and keep an eye on them..

The Parents of this shooter should be held responsible as well.. Parents produced this killer.. No one ever talks about that....

[Auto Donk]

Every single American needs to get a gun.....


Then go directly to the white house and drain the swamp............

i wanna get my hands on these bad boys.... hunting season is right around the corner.....





of course, I'll have to keep the prarie view a&m students off the ranch.....

[Auto Donk]

Raise your kids up the right way and keep an eye on them..

The Parents of this shooter should be held responsible as well.. Parents produced this killer.. No one ever talks about that....

real parents not around, he was adopted, and those parents died too


guy had been kicked out of school, only parents he ever knew were dead, he was essentially homeless, and pissed at the school that booted him (as almost all students kicked out of school are).....