[slacker00]

I come from a long line of fighters. My maternal grandfather was the toughest guy I ever knew. World War Two veteran killed twenty men and spent the rest of the war in an Allied prison camp. My father battled blood pressure and obesity all his life. Different kind of fight.

[hoopster42]

bettors in general, are sad ppl, in the real sense of the word 'sad', like unhappy

[daggerkobe]

I don't know what your point is, but I don't deliver pizzas.

Is that so?

Maybe this will jog your memory:
http://tipthepizzaguy.com/discussion...um=11637&ip=87

I've owned 3 homes and am currently paying a mortgage now. Within a square mile of my house (good neighborhood all around), you could buy homes ranging in price from $35,000 to over a million dollars. There are decent affordable houses around for even low income people.

Median home price in 2004 was around $222,000. Monthly payment wouldve been around $1400/month. You must live in a mobile trailer park if you're paying $600/month.

Don't know what you are referring to.

Not surprised. You seem like a complete dope.

The shakedown of the banks to make loans they normally wouldn't make was most definitely a very significant factor in the crisis.

Good thing Dumbya saw the mortgage meltdown coming and put a stop to risky lending by passing The Downpayment Initiative.

Pelosi is just a hypocritical oyster. She was all for attacking Iraq when it was being done to shield the peccadillos of Bill Clinton. She has one of the most Commie districts in the Nation, so of course she will vote against it when its Bush's war.

Yeah what a bitch. Shouldve just blindly believed all the lies Dumbya told her even tho the CIA told him they were all untrue and forged.

YOU are cluless. First of all, 7 billion is a drop in the bucket when looking at the overall mortgage crisis. Second, I can guarantee you, the average price of homes purchased under the program was WAY less than 250 grand. Third, you actually think every single home purchase under the program ended in default? How ridiculous is that? Fourth you assume that buyers under the program didn't have to present documentation that they were credit worthy. That's simply not the case

Yeah what's $7 Billion...... that's enough to buy just 6 NFL franchises.

You dont have to tell banks twice. I mean what lender wouldnt want poor minorities that cant even come up with their own downpayments. Banks fight over them and offer their prime rates to them because they are so desirable as borrowers.

[porterkid69]

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[slacker00]

Before I do anything I ask myself “Would an idiot do that?” And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing.

[Sam Odom]

People , you wont believe this this 'Liberal' could not enjoy a night out at the Movies during the holidays without being angry/sad. This is a post taken off of a Liberal website. These folks are mental cases

[Sam Odom]

Now , go back and read the 1st post in this thread. I bet many of you thought I was lying These people are strange

[RPP]

you are insane.

There is nothing you just said that is remotely close to accurate but sadly you believe it to be true. Most crazy people don't realize they are nuts. Your "Thank god for Obama!" comment only proves my point.

you are HOPEless

1,119
Days Until Barack Obama is Out of Office

Your sadly mistaken if you think he only has 1,119 days left. He is a LOCK for reelection.

My President is black.

[Dogbite]

fuc k all liberals, u better hope we dont end up fighting each other , remember history repeats itself, and I guarantee you the conservatives will kick your ASS

The liberal, anti-slave, tolerant North won the Civil War. The conservative, pro-slavery, KKK-loving, fundamentalist wacko South lost the Civil War.

If history repeats itself, we already know what will happen. That is, all except nosniboR11.

[andywend]

The liberals of 1865 were far more conservative than even the republicans of today.

EVERYONE did their fair share of the work and there was no such thing as a social handout.

The liberals of today are ABSOLUTELY USELESS. They are GUTLESS, SPINELESS JELLYFISH.

They truly are a CANCER to the United States of America.

[slacker00]

The liberals of 1865 were far more conservative than even the republicans of today.

Social progress has come a long way in 150 years.

EVERYONE did their fair share of the work and there was no such thing as a social handout.

There was no such thing as social infrastructure at the time. Again, we've come a long way in 150 years.

As far as "fair", that's a loaded word which is meaningless in an objective discussion. To discuss "fair", people must first agree about what "fair" means. Otherwise, we are simply begging the question regarding the entire context.

The liberals of today are ABSOLUTELY USELESS. They are GUTLESS, SPINELESS JELLYFISH.

They truly are a CANCER to the United States of America.

ok...

[DwightShrute]

The liberals of 1865 were far more conservative than even the republicans of today.

EVERYONE did their fair share of the work and there was no such thing as a social handout.

The liberals of today are ABSOLUTELY USELESS. They are GUTLESS, SPINELESS JELLYFISH.

They truly are a CANCER to the United States of America.

Being a conservative, I will agree but have to add, ..... even the Republicans nowadays aren't much better. If at all.

[losturmarbles]

more like social decline has come a long way in 150 years.

do you think this country has thrived economically because of social welfare or in spite of it?


on a different note, addressing the OP: what is liberal? what is conservative? why is one exclusive to the other? why do these terms mean what you want them to mean, instead of what they actually mean?

[DwightShrute]

Your sadly mistaken if you think he only has 1,119 days left. He is a LOCK for reelection.

My President is black.

I don't care what color he is and neither should you.

He is a disaster so far and I don't see him changing his socialist agenda that is literally destroying all that makes the USA so great. Get ready for the tax increases and more failed policies.

But hey, he is liked by rest of the world now. Yippie!!!

My President is black a miserable failure

1,115
Days Until Barack Obama is Out of Office

[slacker00]

more like social decline has come a long way in 150 years.

do you think this country has thrived economically because of social welfare or in spite of it?

We have a thriving Amish community near where I live, I'm sure they would take you if you'd prefer their type of community.

[losturmarbles]

We have a thriving Amish community near where I live, I'm sure they would take you if you'd prefer their type of community.

wtf does amish people have to do with social welfare?

thanks for being responsive to the original question btw.

[slacker00]

wtf does amish people have to do with social welfare?

thanks for being responsive to the original question btw.

Amish live the same way that the U.S. existed 150 years ago.

You seem to suggest that this would be a more socially evolved way of life.

[losturmarbles]

Amish live the same way that the U.S. existed 150 years ago.

You seem to suggest that this would be a more socially evolved way of life.

no, the only thing i suggested was that social welfare isn't progress.

150 years ago if you made poor and lazy choices in life, you suffered the consequences. today if you make poor and lazy choices in life, you get rewarded.

poverty has become a mental disease.

[slacker00]

no, the only thing i suggested was that social welfare isn't progress.

150 years ago if you made poor and lazy choices in life, you suffered the consequences. today if you make poor and lazy choices in life, you get rewarded.

poverty has become a mental disease.

So you want to mandate suffering?

Suffering = progress?

[losturmarbles]

no it's called freedom. you are free to be a drunk, a junkie, or a lazy bum. but you're not free to use the police power of government to steal from someone else to subsidize your bad decisions.

encouraging self reliance and not government dependency?? yeah, that's progress.

[slacker00]

no it's called freedom. you are free to be a drunk, a junkie, or a lazy bum. but you're not free to use the police power of government to steal from someone else to subsidize your bad decisions.

encouraging self reliance and not government dependency?? yeah, that's progress.

So, the drunks, junkies and bums are using the police to steal from you? Let me guess, aliens are stealing your brainwaves as well? What color is the sky in your world?

Self reliance? I don't know anyone who doesn't rely on the infrastructure of society.

[bpw6]

This is good stuff and I could have told you this... Republicans are generous and believe in helping the homeless HELP THEMSELVES. Liberals want handouts..

I you give a person a fish you feed them for a day and if you teach them HOW to fish you feed them for a lifetime.

Republicans believe they know what is best for THEIR community and family, liberals think the government knows whats best for their community and family.

More than anything, christians are taught to take care of their fellow man, and support each other. When the government hemerages handouts, this does not encourage someone to make success for themself

Interesting

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We assume the rich give more than the middle class, the middle class more than the poor. I've heard liberals care more about the less fortunate, so we assume they give more than conservatives do. Are these assumptions truth, or myth?...

It turns out that this idea that liberals give more…is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election.
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http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

[bpw6]

LOL

[bpw6]

LOL and the government would run the NFL and hire all of the coaches

Got to love great aunts!

I can't see how you can be a liberal and a sports fan at the same time. A Dream liberal NFL Season would have every team finish at 8-8 and every team get a trophy and every player would receive a first place participation ribbon.

[bpw6]

haha They are so unconcerned with national security and they woud rather cry about torture of TERRORISTS and worry about their constituational rights and even Bringing them into OUR COUNTRY, while the same crazy ass people blow everything up, try to hijack planes and etc..

The lacidasical attitude is going to f\*\*k us if it keeps up, but i may just be in canada lol

exactly!

they LOVE to dis sarah palin but i'd LOVE to see the look on there faces when they see her coming down the street with a fukin HUGE BAZOOKA strapped and BLASTING AWAY with an army of fukin RIGHT-WING SOLDIERS backing her up ALSO BLASTING AWAY

game over for pussies

[bpw6]

What is wrong with you? You have been brainwashed by the liberal media and nothing you mentioned is true. Your argument is porous and full of holes.

Further more wtf is a neozombie? At least come up with better names for people

Has anyone met a bigger moron than andy the wacko?

This brainwashed idiot blames the Democrats for every problem yet cant name a single thing they did wrong. This neozombie claimed the Democrats repealed the Car Tax in California yet has been unable to prove it. Maybe because FACTS are Ahnuld repealed it with a simple signature on the Executive Order. The racist then blames the illegals yet IRS says 6 million illegals file income tax returns and Congressional Budget Office says 75% of them pay federal, state and local taxes! They contribute $7 Billion to Social Security each year! And of course in typical andy the wacko response, the idiot ignores these facts to rant about the illegals some more.

andy the wacko further proves his ignorance by blaming the Democrats for the mortgage meltdown. When asked why Dumbya passed The Downpayment Initiative which gave hundreds of millions to the poor to help them buy homes, he had no answer and completely ignored it.

It's no wonder why this idiot spends 24/7 talking politics on a sports forum..... probably got laughed out of every political forum on the net. He's obviously not here to talk sports as he only bets 3 team parlays and live in-game like a clueless fuk that he is.

We all saw what neonitwits are capable of between 2001-2008......

1) Ignoring al Qaeda threats..... Dumbya was repeatedly warned about hijacking yet he went golfing and month long vacations. 911 Commission found that Dumbya had the proverbial "Blue Print" to al Qaeda's plans and did nothing to stop it.

2) Ignored repeated warnings from Fannie Mae & HUD regulators about the impending mortgage crisis. Dumbya even fired the chief regulator who published his warnings. He also allowed SEC to deregulate banks allowing them to take on massive subprime debt which ultimately led to their demise.

3) Invaded Iraq on falsified evidence. Dumbya had plans back in 1999 to invade according to his own biographer. This wasnt about 9-11 or freedom, it was about a draft dodger playing mas macho in the comfort & safety of the White House against an unarmed opponent. This wet dream of his cost Americans $1 Trillion and 4300 US soldiers their lives.

4) Manipulated gas prices to as high as $5/gal. I love how neo-zombies claim Dumbya lowered taxes, but then what do you call paying 3X at the pump????????? His buddies at the oil companies made record profits and thus paid higher taxes, which directly went to pay for the war.

There are many many more ways you neonitwits nearly destroyed not just America but the entire world. Thank god for Obama!

[bpw6]

Wow, dagger knows how to copy and paste

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm...ortgage_crisis

The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has conceded that self-regulation of investment banks contributed to the crisis. The SEC relaxed rules in 2004 that enabled investment banks to substantially increase the level of debt they were taking on, fueling the growth in mortgage-backed securities supporting subprime mortgages.[7][8]

The top five US investment banks each significantly increased their financial leverage during the 2004–2007 time period (see diagram), which increased their vulnerability to the MBS losses. These five institutions reported over $4.1 trillion in debt for fiscal year 2007, a figure roughly 30% the size of the U.S. economy. Three of the five either went bankrupt (Lehman Brothers) or were sold at fire-sale prices to other banks (Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch) during 2008, creating instability in the global financial system. The remaining two converted to commercial bank models in order to qualify for Troubled Asset Relief Program funds (Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley).[9]

The SEC is also responsible for establishing financial disclosure rules. Critics have argued that disclosure throughout the crisis was ineffective, particularly regarding the health of financial institutions and the valuation of mortgage-backed securities.[10][11]

President Bush advocated the "Ownership society." According to the New York Times, "he pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among minorities, an initiative that dovetailed with his ambition to expand the Republican tent — and with the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards." He insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (the GSE) meet low-income housing goals and advocated government loans to help low-income homeowners make down-payments. The Bush administration also replaced Fannie and Freddie's chief regulator in 2003 immediately after the regulator published a report warning of the risks posed by the GSE.[68]

[daggerkobe]

That's correct.

I copy/paste FACTS from CREDIBLE SOURCES... which makes it impossible for you neo-zombies to DISPUTE other than your usual feable "liberal media" retort.

I leave the chain emails and blogs to neo-nitwits.

[DwightShrute]

That's correct.

I copy/paste FACTS from CREDIBLE SOURCES... which makes it impossible for you neo-zombies to DISPUTE other than your usual feable "liberal media" retort.

I leave the chain emails and blogs to neo-nitwits.

actually, no you don't.

Have a happy new year

[losturmarbles]

So, the drunks, junkies and bums are using the police to steal from you? Let me guess, aliens are stealing your brainwaves as well? What color is the sky in your world?

Self reliance? I don't know anyone who doesn't rely on the infrastructure of society.

so now you're saying socialists don't favor redistribution of wealth? for someone that was quick to point out a straw man fallacy (while ignoring all the previous ones you agreed with), you sure have your own arsenal of fallacious arguments.

so wtf is "the infrastructure of society"? and don't confuse "rely on" with participating in.

[jjgold]

Most loudmouths are usually sexually frustrated or some other frustration in life and actually do not help the people in need.

[Cappy]

I am sad

[slacker00]

so now you're saying socialists don't favor redistribution of wealth? for someone that was quick to point out a straw man fallacy (while ignoring all the previous ones you agreed with), you sure have your own arsenal of fallacious arguments.

so wtf is "the infrastructure of society"? and don't confuse "rely on" with participating in.

Let's stop right here so you can point out one of my fallacious arguments.

[losturmarbles]

Let's stop right here so you can point out one of my fallacious arguments.

yeah let's stop right here since you have no interest in having a discourse on social welfare, but rather divert from one irrational thought to the next.

everyone of your posts failed to argue a point.

1. bad analogy (amish)
2. continued misrepresentation of my position. i.e. straw-man (mandates, police stealing)
3. mocking, i.e. appeal to ridicule (aliens, sky)
4. illogical reasoning (participating in society = relying on government)

[DrStale]